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Posted by Amy on September 16, 1996 at 20:37:20:
Rafael aksed about the version of EMMA set to air next Feb.
: For those questioning the appropriateness of its placement here,
Dont' be silly. Almost nothing is OT here. And we are all panting for this Emma.
>>: I believe I read somewhere on the internet that Andrew Davies is
: the teleplay writer (marvelous!),
Yes, and Sue Birtwistle is producing
>>: Is that Kate Beckinsale in the lead?
Yes. And that's all I know. If anybody knows another other tiny bit, please tell. I wish we could get a poster from England. There must be more media buzz about Emma there.
: Thanks much, and I'm ever so glad there's a clinic for us addicts.
: It sort of makes up for the fact that warning labels were not given
: prior to P&P2's airing.
Should we sue?
Amy
Posted by Joan, too on September 16, 1996 at 21:03:38:
: Lorraine
: American Graffiti - Debbie to Terry the Toad
(Some of us may remember when "everybody" actually used that phrase in real life.)
Joan, too
Posted by Arnessa on September 16, 1996 at 21:50:29:
: Laura asked:
: >>: Could someone explain to me the scene in the plaza in Florence when the guy is stabbed. Did I miss something or was it a show put on by the natives. I know stupid question.
:
: I always figured it for real violence. But now you make me wonder.
: No wait. To what end would it be fake? It wouldn't serve the story, would it? From what George says at the bridge, I think we can gather the riot is a chance thing and chance things can put a crook or a turn in one's life's path?
: Anybody else have a take?
: Amy
Well, in the book it's a real fight, and I think one guy dies even. Maybe the reason they chose to make it so stagey in the movie is because they didn't want people to get so distracted worrying about what happens to the guy who's stabbed that we miss the real importance of the scene: George Emerson catching Lucy as she faints in the middle of the square. That was one of the many beautiful images I'll remember vividly from the film.
-Arnessa.
Posted by Nadine Maraldo on September 17, 1996 at 01:29:36:
:
: : I think it's what John said, the Academy members are not about to pick a British production.
: But then they picked Helen Mirren for best actress in a drama series, and nobody thought *she* had a chance because *her* show is British. Go figure.
: Joan, too
It is very annoying that Jennifer Ehle won the BAFTA AWARD and Beat Helen Mirren
for the award while Jennifer didn't get nominated
for the emmy but Helen did and Won.
Therefore if Jennifer was nominated she would have
won!!!
Link:
Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 05:17:24:
>>: As someone who has been constantly rereading Austen since discovering P&P ten years ago, I can't see Lizzie in her room crying.
I agree, Lea. If she and Darcy were having adjustment troubles, I would see her more frustrated than despairng.
Amy
Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 05:27:04:
Laura wonders about Honeychurch:
: Is this a weird name or common name?
I don't know, but it is sweet. Reflects Cecil's view of Lucy, kind of, when he talks to his mother about her upbringing : country freshness then travel in Italy then London.
Helena B-C is so natural for this period. I'd like to see her in an Austen adaptation though her looks aren't as suited to the Regency period.
>>Also, don't you just love how this movie ends.
It's perfect.
Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 05:49:40:
Or maybe Lucy could have been Charlotte, had she not seen the light.
When her mom observes in the cab in London that Lucy gets more and more like Charlotte every day, I was indignant at first, just like Lucy was, and wanted very much to dismiss the comment as nonsense.
But the remark is too important to the story, isn't it? Tell me if I am making more of the moment than it deserves, but to me it seems to point us to the fatal flaws of Lucy and Charlotte: they fool themselves; they manipulate people in covert ways; they won't let themselves trust their hearts... what else?
I like to look for the big lesson in movies and books. Lessons for me. In this movie my lesson has to do with self delusion, its dangers, how easy it can happen, how incidious it can be. And how it can multiply and fold in upon itself, causing a person to deny she is deluded!
In this way, the story is something like a lot of Austen's lessons. Emma's the queen of delusion. Lizzy judges too fast then holds too fast to her first impression.
Amy
Amy
Posted by Tommye on September 17, 1996 at 10:41:01:
After 8+ viewings of A&E's P&P, 6 of 95's "Persuasion," and 3 (going on 4) of "Sense & Sensibility," I have reached several conclusions. (1) I am addicted; (2) I am not ready to ask for help; (3) "but, I like 5 hour movies, and, anyway, it's not a movie, it's REAL!"(4)There are so many parallel themes and commonalities in these stories that one simply must conclude that Jane had an unresolved first encounter love and set about to reach acceptable closure time and again through fantasy, since her real encounter ended prematurely to her sorrow; (5) I love Jane's mind, wit and wish she were here today.
(6) I am torn. Mr. Darcy had my heart, but alas, I've become most fond of the military. The intensity of Capt. Wentworth has won me over; though, perhaps, Col. Brandon's sensitivity intrudes upon my once-impenetrable shell. Is there help for me?
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Posted by Tommye on September 17, 1996 at 10:56:13:
I, too, was rather disgusted with the Emmy's snub of P&P, since it was by far the best drama of the season. Those people are going to vote for only themselves and the productions that represent their ideas and values--such as their votes for the "Larry Sanders Show," a most profane entry. People who would vote for risque, profane vulgarities would find little pleasure in the elegant, well-mannered (albeit sensual) settings of P&P. Poo on them.
Posted by Laura on September 17, 1996 at 11:20:56:
I now know why I like these regency, renaissance, period films. Its the men. Men in the 1990s are not at all like the men during Austen's, Forster, Dickens, Bronte time. Arnessa you are so right when you said the scene in which George cathches Lucy when she faints. It was beautiful and well-timed. Chivalry is definitely dead. Men now only have one thing on their mind. And Steve is an attestation to that. His bio. Although it made for a good joke, I expected it from him. Why should he take women seriously. Although women during that time had little or no rights and men will argue that the reason men don't help women any more is because of the protestations they receive. Well Bucko!!! (I quoteth Richie Cunningham) I would most seriously love to have a man hold the door open for me. Buy me dinner. Grab me in the middle of the barley field and kiss me ever-so-passionately. Or I would love to have a battle of wits between the other sex. Just like Lizzy and Darcy. That was romance. That was
passion. Men don't understand women and women don't understand men. But if women told men yes we do like to doated on once in a while. I find myself opening doors for men. I know I am generalizing here and I hope I do not offend anyone. But I watch these movies because they are incredibly romantic. And we just don't have romance anymore. Laura
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Posted by Carolyn on September 17, 1996 at 13:12:43:
: I watched it all again last week (IMAGINE!!) with my sister and again enjoyed the scene with Lizzie and Lady C in the "prettish little park" - I forget how much fun this scene is to watch. I wish i could be such a quick thinker in an intense verbal exchange! To me, it shows AGAIN how strong Lizzie is - she is not to be intimidated! Or maybe she is intimidated, but she can handle it without losing her grace. I always wonder how much Lady C subconsciously really does like Miss Bennett - remember how she seeks Lizzie to stay at Rosings for another month complete and offers to take her to London - and is "quite put out" when SHE is refused. I suppose she is hardly ever refused anything. I like the irony in this - someone she herself chooses to single out as a "special" person turns out to also be the "special" choice of her dear nephew!! I also saw the scene i thought was in error again - with Lizzie reading Lydia's letter - i was TOTALLY backward!! I swear as many times as I have watched that scene, i thought it started in the bedroom - I guess when you are obsessed, things are not always very clear, no matter how often you see them!!!
: Sarah
I am a new fan of this page, and this is my first comment. I also like this scene but what I really would like to see is Lady C's visit to Darcy afterwards.
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Posted by Annie on September 17, 1996 at 13:38:51:
: I now know why I like these regency, renaissance, period films. Its the men. Men in the 1990s are not at all like the men during Austen's, Forster, Dickens, Bronte time. Arnessa you are so right when you said the scene in which George cathches Lucy when she faints. It was beautiful and well-timed. Chivalry is definitely dead. Men now only have one thing on their mind. And Steve is an attestation to that. His bio. Although it made for a good joke, I expected it from him. Why should he take women seriously. Although women during that time had little or no rights and men will argue that the reason men don't help women any more is because of the protestations they receive. Well Bucko!!! (I quoteth Richie Cunningham) I would most seriously love to have a man hold the door open for me. Buy me dinner. Grab me in the middle of the barley field and kiss me ever-so-passionately. Or I would love to have a battle of wits between the other sex. Just like Lizzy and Darcy. That was romance. That was
: passion. Men don't understand women and women don't understand men. But if women told men yes we do like to doated on once in a while. I find myself opening doors for men. I know I am generalizing here and I hope I do not offend anyone. But I watch these movies because they are incredibly romantic. And we just don't have romance anymore. Laura
: At long last, someone who believes the same thing I do! Chivalry is dead,
if any of the guys I've dated in the past have been any indication.
I, too, love period films. I have lost count of the number of times
I've seen Pride and Prejudice (all three versions, even if
the first two don't even compare to the final one) and every time
I see it I wish that men like Darcy existed in real life, in this time.
I guess it's never mean to be.
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Posted by eva on September 17, 1996 at 13:53:56:
the answer Tommye is... NO... you are a goner ;-)
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Posted by Laura on September 17, 1996 at 13:57:34:
: the answer Tommye is... NO... you are a goner ;-)
I think we are all goners. No zoloft, prozac, or shock therapy will help us.
Laura
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Posted by eva on September 17, 1996 at 14:02:36:
: I have been thinking of reading the recently published sequels to P&P. Has anyone read them? What are your thoughts? I have heard about them for a couple of years now (I think one came out as recently as 94 or 95 - not sure) and just hate to be disappointed in them.
Johanna, let me just say that...disappointment will be inevitable :-( i could barely sit through _Presumption_, the language was too simplistic and there didn't seem to be any further interesting development of our beloved characters (fyi the plot crisis was borrowed directly from JA's life!)..._Pemberley Shades_ was somewhat better for me, probably would have been more enjoyable had it been novel that stood on its own and not as P&P's sequel (just like how i feel about Alexandra Ripley's _Scarlett_). anyways, i found the attempt at completing _Sanditon_ by "Another Lady" to be pretty satisfying and am going to check out her stab at completing _The Watsons_. hope my two cents help :-)
-Eva
Posted by Laura on September 17, 1996 at 14:10:41:
: : I now know why I like these regency, renaissance, period films. Its the men. Men in the 1990s are not at all like the men during Austen's, Forster, Dickens, Bronte time. Arnessa you are so right when you said the scene in which George cathches Lucy when she faints. It was beautiful and well-timed. Chivalry is definitely dead. Men now only have one thing on their mind. And Steve is an attestation to that. His bio. Although it made for a good joke, I expected it from him. Why should he take women seriously. Although women during that time had little or no rights and men will argue that the reason men don't help women any more is because of the protestations they receive. Well Bucko!!! (I quoteth Richie Cunningham) I would most seriously love to have a man hold the door open for me. Buy me dinner. Grab me in the middle of the barley field and kiss me ever-so-passionately. Or I would love to have a battle of wits between the other sex. Just like Lizzy and Darcy. That was romance. That was
: : passion. Men don't understand women and women don't understand men. But if women told men yes we do like to doated on once in a while. I find myself opening doors for men. I know I am generalizing here and I hope I do not offend anyone. But I watch these movies because they are incredibly romantic. And we just don't have romance anymore. Laura
: : At long last, someone who believes the same thing I do! Chivalry is dead,
: if any of the guys I've dated in the past have been any indication.
: I, too, love period films. I have lost count of the number of times
: I've seen Pride and Prejudice (all three versions, even if
: the first two don't even compare to the final one) and every time
: I see it I wish that men like Darcy existed in real life, in this time.
: I guess it's never mean to be.
I think that we need to tell men how to act. If we explain to them or forcibly make them watch Pride & Prejudice and say "You know, that is exactly how a man should be." Now he may come along and say "But they were nerds, they didn't know any better." "Ah, but they did." I say "which is why these people really fell in love because there was MUTUAL Respect." and he says "that's for sissy's." and I say "which is why you'll never get IT!!!!!" Men need to be put in there place. They think women need it. But once their testosterone rises forget it they all become pigs. Mr Darcy would never say "your place or mine"(or Pemberley or Longbourne). No he would quietly stare out the window longing, gazing, wanting, needing, but knowing that the time is not right for him to make a move. But I must remember that when his T.... does rise he falls flat on his face, but he learns from his mistake. Most men never do. Oh boy, I'm starting to feel sorry for the inferior sex (men). They really are clueless. Now how many women have friends whose husbands are just wonderful. I think we all have a friend like that right. But is he really wonderful. Or that your friend has never read Austen so has no clue how women should be treated. I can totally identify with Anne Elliot. I am 28 y.o. single, mom of a beautiful 5 y.o. Was in a relationship for 10 years WITH a CREEP. He had no clue so finally I said see ya. (best thing I ever did) Now I'm not quite looking for Prince Charming or Prince Charles for that fact I want a decent man who knows Austen. Sorry for the rambling. Laura
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Posted by eva on September 17, 1996 at 14:21:39:
: Lorraine said:
: >>: I love to laugh at Mr. Collins - the line "he oiled his way across the floor" goes
: : through my mind while I watch him!
: Did he also ooze charm from every pour? And hwen at last the dance was done, did he glower as if he knew he'd won? And with a voice too eager and a smile too broad, did he announce to the hostess that she was a fraud?
a-ha!! excellent, excellent reference! couldn't quite figure out the "oiled" allusion, and here i've been listening to Henry and Eliza on the cd for some time now...DUH!
Posted by Amy on September 17, 1996 at 15:29:37:
Laura said:
>> Chivalry is definitely dead. Men now only have one thing on their mind. And Steve is an attestation to that. His bio. Although it made for a good joke, I expected it from him.
Here's my take on Steve. Some of us were sort of flirting with him and he tested the waters. I admire us for not encouraging his more suggestive remarks. I did like his other banter.
>> But if women told men yes we do like to doated on once in a while. I find myself opening doors for men. I know I am generalizing here and I hope I do not offend anyone.
I consider myself a feminist and am not offended, though I can't quite agree with everything you say. Doted on? I don't know, for me. Adored, maybe. I like the way the Austen characters express their love: "the greatest admiration and regard"..."greatly esteem him"...
I love the manners in Austen. But don't you think manners are mostly an outward reflection of showing concern and respect? In these times, we don't have to bother with expecting a guy to walk nearest the street to shield us from mud splashes from carriage wheel. We should expect anybody -- man, woman or child -- who values us to pay us certain contemporary courtesies:
-- Listen when I am talking
-- Don't keep me waiting
-- Return my calls
-- Return my books
Amy
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Posted by Carolyn on September 17, 1996 at 15:31:49:
: I have been thinking of reading the recently published sequels to P&P. Has anyone read them? What are your thoughts? I have heard about them for a couple of years now (I think one came out as recently as 94 or 95 - not sure) and just hate to be disappointed in them.
: BTW didn't rent ARWAV, but saw it a few years ago. M/I do wonderful things, it's always a pleasure to see English countryside through their eyes.
I read Pemberly right after I finished reading P&P for the first time. It was a big disappointment. Her characterizations of Elizabeth and Darcy do not match with Austen's view of them (Elizabeth seems to have no sens of humor!), and she kills off Mr. Bennett, who is one of my favorite characters.
: I ended up watching "The Nun's Story" with Audrey Hepburn. Ah yes, when my sister and I first saw it as little kids (rerun on TV, it came out before we were born), we insisted that my Mom dress us up in homemade habits, a hoot!
: As an aside, this is how addicted I am, in the scene where she is about to leave her family to head off to the convent, the audience can hear her father fingering a tune on the piano down in the living room. And waddayaknow! It's the same tune Lizzy played/sang at Pemberley, an aria from "The Marriage of Figaro," how fun!
: Johanna
Posted by Janice on September 17, 1996 at 15:35:15:
No, there is no cure. Don't even bother to seek help.
This addiction is the sweetest thing I have done to my soul.
At least, for a few hours, I have myself believed that not all men are pigs.
I have view 10+ times of P&P, Persuasion.....who's counting?
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