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Posted by adi on September 23, 1996 at 17:25:46:
i'm from Israel and i've just descover this site. i just want to say :
Y O U A R E S O R I G H T ! ! !
(especially in the last part.....)
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Posted by Lorraine on September 23, 1996 at 17:38:08:
: Any other contributions?
: Cheryl
- When anyone mentions that they've watched P&P, you want to
know their opinions, and get annoyed if they think it was
"just another TV show" rather than "an event!"
Posted by Mich on September 23, 1996 at 18:43:35:
It's like you know me... here's a couple
1. They just don't make VCR's like they use to. After countless
viewings of P&P and Persuasion you and the VCR repair man are on first name basis.
He really wonders what you do with them and why you can't be without it for more than a couple days.
2. Your ideal man sees more like Dracy everyday.
3. Even though you have a copy on tape, when A&E rebroadcast it you watched again.
: Hello, my name is Cheryl and I am a P&P2 addict (Hi Cheryl!)
: Amy suggested starting a list of "Signs of Addiction to P&P2" and I shall get the ball rolling by listing some already mentioned, adding some of my own and inviting you to add to the list.
: 1. You view alone, and in secret, taking special care to hide knowledge of this from your family.
: 2. You have become a P&P2 "Pusher" foisting video taped copies onto unsuspecting friends.
: 3. You tend not to use contractions in speech and writing.
: 4. Friends comment upon your improved posture.
: 5. As you watch the video, you recite dialogue along with characters.
: 6. You now know how to dance the Sarabande to Mr. Beveridge's Maggot with no prior lessons.
: 7. You begin to smile in anticipation before Mr. Bennett even begins to speak.
: 8. You know what lies around every corner at Pemberly.
: 9. You know the VCR counter numbers and can accurately fast forward to your favorite scenes.
: Any other contributions?
: Cheryl
: PS. Think of all our poor sisters out there who do not have access to this support group. How they must suffer believing themselves to be alone in their addiction! If only there were a way to reach them!
Posted by Mich on September 23, 1996 at 19:09:25:
Hi All,
Has anyone read any of the sequels to P&P?
Are they as bad as I've heard? Sorry if you've already covered this.
I know one was Presumption by Julie Barrett.
I forgotten the other anyone remeber?
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Posted by Marie on September 23, 1996 at 19:18:47:
: I thought Mrs. Weston is Miss Taylor???
: Ann
Mrs. Weston is Miss Taylor's ("Poor Miss Taylor") maiden name. Did you mean Mrs. Weston and Mr. Knightly?
Posted by Marie on September 23, 1996 at 19:28:34:
I agree completely. When I first saw P&P1 I thought poor David Rintoul had diaper rash. My sister says he looks as if he had lockjaw! Fortunately Darcy has a much smaller role in P&P1, so he doesn't do as much damage as he might.
: Regarding your comments of today about P&P1. I, too, have come late and missed the comparison with the forrmer. I concur with your characterizations, but must include that rarely have I seen a more wooden actor, and perhaps, countenance of Mr. Darcy as on P&P1.
Posted by Marie on September 23, 1996 at 19:33:16:
Sorry, my sister and niece have my copy. Have you tried your local public library? If they do not own it they may be able to get it from another branch for you, or get it on interlibrary loan. I understand your reluctance to buy a set sight unseen, but if you have a MediaPlay in your vicinity you could get it for $19.99, as we did.
: If I could borrow P&P1. How much would it cost to ship or mail.
: I swear I would return it. I am off to a football game let me know.
: I would love to be able to buy but I just order MAKING OF P&P2.
: Can't do right now.
: Donna
Posted by Marie on September 23, 1996 at 19:43:50:
Enjoyed your comments contrasting JA's novels with conventional romances. In addition, though, I think JA has survived because she not only writes so well, but is so witty and pokes such gentle fun at her characters. Speaking of her writing, it is really eye-opening to read some of her sentences carefully. One does not immediately realize how intricate they are because they are so very clear.
Posted by Louella on September 23, 1996 at 19:57:14:
: This won't help with Persuasion but here are some number I found very helpful in my search for different versions of P&P.
: You will be able to find an old version of Persuasion.
: BBC 1-800-216-1222
: BBC Direct 1-212-705-9487 Fax 1-212-705-9344 PBS Cust Serv 1-800-531-4727
: Signals 1-800-669-9691
: 1-800-669-5225
: Video finder
: 1-800-343-4727
: : :
: : : : : : I thought some wrote that they wanted to buy Persuasion.
: : : : : : I bought it for $20.99. I know it is for rent but it isn't
: : : : : : for sale yet.
: : : : : I posted this once before but Persuasion is going to be on PBS this season
: : : : : Natalie
: : : .
: : : I would like to buy Persuasion! Where did you get it for $20.99?? I was told that Sense and Sensibility was $99, and it, too, was released this past year. How could someone sell Persuasion so cheaply? Anyway, I want it!
: : : Tommye
: :
: : Look at Message PERSUASION JAMES DAWES IS A GOOD INFO PAGE
: : he gave me his card said if I wanted any more to call.
: : Donna,
: : P.S. let us know what happens.
There are versions of Persuasion on Video--a 1989 Bbc release
on 2 tapes, a little under 4 hours and the 90's version under
2 hours. Both have their strong points. The public library
in my small town has 4 Bbc double tape Jane Austin videos
for circulation--P&P, S&S, Persuasion & Mansfield Park. the
last being the least likeable, but has a "killer" performance
by the actress playing the rich aunt of Mansfield Park.
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Posted by Amy on September 23, 1996 at 20:06:34:
Would anyone care to summarize all this? No pay, tremendous satisfaction of helping other addicts for the first 70 hours each week.
Amy
Posted by Stefanie on September 23, 1996 at 20:07:43:
: Hi All,
: Has anyone read any of the sequels to P&P?
: Are they as bad as I've heard? Sorry if you've already covered this.
: I know one was Presumption by Julie Barrett.
: I forgotten the other anyone remeber?
There is a whole discussion on this subject towards the end of this page.
It is started by the link: Pemberley/Presumption.
Don't worry about it!
Stefanie
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Posted by Paula O on September 23, 1996 at 20:23:39:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-Paula O.
: 2) Occupation-English teacher
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-First A&E broadcast--Feb. '96
: 4) How did you find out about it?commercials and other teachers at school.
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?I've read the original novel and I wanted to see a faithful adaptation of the novel.
: 6) Have you read the original novel?Yes. I've also taught the novel. Students become very interested in the characters.
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?before and after. After seeing the movie, I wanted to read the novel again.
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)I enjoy Miss Bingley because she is so comical in her quest to become Mrs. Darcy. It is wonderful to see her snobbish plan in action. However, we know she won't be successful.
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence Darcy's first proposal to Elizabeth. The shocked look on his face is classic and so is her reproof.
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-Poor Mary's piano recital at the Netherfield Ball. I am so embarrassed for Mary because she thinks her singing and playing is so wonderful. Her display is also embarrassing for Elizabeth.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-Sense and Sensibility, Persuasion. I wanted to see Emma but the film has not arrived in my area.
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-I am obviously an avid reader. I am 22 years old and I have been married for six months. My husband hates literary adaptations, so I have to watch the films alone. Oh well!!! Our literary tastes are drastically different. He runs for the Science fiction section and I run to the Literary section. I would love to begin a correspondence with other English teachers or just Pride and Prejudice enthusiasts.
Posted by Tommye on September 23, 1996 at 20:59:03:
: I have seen the notes about the movie but I have never heard of
: it before. Can you fill me in? When was it made, who starred,
: and how do I get it? Thanks!!!!
I'll be happy to share a few thoughts with you, Lori.
Persuasion is another of Jane Austen's books, which was made into a movie in 94 or 95. The movie is around two hours, so a lot of the background & character development as well as some plot aspects in the book are omitted. The players are the same, however. There are similarities in all of Austen's works, I've found, but they are similarities which I welcome. Persuasion centers around a rather plain, forlorn 27 (?) year old woman (Ann) who lives with her very shallow, arrogant, self-involved (and deceived) father and sister. Her heart is broken from an event eight years past (I won't give it away). True to form, Austen lets us dangle, worry and stress out over plot developments and lack of desired resolution. Ultimately, however, I found this story most rewarding. I truly liked Ann, the protagonist, almost as much as I liked Lizzie in P&P. This movie, though, is very different (in filming methods??) in atmosphere and music, particularly. The characters are not as attractive as in P&P2, and I personally hated the intrusive piano playing. (Mind you, I LOVE the piano, but this piano was irksome to me.) Finally, though, I must say that after 5 or more viewings, I LOVE this movie (it's just very different from P&P2). If one can avoid any attempts at comparing the two productions, one can be fully satisfied with Persuasion. Of all the Austen characters in all her books, Captain Wentworth seems to be the most intense and, thus, in matters of love, to me the most attractive. Well, obviously I could say more (and more, being quite verbal) but hopefully I have left you with some idea about Persuasion. Our Blockbuster Video keeps a whopping one copy of the movie on the shelf. But, you might have noticed there has been discussion about being able to purchase it now.
Regards....Tommye
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Posted by Tommye on September 23, 1996 at 21:05:47:
: Hello, my name is Cheryl and I am a P&P2 addict (Hi Cheryl!)
: Amy suggested starting a list of "Signs of Addiction to P&P2" and I shall get the ball rolling by listing some already mentioned, adding some of my own and inviting you to add to the list.
: 1. You view alone, and in secret, taking special care to hide knowledge of this from your family.
: 2. You have become a P&P2 "Pusher" foisting video taped copies onto unsuspecting friends.
: 3. You tend not to use contractions in speech and writing.
: 4. Friends comment upon your improved posture.
: 5. As you watch the video, you recite dialogue along with characters.
: 6. You now know how to dance the Sarabande to Mr. Beveridge's Maggot with no prior lessons.
: 7. You begin to smile in anticipation before Mr. Bennett even begins to speak.
: 8. You know what lies around every corner at Pemberly.
: 9. You know the VCR counter numbers and can accurately fast forward to your favorite scenes.
: Any other contributions?
: Cheryl
: PS. Think of all our poor sisters out there who do not have access to this support group. How they must suffer believing themselves to be alone in their addiction! If only there were a way to reach them!
How about this?
: You no longer have interest in non-Austen t.v. or movie entries.
: You take offense if someone says, "Austen, WHO?" or "What is Pride and Prejudice?"
: Every part of your day is rushed through so you can return to P&P and, (sigh), smile again.
Regards, Tommye
Posted by Amy on September 23, 1996 at 21:12:36:
: That's a great picture! Where does it come from?
It's a B&W publicity shot from P&P. Original can be found on the Friends of Firth page. I embossed it and threw some type over it. Henry now has it as one of the illustrations for the P&P hypertext as a counterpoint to the Brock drawings. At the Assembly Rooms Darcy is shown with a pot belly. That was the Victorian ideal of an attractive guy? I don't get it.
Amy
Link:
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Posted by Lilian on September 23, 1996 at 21:47:15:
I've read "Pemberley" by Emma Tennent which is good although
there were some holes in it. Basically it is up to the individual
but personally I think Darcy on page cannot act silly and soppy
like what Emma Tennent did.
Posted by 486888 on September 23, 1996 at 21:58:14:
:
: i'm from Israel and i've just descover this site. i just want to say :
: Y O U A R E S O R I G H T ! ! !
:
: (especially in the last part.....)
Posted by Lilian on September 23, 1996 at 22:01:34:
Just a little question here...
Are you in America? In Australia the show is 55 minutes per
episode and there are no commercial breaks. (it was shown
on the ABC - kind of the Australian version of BBC-)
Therefore, the scenes were in the correct order.
Are there different versions of P&P? Are some of them edited?
I did not know this. How long is the original and uncut
version?
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Posted by Lilian on September 23, 1996 at 22:10:23:
I can't quite figure out when Lizzy actully fell in love with
Darcy.
Was it when she visited Pemberley and saw his riches (she said this
to Jane although I think she was joking) or was it after he
saved Lydia. I don't think it is the latter either because before
he did that, she already had strong feelings for him.
Sometimes I think her change of opinion in Darcy is a little
too sudden. Does anyone agree or am I wrong and have missed
a point somewhere?
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Posted by Cheryl on September 23, 1996 at 22:12:45:
As you may know, my family is away so I am enjoying guilt-free viewing. When Darcy is writing his infamous letter to Lizzy and gets to the part where he writes "This Madam, is a true and accurate account of all my dealings with Mr. Wickham" there are what sounds like screams in the background. I have always been bothered by this and hope someone here can enlighten me as to what they may be. The only explanation I can come up with is that it could be a rooster (it seems to be about daybreak) but I have never heard a rooster make sounds like this. Any thoughts on this, or I the only one who hears it?
Cheryl
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