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Posted by Cheryl on September 17, 1996 at 15:42:23:
: After 8+ viewings of A&E's P&P, 6 of 95's "Persuasion,"
and 3 (going on 4) of "Sense & Sensibility," I have reached
several conclusions. (1) I am addicted; (2) I am not ready
to ask for help;
In vain have I struggled. It will not do. My feelings will
not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently
I admire and love P&P2. I, too, am hopelessly addicted, and
would post numbers very similar to Tommye's were it not for the
guilt and shame such numbers would oblige me to feel. My
addiction has even lead me to repeated viewings alone in secret
lest scenes arise unpleasant towards more than myself ("you're
not watching that AGAIN?)
I get my daily fix of Jane Austen by being an avid lurker of
Austen-L, but my longing for more Darcy and Elizabeth was not
satisfied until I stumbled on this BB a few days ago. Finally,
people who know and understand what I am going through! But,
like Tommye, I do not desire a cure, but an overdose (is such
a thing possible?) Pray, tell me, is there an archives for
this BB? I do not wish bring up topics that have been thoroughly
hashed out before I found all you kindred spirits.
Cheryl
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Posted by Marie on September 17, 1996 at 15:53:58:
Yes, is there an archive for this? I loved the very first posting I ever saw--I think it was Amy's confession of an addict--and wanted to show it to another P&P addict, but it was no longer there when I went back. Could you re-post it? Many thanks.
: Pray, tell me, is there an archives for
: this BB? I do not wish bring up topics that have been thoroughly
: hashed out before I found all you kindred spirits.
: Cheryl
Posted by Cheryl on September 17, 1996 at 16:03:33:
: Pic above must be from In the Name of the Father. How different he can look.
Thanks for the Daniel Day-Lewis picture. I've always been
a great fan of his and loved his portrayal of Cecil in ARWAV.
And although Lucy was correct to break off the engagement,
I always felt sorry for him, boorish snob though he is. That
scene after Lucy sends him packing and he sits down to put
his shoes on, is just heart breaking. He may not have really
loved her, but it seemed quite clear to me that he was devastated
and trying very hard to hold it all together. Not that *I*
would have married him, you understand.
Cheryl
Posted by Annie on September 17, 1996 at 16:27:53:
: After 8+ viewings of A&E's P&P, 6 of 95's "Persuasion," and 3 (going on 4) of "Sense & Sensibility," I have reached several conclusions. (1) I am addicted; (2) I am not ready to ask for help; (3) "but, I like 5 hour movies, and, anyway, it's not a movie, it's REAL!"(4)There are so many parallel themes and commonalities in these stories that one simply must conclude that Jane had an unresolved first encounter love and set about to reach acceptable closure time and again through fantasy, since her real encounter ended prematurely to her sorrow; (5) I love Jane's mind, wit and wish she were here today.
: (6) I am torn. Mr. Darcy had my heart, but alas, I've become most fond of the military. The intensity of Capt. Wentworth has won me over; though, perhaps, Col. Brandon's sensitivity intrudes upon my once-impenetrable shell. Is there help for me?
:I'm sure that there is help out there for us poor Austen addicts, but who would want it? I know I don't, although my roommates are willing to chip in the money for therapy.
I don't think I would choose Mr. Darcy over Captain Wentworth, but then, I admit that I am a little biased (I've only seen Persuasion once, but I've seen Pride and Prejudice...well, a lot.)
I think I'm going to rerent Persuasion over the weekend because I don't remember it very well.
Annie
Posted by Brigid on September 17, 1996 at 16:30:34:
: After 8+ viewings of A&E's P&P, 6 of 95's "Persuasion," and 3 (going on 4) of "Sense & Sensibility," I have reached several conclusions. (1) I am addicted; (2) I am not ready to ask for help; (3) "but, I like 5 hour movies, and, anyway, it's not a movie, it's REAL!"(4)There are so many parallel themes and commonalities in these stories that one simply must conclude that Jane had an unresolved first encounter love and set about to reach acceptable closure time and again through fantasy, since her real encounter ended prematurely to her sorrow; (5) I love Jane's mind, wit and wish she were here today.
: (6) I am torn. Mr. Darcy had my heart, but alas, I've become most fond of the military. The intensity of Capt. Wentworth has won me over; though, perhaps, Col. Brandon's sensitivity intrudes upon my once-impenetrable shell. Is there help for me?
I love this BB. It is my sanity during a crazy day at work. I to am addicted and glad I'm not alone.
Posted by Stefanie on September 17, 1996 at 16:41:35:
: I've seen it three times. It's very cute and Gweneth Paltrow does a great job.
: But be warned, it's not the most faithful adaptation, I'm sure the mini-series next year from BBC/A&E will be better in that regard. Notwithstanding that, I recomemnd it.
I hadn't heard that A&E was making a mini-series out of Emma.
Do you know exactly when it will come out or if they're doing that with any other Austen novels?
I'm sorry if this information has already been given out here, but I am new to this page.
Thanks.
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Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 16:44:30:
Tommye,
Your cry really brought out the lurkers. Thanks, though I know it was not your intention.
Amy
Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 16:50:57:
>>: I hadn't heard that A&E was making a mini-series out of Emma.
: Do you know exactly when it will come out or if they're doing that with any other Austen novels?
: I'm sorry if this information has already been given out here, but I am new to this page.
Stefanie:
All any of knows or is telling is in a newer thread:
Emma BBC preview tagged on P&P2 replay,
posted by Raphael Tehan on September 16, 1996 at 19:57:22:
Don't worry about it. Questions like this help me learn what the frequently asked questions are, then I put them on the FAQ. Others will point you if I am not monitoring. Then, someday, when you are a vet here (10 days usually), you can help with some pointing.
Amy
Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 16:59:51:
>>>Pray, tell me, is there an archives for
: this BB? I do not wish bring up topics that have been thoroughly
: hashed out before I found all you kindred spirits.
I have some, from about message 80 on. There's no great way to distribute it, but if you are willing to futz around a little I will be happy to provide the archive in the only form I have it in. Alas, Arnessa, defining addiction post is lost. Maybe sometime when she is bored at work she could reconstruct it for us.
Amy
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Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 18:00:30:
Do you not adore Denholm Elliot as Mr Emerson?
"Women. Like. A. View.
Men. Don't."
Too bad he won't be making any more wonderful nut characters.
See link to his filmography below. I didn't know he played George Smiley. Anybody ever see the Masterpiece Theatre version of Tinker, Tailor? I haven't and have been looking for the tapes for years.
Amy
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Posted by Stefanie on September 17, 1996 at 18:41:48:
: One more, I loved it after the supper at Pemberly and the favorite "LOOK" when Darcy comes back in and is confronted with Caroline's pettiness and jealousy - he puts her in her place as only a real gentleman could.
I totally agree. One of my favorite conversations in P&P is when Miss Bingley says "I believe you thought her rather pretty at one time."
And Darcy replies eloquently "Yes, but the was only when I first knew her, for it is many months since I have considered her as one of the handsomest women of my aquaintance."
Posted by Matthew on September 17, 1996 at 18:43:37:
: : : I now know why I like these regency, renaissance, period films. Its the men. Men in the 1990s are not at all like the men during Austen's, Forster, Dickens, Bronte time. Arnessa you are so right when you said the scene in which George cathches Lucy when she faints. It was beautiful and well-timed. Chivalry is definitely dead. Men now only have one thing on their mind. And Steve is an attestation to that. His bio. Although it made for a good joke, I expected it from him. Why should he take women seriously. Although women during that time had little or no rights and men will argue that the reason men don't help women any more is because of the protestations they receive. Well Bucko!!! (I quoteth Richie Cunningham) I would most seriously love to have a man hold the door open for me. Buy me dinner. Grab me in the middle of the barley field and kiss me ever-so-passionately. Or I would love to have a battle of wits between the other sex. Just like Lizzy and Darcy. That was romance. That was
: : : passion. Men don't understand women and women don't understand men. But if women told men yes we do like to doated on once in a while. I find myself opening doors for men. I know I am generalizing here and I hope I do not offend anyone. But I watch these movies because they are incredibly romantic. And we just don't have romance anymore. Laura
: : : At long last, someone who believes the same thing I do! Chivalry is dead,
: : if any of the guys I've dated in the past have been any indication.
: : I, too, love period films. I have lost count of the number of times
: : I've seen Pride and Prejudice (all three versions, even if
: : the first two don't even compare to the final one) and every time
: : I see it I wish that men like Darcy existed in real life, in this time.
: : I guess it's never mean to be.
:
: I think that we need to tell men how to act. If we explain to them or forcibly make them watch Pride & Prejudice and say "You know, that is exactly how a man should be." Now he may come along and say "But they were nerds, they didn't know any better." "Ah, but they did." I say "which is why these people really fell in love because there was MUTUAL Respect." and he says "that's for sissy's." and I say "which is why you'll never get IT!!!!!" Men need to be put in there place. They think women need it. But once their testosterone rises forget it they all become pigs. Mr Darcy would never say "your place or mine"(or Pemberley or Longbourne). No he would quietly stare out the window longing, gazing, wanting, needing, but knowing that the time is not right for him to make a move. But I must remember that when his T.... does rise he falls flat on his face, but he learns from his mistake. Most men never do. Oh boy, I'm starting to feel sorry for the inferior sex (men). They really are clueless. Now how many women have friends whose husbands are just wonderful. I think we all have a friend like that right. But is he really wonderful. Or that your friend has never read Austen so has no clue how women should be treated. I can totally identify with Anne Elliot. I am 28 y.o. single, mom of a beautiful 5 y.o. Was in a relationship for 10 years WITH a CREEP. He had no clue so finally I said see ya. (best thing I ever did) Now I'm not quite looking for Prince Charming or Prince Charles for that fact I want a decent man who knows Austen. Sorry for the rambling. Laura
I think you just "put men in their place" most successfully! OUCH! Not all of us have to be forced to read Pride and Prejudice. Some of us read it because we thoroughly enjoy it! And some of us hold doors open for ladies, because it is the polite thing to do. And some of us even leave the SEAT down! So, if that's being a pig, all i have to say is this : OINK! Romance isn't dead. It's in intensive care, i agree. But there's still a pulse. Don't dig the grave quite yet.....
Posted by Matthew on September 17, 1996 at 18:44:23:
: : : I now know why I like these regency, renaissance, period films. Its the men. Men in the 1990s are not at all like the men during Austen's, Forster, Dickens, Bronte time. Arnessa you are so right when you said the scene in which George cathches Lucy when she faints. It was beautiful and well-timed. Chivalry is definitely dead. Men now only have one thing on their mind. And Steve is an attestation to that. His bio. Although it made for a good joke, I expected it from him. Why should he take women seriously. Although women during that time had little or no rights and men will argue that the reason men don't help women any more is because of the protestations they receive. Well Bucko!!! (I quoteth Richie Cunningham) I would most seriously love to have a man hold the door open for me. Buy me dinner. Grab me in the middle of the barley field and kiss me ever-so-passionately. Or I would love to have a battle of wits between the other sex. Just like Lizzy and Darcy. That was romance. That was
: : : passion. Men don't understand women and women don't understand men. But if women told men yes we do like to doated on once in a while. I find myself opening doors for men. I know I am generalizing here and I hope I do not offend anyone. But I watch these movies because they are incredibly romantic. And we just don't have romance anymore. Laura
: : : At long last, someone who believes the same thing I do! Chivalry is dead,
: : if any of the guys I've dated in the past have been any indication.
: : I, too, love period films. I have lost count of the number of times
: : I've seen Pride and Prejudice (all three versions, even if
: : the first two don't even compare to the final one) and every time
: : I see it I wish that men like Darcy existed in real life, in this time.
: : I guess it's never mean to be.
:
: I think that we need to tell men how to act. If we explain to them or forcibly make them watch Pride & Prejudice and say "You know, that is exactly how a man should be." Now he may come along and say "But they were nerds, they didn't know any better." "Ah, but they did." I say "which is why these people really fell in love because there was MUTUAL Respect." and he says "that's for sissy's." and I say "which is why you'll never get IT!!!!!" Men need to be put in there place. They think women need it. But once their testosterone rises forget it they all become pigs. Mr Darcy would never say "your place or mine"(or Pemberley or Longbourne). No he would quietly stare out the window longing, gazing, wanting, needing, but knowing that the time is not right for him to make a move. But I must remember that when his T.... does rise he falls flat on his face, but he learns from his mistake. Most men never do. Oh boy, I'm starting to feel sorry for the inferior sex (men). They really are clueless. Now how many women have friends whose husbands are just wonderful. I think we all have a friend like that right. But is he really wonderful. Or that your friend has never read Austen so has no clue how women should be treated. I can totally identify with Anne Elliot. I am 28 y.o. single, mom of a beautiful 5 y.o. Was in a relationship for 10 years WITH a CREEP. He had no clue so finally I said see ya. (best thing I ever did) Now I'm not quite looking for Prince Charming or Prince Charles for that fact I want a decent man who knows Austen. Sorry for the rambling. Laura
I think you just "put men in their place" most successfully! OUCH! Not all of us have to be forced to read Pride and Prejudice. Some of us read it because we thoroughly enjoy it! And some of us hold doors open for ladies, because it is the polite thing to do. And some of us even leave the SEAT down! So, if that's being a pig, all i have to say is this : OINK! Romance isn't dead. It's in intensive care, i agree. But there's still a pulse. Don't dig the grave quite yet.....
Posted by Ramona on September 17, 1996 at 19:25:17:
: After 8+ viewings of A&E's P&P, 6 of 95's "Persuasion," and 3 (going on 4) of "Sense & Sensibility," I have reached several conclusions. (1) I am addicted; (2) I am not ready to ask for help; (3) "but, I like 5 hour movies, and, anyway, it's not a movie, it's REAL!"(4)There are so many parallel themes and commonalities in these stories that one simply must conclude that Jane had an unresolved first encounter love and set about to reach acceptable closure time and again through fantasy, since her real encounter ended prematurely to her sorrow; (5) I love Jane's mind, wit and wish she were here today.
: (6) I am torn. Mr. Darcy had my heart, but alas, I've become most fond of the military. The intensity of Capt. Wentworth has won me over; though, perhaps, Col. Brandon's sensitivity intrudes upon my once-impenetrable shell. Is there help for me?
I don't want a cure. In this cold, cynical violent world these movies/novels of hope are so welcome! I have finally found what I am looking for in entertainment. Why would I want to get rid of it. It is like finding the man of your dreams. You wouldn't push him away.
Posted by Joan, too on September 17, 1996 at 21:18:40:
: Amy:
: I like the way the Austen characters express their love: "the greatest admiration and regard"..."greatly esteem him"...
"Admiraton" "regard" "esteem" - all of these are terms that imply a high respect for qualities of character other than those inspired by hormones. Being told that one is admired, regarded, esteemed creates a much more romantic atmosphere than being told that one is a "fox" or a "babe" (or hunk? Any hunks want in on this?)
"Admiraton" "regard" and "esteem" are the qualities that are in there for the long haul - after a few years, when "fox" "babe" and "hunk" no longer apply, what is left? Nothing, if there is not also "admiraton" "regard" "esteem" - and respect.
Joan, too
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Posted by Joan, too on September 17, 1996 at 21:37:32:
: Carolyn commented:
: I also like this scene but what I really would like to see is Lady C's visit to Darcy afterwards.
I agree! In fact, the first time I read it, I was amazed not to find it the next chapter. Jane Austen short-sheeted us on this one!
Joan, too
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