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In Reply to: Beethoven but not a sonata posted by Amy on September 10, 1996 at 17:25:14:
: Told you you shouldn't count on it. It's Beethoven. I looked up Doug's post and have asked permission to repost it.
: Not sonata #23 as previously reported either. Not a sonata or a Bagatelle or anything else. Just plain old Andante in F (or Favori).
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: Amy
Thanks SO much for the info! I'm rather new to
the internet, and this has proved my most
rewarding experiece so far.
I would like to thank you for your thoughts on Emma. I plan to see the movie on Thursday.
I am a huge fan of P&P and am very happy to have found this club.
P&P is such a great movie and I'm glad that others share my opinion.
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In Reply to: Re: Carl Davis a stilted actor posted by Marla on September 11, 1996 at 09:58:34:
: Marla writes:
: You may have a point, but as someone who has played piano for years, I've come to realize that for those who have never taken lessons, pretty much everything sounds good!.
...which probably applies to Darcy, as well, who finds nothing wanting in Lizzie's performance at Rosings.
: But that's why I think Carl Davis prepped these musical pieces in the way that he did. The "Georgiana slip" in particular may have sounded phony and planned to you - but I think he did that intentionally...to make the emphasize the moment and to make it very obvious that she was distracted while playing.
I agaree.
: But in general, I wasn't impressed with Carl Davis' musical interpretation on the whole.
I *disagree*! In fact, I will admit to sitting in front of my TV watching the video with an electronic keyboard in my lap trying to pick out the themes by ear. I'd love to know whether any of it has been published in sheet music, and if so, how to obtain it.
: I mean, I was especially turned off in the "Darcy takes a dip" scene. Listen to the music in that clip! It is rising and sounds strained - which produces an atmosphere of tension. I thought for a moment Darcy was going to commit suicide!
Well, he *was* full of tension with his "I *will* conquer this" struggle, and Colin acted it that way, as well, which fits into Carl's description of how he created the original music while watching a time-coded video, deciding along with the producer and director where it should start and stop and what it should reflect.
: But then he recovers in the next bar and returns to the "happy theme" that he seems to employ throughout the show.
...as Darcy who is now looking more relaxed after his swim walks unsuspectingly toward the house (if Darcy could only *hear* the music, he'd have been warned...), and we see Lizzie (whose theme that is, I think) walking unsuspectingly down toward the lake... Actually, that's one of my favorite music sequences!
: The dances and piano music I had no problem with. But IMHO his original music didn't always fit. Even check out the opening theme as the credits roll - to me it sounds like 3 other pieces of music stuck together!
It *is* three pieces of music - or rather three of the main themes - the Elizabeth theme, the Darcy theme (which often has the hunting horns in it) and what Davis describes as the sensible-match-vs-affairs-of-the-heart theme. And isn't it quite common for "overture" music to contain a medly of several of the main themes? [Can you tell that that is another of my favorites? ;-) ]
Anyone know of any Carl Davis links?
Joan,too
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In Reply to: Re: See a movie posted by Laura on September 11, 1996 at 09:21:34:
: Ooooh, I just loved a Room with a View, As I absolutely adore Rupert Graves!!(no I still have a huge spot in my heart for Colin Firth!!). Rupert Graves is just sooooo young looking in this flick and Helena Bonham-Carter (Crispins cousin) is also in it.
: Laura
I also adored "A Room with a View". Fantastic scenaries. My heart just stopped when Julian Sand kissed Helena B-C on the hill in Italy.
Could someone tell me the name of the song, you know the famous one, you hear it all the time on TV commercials. Is it in Tosca by Puccini (sp?)?
Newbee
In Reply to: Re: Carl Davis a stilted actor posted by Joan,too on September 11, 1996 at 21:49:40:
In my first posting, I said:
: I mean, I was especially turned off in the "Darcy takes a dip" scene. Listen to the music in that clip! It is rising and sounds
strained - which produces an atmosphere of tension. I thought for a moment Darcy was going to commit suicide!
and Joan responded with:
Well, he *was* full of tension with his "I *will* conquer this" struggle, and Colin acted it that way, as well, which fits into
Carl's description of how he created the original music while watching a time-coded video, deciding along with the producer
and director where it should start and stop and what it should reflect.
: But then he recovers in the next bar and returns to the "happy theme" that he seems to employ throughout the show.
...as Darcy who is now looking more relaxed after his swim walks unsuspectingly toward the house (if Darcy could only
*hear* the music, he'd have been warned...), and we see Lizzie (whose theme that is, I think) walking unsuspectingly down
toward the lake... Actually, that's one of my favorite music sequences!
Okay Joan...here's how I see it:
I can see your POV regarding Davis' music reflecting Darcy's "inner torment". However, not to be nitpicky,
but at the moment of his swim - he looked pretty impassive. And even a bit more relaxed than he usually was.
When using music, you've GOT to take into consideration the setting as well as the characters.
Using that type of musical device (heightening in the treble) will make a listener
think that something BIG is going to happen - something climactic. Taking a swim to me doesn't qualify
as climactic!
Anyway, it's a small point - but it just didn't sit well with me.
As for my comment about the main theme - I meant to say that it reminded me of 3 other
compositions by other musicians!
In Reply to: Re: emma posted by Ramona on September 11, 1996 at 19:52:17:
: : Has anyone seen Emma and what did you think of the movie?
: I have viewed it twice. I can't help but smile through much of the movie. It is so funny, well-done and romantic. I also love the colors used in the movie and the whole look.
I saw it twice, too. I was more attentive in details for the second time. You know those looks by Emma, Frank, Mr. Knightly, etc. :) :)
: Jeremy Northam and Gwyneth Paltrow are wonderful and the rest of the cast is good too.
First I didn't find Jeremy Northam charming enough to be teamed up with Gwyneth Paltrow. But I changed my mind as the movie progressed. Rember in the archery scene, his remark of "Try not to kill my dogs" with a teasing look !!!! And when Mrs. Elton tells him "Knightly, help her," he got kind of a confused but sympathetic look. And when he scolds Emma after the strawberry-picking picnic, "Badly done, Emma, badly done!" in a powerful voice... He's good.
He is indeed "the thinking woman's pin-up." :) :)
Newbee.
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In Reply to: Re: Thanks posted by Marla on September 10, 1996 at 15:18:41:
I believe everything everyone says about how wonderful the book is, but still I hesistate. I admit, I'm a teeny bit of a romantic and don't like to step backstage and have my illusions dispelled. But I think I will eventually have to buy the book, if only to look at more pictures of Colin Firth.
-Arnessa
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In Reply to: BIOS: questions for your consideration posted by Ramona on September 08, 1996 at 15:11:13:
: Here is the promised questions for your consideration. I will followup with my own answers.
: 1) Name- Arnessa
: 2) Occupation- Copy editor at major metropolitan daily newspaper. But (whine) I wanna be a reporter!
: 3) When you first saw P&P2- When it first aired in January.
: 4) How did you find out about it?- Not surprisingly, in the newspaper.
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?- I've been a Jane Austen fanatic since high school.
: 6) Have you read the original novel?- Many, many, many, many, many times.
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?- Both.
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.) Lydia. I wished I had her laugh. I sorta was a little upset with JA after I saw the movie, because she treats Lydia so unfeelingly. Austen never told us how much fun Lydia could be. In the book, she's only a nuisance. In the film, she's a nuisance but a very entertaining one at times. I loved her bawdy humor. Best Lydia lines:"I don't envy Charlottle Lucas in the slightest. Imagine wanting to marry a clergyman! He'll be reading to her from Fordyce's Sermons every night - before they go to bed."
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence- It's gotta be Darcy and Lizzy's dance at Netherfield That scene was so perfect. I would have forgiven them if they had to destroy rainforests and torture bunnies to do it.
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)- The Netherfield supper, of course. And Mrs. Bennet's trip to Netherfield. I start to get jumpy every time she approaches earshot of Darcy. But surprisingly - after many, many, many, many viewings - the scene that gives me not only uneasiness but downright displeasure is the first proposal rejection scene. It's so distressing to see my idols Darcy and Lizzie both behaving so badly. I swear, if I switch the tape off at that scene, I'm in a bad mood all day.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- Clueless(****), P&P1(*1/2), NA(*), Emma(**), S&S(***) RATING SYSTEM (reflects how well I think it captures Austen mood): ****perfectly!!! ***more success than failure **more failure than success *not even close (Note: P&P2 is off the scale. It captured mood I didn't even realize was there.)
: 12)Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)- I love to read, to write letters, to TRAVEL or think about it. (I watch the Travel Channel constantly when I'm not watching P&P2). My other favorite author is Dostoevsky.
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In Reply to: Re: Lizzie's musical talents posted by Amy on September 11, 1996 at 06:56:20:
Glad to see the graphic up again! Admiring it was a pleasure of mine most definitely suspended when it was gone.
Arnessa.
In Reply to: See a movie "together?" posted by Amy on September 10, 1996 at 22:21:35:
: Anyone interested in watching a movie virtually together over the weekend, and talking about it next week?
: I'm open for suggestions but here are some ideas:
:
: Amy
Let's see The Razor's Edge. Is it based on the novel by W. Somerset Maugham? I read it a while ago, but I didn't know there was a movie. And Maugham was a great fan of Austen, you know. Though he did say he didn't think
Austen had the capacity to "really love," whatever that means. I'll watch whatever, though. This sounds fun.
-Arnessa
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In Reply to: Wish for more Mr Bennet posted by Amy on September 11, 1996 at 13:05:28:
: Quite a few people have said they adore Mr Bennet. Me too. Someone pointed out the scene where Mrs Bennet expects Mr Bennet to insist upon Lizzy marrying Mr Collins.
: Know what I would like to have seen included? The part of that scene where Mr Bennet orders her out of his study. His need to be sequestered is brought out in the series a couple of times (ie "Close the door, Lizzy" and "Your mother keeps to her room, does she? It makes our misfortune so elegant"). I would love to have seen Mr Collins annoying Mr Bennet by hanging around in the study too. No, maybe I couldn't have borne it.
: Amy
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: Wish. Hmm. That's a nice word. Maybe our green ought to be called Wish Green, the color is so full of promise and wistful.
: Wistful and full of promise. Hmm. Good phrase for a pretentious dreamer character to say about a wine.
OOH, OOH, I just love Mr Bennet. I thought he was the funniest character in the book. The Austen-L called him misogynistic. I say boohoo. Okay so he didn't prepare for his daughters but they married well anyway. I was upset that Darcy asking Mr Bennet for Lizzy's hand never made it to the film. I would have loved to have seen his reaction. My favorite part in the whole book is when he tell Lizzy that she will have to choose between her parents. I laugh every time I read that. Benjamin Whitrow who portrayed Mr Bennet, was perfectly cast. He is soooo cute too.
I love Mr Bennet. I love how he treats his wife, with that cantakerous contempt, because he married a most silly woman. Laura
If you had trouble posting or even getting in here late last night and early this morning,
it was not the fault of your home receiver.
I think the Bluemarble server must have been down most of the night.
Amy
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In Reply to: On the fence posted by Arnessa on September 12, 1996 at 00:19:49:
I urge anyone who's on the fence to buy the book!
It's very good, with lots of pictures and behind
the scenes stories, such as regarding continuity,
each time a dinner scene was filmed, all the wine
glasses were photographed, so that they would be
at the same level for the next shot! I was
impressed with that much attention to detail.
In Reply to: Re: Darcy's First Name posted by Newbee fan of JA on September 10, 1996 at 19:04:22:
I noticed in the book that Bingley's sisters called
him by his first name (Charles), but I agree, I'd
rather call him "Darcey" than "Fitzwilliam".
In Reply to: Re: Darcy's First Name posted by Anna-Karin schander on September 10, 1996 at 18:40:33:
Anna-Karin speculated:
: Maybe she calls him Mr Darcy when they are totally alone together in their bedchamber.......;)
: (Exuse my dirty mind)
Consider yourself exused.
Or alternatively, perhaps she calls 'it' Mr. Fitzwilliam....
;()
Egads, I fear banishment to time-out for that randy one.
Steve
In Reply to: See a movie "together?" posted by Amy on September 10, 1996 at 22:21:35:
: I'm open for suggestions but here are some ideas:
:
What? You mean you're related to John Irving [snicker] and didn't mention "The World According To Garp" or "Hotel New Hampshire"?
What was the one produced after "Room ...", with Emma Thompson and Anthony Hopkins? Named after a country house (?)
What about "Shadowlands"?
Allergies hit me big time two days ago, so the last thing I need is another round of "...Tides". :(
Nice idea, Amy ...kind of a late-90s cyber thing to do.
[apologizing in advance]
On the topic of movies:
Q: What do you a call a XXX-rated movie that flushes out all your suppressed guilts and inhibitions?
A: Sin-enema
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