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Posted by Donna on September 21, 1996 at 15:47:19:
Persuasion he said to call if I wanted any more movies
Here it is :
S-Q-S Unit#6, Clockertower Plaza
Morgantown,Pa 19543 Ph.610-286-0552
Erick Metz
I've never called try and see what happens. He had tons of tapes
at the mall. Let us know if he has any more. I paid $20.99 with tax.
There will me shipping charges.
Donna
Posted by Amy on September 21, 1996 at 15:48:37:
Here are the bio questions developed by Ramona that some of us answered 10 days ago or so. If any of the new people here would like to tell about themselves, please do. If not, okay too. I'll try to get the answers from the others in shape sometime over the weekend.
Amy
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
1) Name-
2) Occupation-
3) When you first saw P&P2-
4) How did you find out about it?
5) What interested you in seeing it?
6) Have you read the original novel?
7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?
8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
9) Favorite scene/sequence
10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
11) Other Austen films viewed-
12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
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Posted by Joan, too on September 21, 1996 at 16:10:51:
: The camera work on the second proposal scene was certainly
: bad. It should have been taken out wider.
: I wonder if the British TV uses the same size ratio as
: American TV. If not, then the shots might not be as bad in
: their original UK version.
: Ann
I have a VCR which is capable of playing in SECAM and PAL formats as well as NTSC, and I have not noticed a detectable difference, though I do not have any examples of something recorded from the same original to both types of sources (such as P&P2 in PAL format). My guess is that a ration problem might arise in transferring from the original FILM to video - however, the entire production was filmed that way, and they managed to avoid the problem in most other scenes. I believe, though, that that was one of the last scenes filmed, and they were concerned that the weather might not hold up, so they may have had no opportunity for re-takes?
Joan, too
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Posted by Tommye on September 21, 1996 at 16:25:20:
Name: Tommye G.
Occupation: Part-time writer, editor, homemaker
I first saw P&P2--in the Spring?? It's all a blur, now.
Actually, I didn't even know it was coming on. It was late Saturday night and I was channel surfing. Suddenly......anyway I must have joined in during the second hour. For that night and the next two weeks, I was entranced and now I am hopelessly addicted.
6 & 7. Yes, I have NOW read the original novel, along with Persuasion, Northanger Abbey (Ugh.) and Emma.
8. Third favorite character: Lizzy's Aunt; 4th-her uncle who took her to Pemberly.
9. My favorite scene: Right after his dip, when Mr. Darcy and Lizzy come upon each other and are at a loss for words. 2nd favorite: In the music room after dinner, when Miss Bingley tries to stir things up; Lizzies recovery is beautiful and Mr. Darcy's resultant admiration of her, as she
stands by Miss Darcy.]
10. Most awkward scene to watch: Mrs. Bennet, uttering her inappropriate words about Mr. Darcy, in front of Mr. Darcy--after he has saved the day for the family unbeknownst to them. Mostly, every scene involving Mrs. Bennet and her mouth.
11. Other Austen films viewed: Persuasion:8 times: I love it, but at first I hated it, having compared it to P&P2. Liked it much better the second time around, though I don't particularly care for the person who plays Ann. In the book, she was described as more attractive, and frankly, she was supposed to "glow" towards the end; but Ann was so plain in the movie that she didn't appear much different from the beginning.
Emma: Recently at the theatre, starring G. Paltrow. Loved it. Definitely reminded me of P&P2. But I'm looking forward to A&E's version.
Sense & Sensibility: Liked it, but it didn't measure up to P&P2. I would love to see a longer BB version that gives character development time.
12. Share: It's just a shame we don't have more productions of the quality of these. I loved Jane Eyre with Timothy Dalton--5-6 hour production. Other than that, I rarely experience the delight that Jane Austen's novels- brought- to-life have brought me. There's also something about the English...I am from the Deep South, but my roots are English and I take to everything English. However, I honestly don't think I would like to go back to the time of Jane Austen. I fear I would have been one of the impoverished majority rather than the elite rich of the day. Sigh.
Posted by Joan, too on September 21, 1996 at 16:29:01:
: Raphael:
: Are you professionally involved in film, or was it just an educated guess?
None of the above [grin]. I have, at other times in my life, done considerable direction of live amateur theatre and opera, but in this case I read about the use of the steadycam somewhere - maybe in the "Making of P&P" book?
Joan, too
Posted by Tommye on September 21, 1996 at 16:29:20:
: Ann echoed Donna's concern:
: : I know that I would not be able to find PP1. Others would
: : probably have the same problem
:
: I think this is a fair reason for excluding P&P1 from the virtual viewing? Anybody wish to protest?
: Amy
PP1 can be purchased for $25 from "Saturday Matinee" movie store chain, usually in the malls. If they can get it, I'm sure Blockbuster and the others can, too.
Posted by Tommye on September 21, 1996 at 16:31:12:
: I cast my vote for Enchanted April.
: Cheryl
How about "A Month In the Country?" When was it made?
Posted by Ann on September 21, 1996 at 16:56:24:
1) Name- Ann
2) Occupation-Structural Engineer (unemployed)
3) When you first saw P&P2-January
4) How did you find out about it?
5) What interested you in seeing it? I became a devoted JA
fan after seeing Persuasion. (S&S is my least favorite
recent adaptation.)
6) Have you read the original novel? Oh, yes! So many times
it's impossible to count.
7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? Can't remember. Both,
I keep going back and forth between the two.
8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
I suppose Lady Catherine. Not that I like her at all,
but she is a great character.
9) Favorite scene/sequence. Meeting again at Pemberly.
10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
I can't watch Lizzy's family make fools of themselves
at the Netherfield ball, especially knowing how much
damage it will do.
11) Other Austen films viewed- Persuasion(****), Clueless(**)
S&S(**1/2), Emma(***1/2), P&P-Olivier(-*)
12) Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
Single, unemployed, live in the Twin Cities, under 30,
excellent example of GenX.
Ann
Posted by Tommye on September 21, 1996 at 16:56:40:
:
: Tommye,
: Your cry really brought out the lurkers. Thanks, though I know it was not your intention.
: Amy
What's a lurker??
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Posted by Raphael on September 21, 1996 at 17:07:00:
: There is one TV show which is actually shot, but not shown,
: in a more cinematic ratio: Babylon 5. It would be nice if
: people would get used to letterboxing the screen, so we
: could have more panoramic views on TV.
:
: Ann
Or we moved to HDTV, which has 9:16 ratio, the widest-screen of
wide-screens. It is, however, encouraging to see more and more
video releases in letterbox (Cutthroat Island, American President
(partial), etc). Very unfortunate, though, that S&S wasn't among
them. Such a beautiful film deserves better treatment.
I didn't know Babylon 5 was filmed that way. So, they Pan/scan it
afterwards? Is this in the hope that someday they'll be able to show
them letterboxed (video release, perhaps?)?
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Raphael on September 21, 1996 at 17:11:13:
: They must have messed up the filming to the first few
: measures of the dance, because if you look closely at Jane
: before the dance starts she is nodding her head--in slow motion!
: They must not have filmed enough in real time, so they had to
: fudge it.
: Ann
I always am intrigued by this. It's possible that they played the
shot in slo-mo because they didn't have enough frames. But perhaps
they were trying instead to acheive some kind of effect. I don't
recall the specifics, but I think there were one or two other very
small occasions when such an effect was used (however, not nearly
so obviously). Nevertheless, very unusual. Does anyone know why
this happened?
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Ann on September 21, 1996 at 17:12:30:
: : Ann,
: : Ohhhhh.
: : It is lovely. Thank you.
: : You make me quite envious for I have no play, only four novels.
: : Maybe the Milne version ought to be used as the basis of the Disney version if one is ever attempted. I thought about it last night when watching Beauty and the Beast with my 7-year old. Some similarities, though I wouldn't go so far as to call them parallels. (Early Darcy is actually kind of a blend of Gaston and the Beast.)
: : Amy
: I too think it is wonderful. Is there any links on the internet for the text or info regarding this play?
: The Disney idea is great too. I love Beauty and The Beast. It is my favorite animated film!
I've never heard anything about this play, except for the
copy I have. His introduction begins:
"It was at the time when it was fashionable to write plays
about the Brontes that I first began to think of it. I began
by telling myself proudly that I was the one dramatist in
England who had not written a play about the Brontes; who,
moreover, had no slightest wish to write a play about the
Brontes; who, indeed, if he ever wrote that sort of play at
all, could only want to write it about the divine and
incomperable Austen....
"I tried....Six months later it was finished; and on the day
upon which it was finished I read that a dramatised version
of Pride and Prejudice was about to be produced on the New York
stage. Apparently it was Jane Austen who was now fashionable"
--A.A. Milne
Sounds familiar!!! That was 60 years ago (March 14, 1936)!!
By the sounds of the rest of the introduction the Milne
version was never produced. The American version crossed
the pond and put an end to the production of the British
version.
Ann
Posted by Ann on September 21, 1996 at 17:15:03:
: : The camera work on the second proposal scene was certainly
: : bad. It should have been taken out wider.
: : I wonder if the British TV uses the same size ratio as
: : American TV. If not, then the shots might not be as bad in
: : their original UK version.
: : Ann
: I have a VCR which is capable of playing in SECAM and PAL formats as well as NTSC, and I have not noticed a detectable difference, though I do not have any examples of something recorded from the same original to both types of sources (such as P&P2 in PAL format). My guess is that a ration problem might arise in transferring from the original FILM to video - however, the entire production was filmed that way, and they managed to avoid the problem in most other scenes. I believe, though, that that was one of the last scenes filmed, and they were concerned that the weather might not hold up, so they may have had no opportunity for re-takes?
: Joan, too
Typical Britains: blame it on the weather!
Ann
Posted by Ann on September 21, 1996 at 17:17:57:
: : There is one TV show which is actually shot, but not shown,
: : in a more cinematic ratio: Babylon 5. It would be nice if
: : people would get used to letterboxing the screen, so we
: : could have more panoramic views on TV.
: :
: : Ann
: Or we moved to HDTV, which has 9:16 ratio, the widest-screen of
: wide-screens. It is, however, encouraging to see more and more
: video releases in letterbox (Cutthroat Island, American President
: (partial), etc). Very unfortunate, though, that S&S wasn't among
: them. Such a beautiful film deserves better treatment.
: I didn't know Babylon 5 was filmed that way. So, they Pan/scan it
: afterwards? Is this in the hope that someday they'll be able to show
: them letterboxed (video release, perhaps?)?
: Cordially,
: Raphael
I think when they film "Babylon 5" they keep an eye on the
TV ratio, but let the sides be filmed too. I think they want
to release the wide screen onto video. I'm not entirly sure
that they film every show that way, but they did shoot the
pilot for wide screen.
Ann
Posted by Ann on September 21, 1996 at 17:23:26:
: : They must have messed up the filming to the first few
: : measures of the dance, because if you look closely at Jane
: : before the dance starts she is nodding her head--in slow motion!
: : They must not have filmed enough in real time, so they had to
: : fudge it.
: : Ann
: I always am intrigued by this. It's possible that they played the
: shot in slo-mo because they didn't have enough frames. But perhaps
: they were trying instead to acheive some kind of effect. I don't
: recall the specifics, but I think there were one or two other very
: small occasions when such an effect was used (however, not nearly
: so obviously). Nevertheless, very unusual. Does anyone know why
: this happened?
: Cordially,
: Raphael
If you were as addicted to the original airing from back in
January, and pay *very* close attention to the one just repeated
you will also notice places where the scenes are slightly sped
up. This was probably done to accomodate the "previously, on
Pride and Prejudice" clips which proceeded the broadcast (that
and to maybe fit in more commercials!)
As for the slow motion in the dance scene, it didn't seem to
me to intentional on the part of the director.
Ann
Posted by Raphael on September 21, 1996 at 17:36:57:
: Well, perhaps it is a bit subtle, but there are a several references indicating that Wickham is much on Lydia's mind. When Lydia, Lizzie and Kitty go into town and meet the officers (whom they then take home to tea), Lydia notices Wickham and makes comments about Lizzie being violently in love with him, causing her to ask Lydia to lower her voice. In the "winter" scene we hear Lydia complaining about plain Mary King taking Wickham out of circulation with her ten thousand pounds. When Lydia and Wickham meet Lizzie and Maria at the post stop and treat them to lunch, she is eager to report that Wickham is now available again.
Yes, but notice that these are all comments by Lydia as Wickham relates TO Lizzy,
personal comments about her own perceptions of him. Her passing interest here seems,
to me at least, to be an effort by Lydia to teaze Elizabeth for her partiality for
Wickham. Did you feel there were references there intended to show a partiality on
Lydia's side?
: : : That must have been extremely annoying and humiliating for Lizzy to discover, because it was obvious that she had been taken by Wickham's false pretensions.
: On the contrary, in the cut fragment, after Wickham makes the above declaration, Lizzie genuinely wishes him happiness with Mary King and observes that Jane would be proud of her for her forbearance.
: Some of these cuts really did affect the accuracy of the illustration of the characters - in general, the screen play does not waste time on unnecesary dialog, and in the effort to include as much as possible of the original, points upon which JA expounded at length were reduced to single lines of dialog - which, if cut, *do* make a difference in how the audience perceives the characters.
I agree that the cuts affect our understanding, but I was speaking of
the uncut video version, and not of Lizzy's feelings for Wickham
at that specific point. I fully agree she had no regrets upon his
declaration about Miss King, nor did she think him lower for it. Lizzy,
at this point, simply liked Wickham's company. I doubt very much she
thought much farther, at least with any seriousness. I agree with you
totally on that, but it wasn't the period of time I was referring to.
I was speaking, rather, of the scenes AFTER Wickham elopes with Lydia.
I am sure Lizzy looked back on her time with him and felt ashamed of
being so taken with him, so taken IN by him, just like he led everyone
else on, when she knew what true character he possessed. Do you feel
she felt no embarrassment about this when his true character came forth
through his dealings with Lydia? I think it was especially compounded
because of her changing attitudes toward Darcy, how he certainly must
have known about her dealings with Wickham, already knowing Wickham's
character, and how painfully aware she was of her decided choice of
Wickham over Darcy, even over her sister's urging her to wait to find
out more.
My point was not whether Lizzy was mistaken about Wickham's designs
on her self, but rather how she was mistaken about his character in
when he eventually showed his true colors.
Cordially,
Raphael
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Posted by Ann on September 21, 1996 at 17:37:35:
Also from the Milne version:
This is a line from the scene which substitutes for Darcy's
letter. I think Milne handles it very well. There is both
firmness and some sadness in Darcy's speech:
Darcy re-enters the room after Elizabeth's refusal:
Elizabeth-
Oh, surely, surely we have nothing more to say to each other!
Darcy (speaking in an unemotional voice)-
Miss Bennet, whatever we have thought of each other in the
past, or think at this moment, at least I have never doubted
your intelligence, nor you my pride. In what I wish to say
now I am appealing to the one--and protecting the other. In
so far as that pride is the arrogance you condemn I shall not
defend it, but (firmly) there is a pride, Miss Bennet, which
no words of yours can shake, the pride which one takes in one's
honour and one's good name. Apart from your dislike of me,
you have brought two accusations against me. This is the
last occasion on which we shall meet; my last opportunity;
therefore, to say, in defence of my honour, that which, I have
decided now, requires to be said.
--A.A. Milne
Ann
Posted by Donna on September 21, 1996 at 17:49:36:
If I could borrow P&P1. How much would it cost to ship or mail.
I swear I would return it. I am off to a football game let me know.
I would love to be able to buy but I just order MAKING OF P&P2.
Can't do right now.
Donna
Posted by Stefanie on September 21, 1996 at 18:00:37:
I think that most library systems also carry this version. I know that mine does.
Stefanie
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