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Posted by Marie on September 23, 1996 at 12:26:36:
: : : After 8+ viewings of A&E's P&P, 6 of 95's "Persuasion," and 3 (going on 4) of "Sense & Sensibility," I have reached several conclusions. (1) I am addicted; (2) I am not ready to ask for help; (3) "but, I like 5 hour movies, and, anyway, it's not a movie, it's REAL!"(4)There are so many parallel themes and commonalities in these stories that one simply must conclude that Jane had an unresolved first encounter love and set about to reach acceptable closure time and again through fantasy, since her real encounter ended prematurely to her sorrow; (5) I love Jane's mind, wit and wish she were here today.
: : : (6) I am torn. Mr. Darcy had my heart, but alas, I've become most fond of the military. The intensity of Capt. Wentworth has won me over; though, perhaps, Col. Brandon's sensitivity intrudes upon my once-impenetrable shell. Is there help for me?
: : :I'm sure that there is help out there for us poor Austen addicts, but who would want it? I know I don't, although my roommates are willing to chip in the money for therapy.
: : I don't think I would choose Mr. Darcy over Captain Wentworth, but then, I admit that I am a little biased (I've only seen Persuasion once, but I've seen Pride and Prejudice...well, a lot.)
: : I think I'm going to rerent Persuasion over the weekend because I don't remember it very well.
: : Annie
I think I could have written your comments, Annie, except that I haven't seen any of the productions as many times as you. I find Darcy very, very romantic, but I think Captain Wentworth might be more of a serious choice on my part: Darcy the infatuation, Wentworth the love.
: I wonder why they put a Harlequin Romance cover on the video.
: There is a Fabio like picture on the front--with two people
: who are not even in the movie. On the back there is a similar
: picture with Wentworth and Anne. I did a double take and then
: burst out laughing when I saw it.
: Ann
Posted by Marie on September 23, 1996 at 12:37:58:
: Absent that, what do you say we begin a list of "Signs of Addiction," starting with some of the behaviors mentioned in this thread: pushing, hiding it from family. I would add a tendency not to use contractions in speech and writing and improved posture.
: Amy
Actually, having been weaned on P&P1, one of my first hesitations about P&P2 was the abundance of contractions. Lizzie, in particular, often says "can't, don't, etc." It's really a minor point, but I rather liked the formality of full words. It gives a different sense of the manners and conventions of the time. Is anyone familiar enough with private writing (eg., diaries) to know if contractions were commonly used? On the same general subject, (but let me hasten to insert that I liked Jennifer Ehle very, very much in the role), I was a little put off by the faces she makes, blowing out her cheeks, chewing on her lower lip, etc. The director should have caught her after the first scene.
Posted by Donna on September 23, 1996 at 13:00:53:
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: : : : I thought some wrote that they wanted to buy Persuasion.
: : : : I bought it for $20.99. I know it is for rent but it isn't
: : : : for sale yet.
: : : I posted this once before but Persuasion is going to be on PBS this season
: : : Natalie
: .
: I would like to buy Persuasion! Where did you get it for $20.99?? I was told that Sense and Sensibility was $99, and it, too, was released this past year. How could someone sell Persuasion so cheaply? Anyway, I want it!
: Tommye
Look at Message PERSUASION JAMES DAWES IS A GOOD INFO PAGE
he gave me his card said if I wanted any more to call.
Donna,
P.S. let us know what happens.
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Posted by Tommye on September 23, 1996 at 13:05:32:
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: Tammye,
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: I haven't been to Charleston yet but I hear that it is a great city. Too bad we don't live closer. We could have started a Jane Austen club.
: Susan
Don't worry about the spelling of my name. Usually, people call me, "Mr.". Even if I type it out correctly, mail will invariable come to Tammy or Mr. Tommy....
Re: Charleston: It's worth an overnighter from Greenville to survey the land in Charleston. I'm sure you've never seen a city quite like it. (Old Town Alexandria, VA and Georgetown (DC) are close, but still VERY different. The Plantations outside of Charleston would be reminiscent, I am sure, of the English estates, especially since many of them were copies of English estates. Today is a perfect Charleston day. 70 degrees, slight breeze, leaves still on the trees...not as cool as the day Lizzy and Darcy had their fateful conversation, to be sure.
Tommye
Posted by Tommye on September 23, 1996 at 13:07:51:
: : : : 1) Name- Cheryl
: : : : 2) Occupation- piano teacher and church music director
: : : :.
: : Hi, Cheryl. I play the piano and have been an assistant worship leader. Have you ever seen Jane Eyre with Timothy Dalton (BBC production)? Tommye
: Tommye, send me a note off this BB. I'd love to talk to you more, you seem a kindred spirit (have you read Anne of Green Gables?), but am concerned about cluttering up the list. My address is: clsneed@ix.netcom.com
: Thanks! Cheryl
Posted by Tommye on September 23, 1996 at 13:14:31:
: : : : : 1) Name- Cheryl
: : : : : 2) Occupation- piano teacher and church music director
: : : : :.
: : : Hi, Cheryl. I play the piano and have been an assistant worship leader. Have you ever seen Jane Eyre with Timothy Dalton (BBC production)? Tommye
: : Tommye, send me a note off this BB. I'd love to talk to you more, you seem a kindred spirit (have you read Anne of Green Gables?), but am concerned about cluttering up the list. My address is: clsneed@ix.netcom.com
: : Thanks! Cheryl
: I have read Anne of Green Gables. The mini-series from 1985 and its 1987 sequel "Anne of Avonlea" reigned as my favorite shows until P&P2 came along. I also spent some time leading music at my church before my second child was born. I love music.
: If either of you care to email me I am:
: Ramona
: oasis@tir.com
Hey! I forgot to respond to Cheryl's inquiry about Ann of Green Gables. Yes, Yes, Yes, of course, I've seen it! At least four of five times! Is it a SIGN? Details, I love details. I saw "Emma" again with my 13 year old daughter yesterday and enjoyed it twice as much as the first time. There was so much I missed the first go-round. Now, I need to see it again to see what else I missed! It seems to me that people in this little group like to see things over and over again, too. Everyone seems so analytical, but with different eyes to see different details. I was amazed at all that talk about camera angles, etc. I'm getting quite an education! I think this is all about vicarious experiences, or should I not have said this? I downloaded a pic of Mr. Darcy and my husband saw it and xeroxed a copy of his own picture and taped it over Mr. Darcy! He was actually jealous.. I told him that I only preferred Mr. Darcy when I was Lizzy...(Hmmmmm.)
Tommye (No, I'm just thinking out loud. I'm not a weirdo.)
Posted by Tommye on September 23, 1996 at 13:21:00:
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: My latest confession: all of my family left today for a three week vacation (I'm at home for job reasons) and for days now I have thought "No, do not put the video tape in, they will be gone soon and then I can watch it as often as I choose without any guilt." I took them to the airport this afternoon. When I arrived home, I immediately fixed a pot of coffee, broke out the chocolate chip cookies and watched the first two tapes. I did not hold the remote control in my hand so that I could stop it at the first sound of a footfall entering the room, for there was no one to interupt me. Ah, bliss. And just think of all the guilt free viewings I can enjoy in three weeks! I wish you could all join me!
: Cheryl
Yes, Cheryl, you're right. WE ARE kindred spirits.
Tommye
Posted by Amy Fearncombe on September 23, 1996 at 13:40:54:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name-Amy Fearncombe
: 2) Occupation- research technician (biology) & grad student
: 3) When you first saw P&P2- first A&E airing
: 4) How did you find out about it? taking a jane austen class
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? adore jane austen!
: 6) Have you read the original novel? YES
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? both
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.) mr bennet
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence when lizzy goes to the aid of georgiana and exchanges the little smile with darcy. sigh...
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)- the whole netherfield ball scene.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- persuasion, sense and sensibility, emma, clueless (if that counts)
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)- ? single, but dating a guy willing to be dragged to all the movies. have read all of thefull novels, much of her younger works, and just bought the unfinished novels and can't wait to read them!
Posted by Amy on September 23, 1996 at 13:55:03:
: I'm new to this site and am responding to Amy Bellinger's post on
: the Modern British list for a Forster person. I just finished
: a dissertation on the Forster adaptations, but I haven't seen the
: BBC/A&E Pride and Prejudice (no cable).
: James Berg
: University of Minnesota
Haven't we caught ourselves a qualified one, now? Great. Thanks so much for stopping by.
I will try to limit myself to just a few questions for now.
1. How cool you chose the adaptations for a dissertation topic. Any chance of publishing it? I'll buy one. Will you ever get to teach Forster adaptations? You are in an English department?
2. Is ARWAV -- or is it on its way to becoming -- a classic movie? I think it has the properties, but what is the general feeling among people who know?
3. Help me with Forster's attitude about society and about his time. It seems this was an awkward period for many in England -- just emerging from Victorian mores and many people fascinated with the odd, eccentric, intellectual -- even occult. Where did Forster stand personally? Was he odd? Was he with a crowd? I am too ignorant of the those times (though I could tell you exactly where Napolean was when Austen characters refer to him). Was he a contemporary of Maugham? Wilde? Shaw? Woolfe? Please forgive me if I am way off. As I think I said in my plea to the ModBrit list, we are adrift here.
Amy
Posted by Cheryl on September 23, 1996 at 14:06:14:
Hello, my name is Cheryl and I am a P&P2 addict (Hi Cheryl!)
Amy suggested starting a list of "Signs of Addiction to P&P2" and I shall get the ball rolling by listing some already mentioned, adding some of my own and inviting you to add to the list.
1. You view alone, and in secret, taking special care to hide knowledge of this from your family.
2. You have become a P&P2 "Pusher" foisting video taped copies onto unsuspecting friends.
3. You tend not to use contractions in speech and writing.
4. Friends comment upon your improved posture.
5. As you watch the video, you recite dialogue along with characters.
6. You now know how to dance the Sarabande to Mr. Beveridge's Maggot with no prior lessons.
7. You begin to smile in anticipation before Mr. Bennett even begins to speak.
8. You know what lies around every corner at Pemberly.
9. You know the VCR counter numbers and can accurately fast forward to your favorite scenes.
Any other contributions?
Cheryl
PS. Think of all our poor sisters out there who do not have access to this support group. How they must suffer believing themselves to be alone in their addiction! If only there were a way to reach them!
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Posted by Brigid on September 23, 1996 at 14:10:15:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name- Brigid
: 2) Occupation- Actor and Artistic Director of a theatre company
: 3) When you first saw P&P2- August 1996
: 4) How did you find out about it? I read reviews of it and a friend lent me her tape whicch I promptly made a copy of.
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? I had seen all the other recent Jane Austens although I admit I thought I would not like it more than Sense & Sensibility. (Silly me)
: 6) Have you read the original novel? Yes - every 5 years or so.
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? I started when I was 14 and I just reread it last week.
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.) Jane
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence - When Lizzy is playing piano at Pemberly
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)- When Mrs. Bennet comes to see Jane at Netherfield.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- all of the recent ones and the old P&P with Olivier
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)- I live with someone. I enjoy reading, watching movies over and over again, swimming and Winnie the Pooh. Point of interest - I met Colin Firth 10 years ago when I was
living in London. It was VERY brief but he was very pleasant and polite. I had just seen him in Another Country on stage.
Posted by Susan on September 23, 1996 at 14:57:21:
: Next virtual viewing nominations. Vote by Tuesday. We will begin discussion on Sunday 9/29.
:
I would like to put my vote in for "Age of Innocence". It's one of my favorite movies!!! I would love to be able to discuss it with others.
Susan
Posted by Lori T. on September 23, 1996 at 15:22:31:
I have seen the notes about the movie but I have never heard of
it before. Can you fill me in? When was it made, who starred,
and how do I get it? Thanks!!!!
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Posted by janice on September 23, 1996 at 15:39:35:
Which version of S&S were you talking about?
A friend of mine bought BBC's 1986(?) version at about $24;
the 1995 Emma Thompson's version is about the same price or less by now.
If you are interested, I will dig out the info for you.
Posted by Joan, too on September 23, 1996 at 15:47:55:
: Amy:
: Yes. That's how this works. Each time your browser has the patience to load the little red graphic at the bottom of the main page that says "WA," linking to a script at wishing.com, it's a hit. But at least it is not the type that counts every seperate graphic on the page as a hit.
I am beginning to suspect that that counter is more intelligent than all of us! Yesterday I happened to notice that even when just going "back" to the main page (*wihout* re-loading, which means that the cache file is being used) as the end of the page was re-drawn, the modem light went on - which I assume must mean that "Big Brother" is reporting to the counter?
So I started watching the modem ight and the disk drive light together (easy to do, since the modem light is very close to the DD light), and indeed, when going "back" the page is loading from the drive, but *also* - though not every time - the modem light goes on as well just for a half second or so right at the end of the load. The modem light *never* goes on when any individual postings are returned to, and oddly enough, it does not go on *every* time that the main page is returned to - maybe every 3rd-to-5th time? This example of artificial intelligence is an amazingly sophisticated lurker!
Joan, too
Posted by Joan, too on September 23, 1996 at 15:53:59:
((Perhaps others have - ad I had until just now - failed to notice that there is a very cool tally of the votes at the very bottom of the main page - you must scroll on past the posting form and past the ARWAV discussion to see it.))
Joan, too
Posted by Mich on September 23, 1996 at 16:02:51:
: Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
: Amy
: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
: 1) Name- Mich
: 2) Occupation-Manager
: 3) When you first saw P&P2- A&E 2nd showing in spring 96
: 4) How did you find out about it? Just happened upon it
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? after 5 minutes I was hooked
: 6) Have you read the original novel? several times
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? after
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)Mr. Bennet
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)- Darcy's proposal
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- S&S,P&P1 I plan to see P&P2 and emma soon
: 12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)
Posted by Janice on September 23, 1996 at 16:03:03:
: I learned only today that the Firthlisters have been trashing us, or me or this board or something. I don't read the digests everyday and missed the damning posts. Anna-Karin or Laura, pray write and tell the nature of this slander for I am quite astonished to hear of it.
: Are we too uneducated in Firthlore? Too prissy? I don't understand. I have always enjoyed reading the posts there and have delighted in the difference from this place in style, tone, character. Hurts my feelings a little. Please tell so I won't imagine worse.
: Amy
:
Really? but why? Too bad if it is true.
I read them from time to time and enjoy it too.
I thought we were all on the same boat, that is, addict to P&P, and adore Firth.
However, I think we may be a bit open minded, we are allowed to adore others, such as Hinds, Rupert, Sewell...:)
Posted by Mich on September 23, 1996 at 16:08:23:
After many calls I was able to find it at the following number. They also had A&E's version which ran about $99
The one your looking for should be around $30 Good luck
Video finder
1-800-343-4727
Posted by Mich on September 23, 1996 at 16:59:43:
This won't help with Persuasion but here are some number I found very helpful in my search for different versions of P&P.
You will be able to find an old version of Persuasion.
BBC 1-800-216-1222
BBC Direct 1-212-705-9487 Fax 1-212-705-9344 PBS Cust Serv 1-800-531-4727
Signals 1-800-669-9691
1-800-669-5225
Video finder
1-800-343-4727
: :
: : : : : I thought some wrote that they wanted to buy Persuasion.
: : : : : I bought it for $20.99. I know it is for rent but it isn't
: : : : : for sale yet.
: : : : I posted this once before but Persuasion is going to be on PBS this season
: : : : Natalie
: : .
: : I would like to buy Persuasion! Where did you get it for $20.99?? I was told that Sense and Sensibility was $99, and it, too, was released this past year. How could someone sell Persuasion so cheaply? Anyway, I want it!
: : Tommye
:
: Look at Message PERSUASION JAMES DAWES IS A GOOD INFO PAGE
: he gave me his card said if I wanted any more to call.
: Donna,
: P.S. let us know what happens.
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