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In Reply to: Re: Dance Scene posted by Laura on September 10, 1996 at 11:08:51:
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: One more time the big dance withe Lizzy and Darcy is Mr Beveridge's Maggot. Boy maybe they should just re-release the record that way everyone would know it. Personally I would not mind learning the dance it does look like fun. And for really astute Austen fans it is the same dance in the new Emma with Jeremy Northam and Gywneth Paltrow. They do the same dance but more lighter.
: Laura
I found Gwyneth Paltrow's dancing posture and movements to be somewhat awkward.
What is the dance step/movement called? Was that popular during the Regency period?
Newbee.
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In Reply to: Re: Darcy's First Name posted by Anna-Karin schander on September 10, 1996 at 18:40:33:
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: : : I wonder whether Lizzy ever called Mr. Darcy by his first name (of course after the marriage). "My dear Fitzwilliam, ...." !! :)
: : : I like Lizzy addressing him "Mr. Darcy" with British accent.
: : None of the other married couples addressed each other by their
: I think Lizzy probably adressed him with Darcy or Fitzwilliam.
: In the book jane calls Bingley,Bingley when she spaks about him
: to Lizzy after their engagementWhat she calls him face to face is not said.
: Darcy calls Lizzy elisabeth after their engagement.
: Anyway Darcy is easier to say than Fitzwilliam so I hope she calls him that.
: Maybe she calls him Mr Darcy when they are totally alone together in their bedchamber.......;)
: (Exuse my dirty mind)
Naughty, naughty!! :)
It seems that in those days first-name calling (or Christian-name calling) was permissible in the intimate relationships, such as engaged couples, good friends, etc.
Plus your family, of course.
Newbee.
In Reply to: Re: I'm a NEW fan!! P&P omitted scenes questtions & other observations, etc. posted by Joan, too on September 08, 1996 at 23:07:03:
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: I agree! I read somewhere, though, that the screenwriter had explained the omission by saying that in film, once the romantic interests have finally got together it's best to end as quickly as possible. In most cases this is true - especially when writing one from scratch, but I would have preferred to have had an exception made in this case.
: : BTW, is Collin Firth the actor Collin Firth who played Rupert Everett's best friend in Another Country?
: The very one.
: Joan, too
I didn't even connect the Another Country's Colin Firth being full of boyish charm and the P&P's Colin Firth with penetrating dark eyes and being "handsomer than Mr. Bingley."
Did he dye his hair dark for this character or it's a wig? As I recall his natural hair was not so wavy as Mr. Darcy's. Moreover, his appearance besides hairstyle was completely (to me at least) altered. Astonishing!!
Newbee.
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In Reply to: Heartfelt delight posted by Arnessa on September 09, 1996 at 00:35:40:
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: : I agree about the smile - I found Collin's reaction disappointing, too.
: : Chapter 58: "Had Elizabeth been able to encounter his eye, she might have seen how well the expression of hearfelt delight, diffused over his face, became him..."
: : Joan, too
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: I saw his heartfelt delight! Firth looked like he was just about to burst with joy.
I agree. Also, given the way Colin/Darcy framed his second proposal.. so much fear of being hurt again -
He was obviously steeling himself for another refusal. In fact, he seemed to be physically pulling back, as
if expecting a blow. I think self-contained shock and joy coming to his
face so gradually was exactly the right way to play the moment.
Dolores
The monetary unit one pound in that era is equivalent to how much of todays US dollars?
Does anybody have any idea?
Newbee.
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In Reply to: Re: Jane Austen Page Links posted by Amy on September 09, 1996 at 16:08:23:
: Mary,
: You are probably referring to Henry's page, link below. In addition to the messages here, which will go away, there are two permanent references: the links page and FAQ, both accessible via links near the top of the main page here.
: Isn't Lady Susan just the nastiest? Joan Collins -- though geting old -- ought to play her, don't you think?
: Amy
:
Do you know any newsgroups or discussion groups relating to JA's works?? I read somewhere there was. The on-line article quoted the "discussion group" member's remark, "Water, water everywhere - not a drop of Miss Lizzy ... " Thanks in advance.
Newbee.
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In Reply to: Looking for the book posted by ph on September 10, 1996 at 18:43:17:
: Please help! I'm trying to locate the book "Making of Pride and
: Prejudice" but no bookstores in my city can order it.
: I've heard its great, any suggestions? Thanks
You can order it from JABooks. The email and address is in the FAQ list on this site.
In Reply to: Question : P&P versions posted by Newbee fan of JA on September 10, 1996 at 18:34:32:
: Different versions of P&P are discussed in this group. I understand P&P2 is the most recent version Mr. Darcy played by C. Firth. Some posts mentioned about P&P0 and P&P3. How many P&P screen adaptations are there, and which one is which? Thank you in advance.
: Newbee
Check out the FAQ list on this site. Also of interest is the Jane Austen Info Page maintained by Henry Churchyard. That site has a link to information on all the film adaptations of Jane Austen's works.
In Reply to: Re: A&E re-cablecast plus question about Emma posted by Ramona on September 09, 1996 at 19:58:22:
: Kate Beckinsale (Hero in Much Ado About Nothing, and Flora in the new film--Cold Comfort Farm) will play Emma. Maybe A&E or the BBC sites have other cast information available. I will check them out.
Thanks for the info. I checked both the A&E and BBC sites on this topic, but found none. Maybe I wasn't looking at the right place. Do you have any info. on net discussion groups/newsgroups about Jane Austen's works (besides AUSTEN-L list)?
Newbee
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I called A & E and was told P & P will be rerun beginning Nov. 6th,
7:00 - 8:00 a.m. EST, for 6 consecutive Wednesdays. I was assured
it will be commercial free. I can hardly wait to tape it again --
My present tape is showing wear and tear!
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In Reply to: P & P Reruns posted by Chris on September 10, 1996 at 20:07:11:
: I called A & E and was told P & P will be rerun beginning Nov. 6th,
: 7:00 - 8:00 a.m. EST, for 6 consecutive Wednesdays. I was assured
: it will be commercial free. I can hardly wait to tape it again --
: My present tape is showing wear and tear!
In Reply to: P & P Reruns posted by Chris on September 10, 1996 at 20:07:11:
: I called A & E and was told P & P will be rerun beginning Nov. 6th,
: 7:00 - 8:00 a.m. EST, for 6 consecutive Wednesdays. I was assured
: it will be commercial free. I can hardly wait to tape it again --
: My present tape is showing wear and tear!
Yeah, but on the Pacific coast that's 4 AM! :-( That will mean getting some commercials at the beginning and end of each episode to make sure that the timer gets everything.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Mr. Darcy's Ten-thousand Pounds a Year Income posted by Newbee fan of JA on September 10, 1996 at 19:27:33:
Newbee asked
: The monetary unit one pound in that era is equivalent to how much of todays US dollars?
: Does anybody have any idea?
I've heard estimates anywhere from about $200,000 to a million annually. The high end I think is based on the value of gold or silver. I can't buy Darcy shelling out a million to buy off Wickham.
Wealth in Austen novels runs high, according to some members of AUSTEN-L. Though I seem to recall Barry Lyndon marrying into some 30,000 a year. Fancy that Lizzie.
Amy
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Dance Scene posted by Amy on September 10, 1996 at 12:08:35:
: : Kathy
: : >>Can someone shed some light on the conversasion between Darcy and Lizzie there "This is no very striking resemblence to your own character" ? On A&E it seems like an insult, but this couple is on their own wavelength and I have trouble with much of their conversation (as do some of the characters appear to as well).
: Amy
: The explanation that made most sense to me was that Darcy, in saying "no striking resemblance..." was responding to Lizzie's "We have each of us a taciturn..." He was wryly giving the expected polite rebuttal to her assertion that she claimed an unsocial and taciturn disposition.
Yes, in direct response to "We have each of us a taciturn...", and probably in indirect response to the exchange that they had previously at Netherfield when Jane was sick, in which she told him that his fault was a propensity to hate everyone.
Colin's comments on this scene in the book "The Making of..." in which he says, "She'll say something that stings him, and he has an entire eight-step circle to do before he is permitted to respond. .....he's pursuing and rejecting Elizabeth at the same time." (Get the book!) :-)
Joan, too
In Reply to: Re: A&E re-cablecast ... JA newsgroups/discussion groups info wanted. posted by Newbee fan of JA on September 10, 1996 at 20:00:31:
: Newbee
: I checked both the A&E and BBC sites on this topic, but found none.
They don't have anything up on it yet, and probably won't till shortly before they show it, but they *did* run promos for it during the August re-broadcast.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Re: I'm [snipped] - That's Colin Firth! posted by Newbee fan of JA on September 10, 1996 at 19:18:41:
: Newbee
: Did he dye his hair dark for this character or it's a wig?
Yep - dyed his and made Jennifer wear a wig. Read all about it in "The Making of..." ;-)
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In Reply to: Re: A&E re-cablecast ... JA newsgroups/discussion groups info wanted. posted by Newbee fan of JA on September 10, 1996 at 20:00:31:
Do you have any info. on net discussion groups/newsgroups about Jane Austen's works (besides AUSTEN-L list)?
Firthlist discusses Austen. Misc.writing had quite a heated discussion back in the winter. I seem to recall that one of the commercial online services (ie AOL, Compuserve or something) had a group, but I could be dreaming.
Amy
Anyone interested in watching a movie virtually together over the weekend, and talking about it next week?
I'm open for suggestions but here are some ideas:
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: Lizzie's musical talents posted by Amy on September 10, 1996 at 18:13:11:
: Many more meetings between the Bingleys/Darcy and the Bennets were either described or implied in the book. At least one dinner, for example, was not shown, but was obliquely referred to when Lizzie told Jane she bet Bingley would be back and dining at Longbourn within a fortnight.
: Amy
No, that dinner was speculation on Elizabeth's part, assuming Bingley's love for Jane would overcome any machinations that his sisters may have to break off his attentions. So, there was nothing in the book (or show) left out, because that dinner never, in fact took place, Jane received further news that the Bingleys would stay on in London with no plans to return, thus curtailing the dinner Elizabeth had anticipated. I really can't recall any circumstance in which Darcy would have heard Elizabeth play prior to Rosings. Certainly Mary was no advertisement of the Bennet girls musical skills! Well, more correct: Singing voices!
Johanna
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In Reply to: Re: Lizzie's musical talents posted by Johanna on September 11, 1996 at 01:59:55:
: : : Sarah
: : : I can't remember if we have talked about this before - when did Darcy ever hear Lizzie play and sing prior to the mini concert at Rosings? Col Fitzwilliam greets her at their first meeting at the Collins with "I understand you sing AND play" - how did he know? Was it just heresay like when Caroline "duck face" Bingley tells Darcy in the scene after dinner at Pemberly something about how they had heard of Lizzie's beauty before they arrived.
: : Amy
: : Many more meetings between the Bingleys/Darcy and the Bennets were either described or implied in the book. At least one dinner, for example, was not shown, but was obliquely referred to when Lizzie told Jane she bet Bingley would be back and dining at Longbourn within a fortnight.
: Johanna
: No, that dinner was speculation on Elizabeth's part, assuming Bingley's love for Jane would overcome any machinations that his sisters may have to break off his attentions. So, there was nothing in the book (or show) left out, because that dinner never, in fact took place, Jane received further news that the Bingleys would stay on in London with no plans to return, thus curtailing the dinner Elizabeth had anticipated. I really can't recall any circumstance in which Darcy would have heard Elizabeth play prior to Rosings.
The time it would most likely have taken place would have been while Jane was sick at Netherfield - in the book they stay several more days than in the film and Lizzie endurees several more uncomfortable evenings in the society of Darcy and the Bingley sisters, but it could have been just hearsay, too, since someone ("duck face" after raving about Georgiana's accomplishments?) did ask her whether she played and sang, and she replied that she did, but very ill.
But the film's script and/or continuity person appear to have been confused about this, too, since after Lizzie and the Gardiners leave Pemberly following the scene in which Lizzie does sing and play, Caroline carries on criticising Lizzie at length and says (incorrectly) that she does recall Darcy "one evening after they's been dining at Netherfield, saying 'She a beauty? I'd as soon call her mother a wit'". Well, that conversation actually took place after they had attended the Assembly in Meryton, not after they had dined at Netherfield, so it appears that there is some impression that they had had the Bennets to dinner at some time, and that the Bennets had plans to reciprocate when the Netherfield party suddenly left for London.
Joan, too
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