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In Reply to: Re: Dance Scene posted by Laura on September 10, 1996 at 11:08:51:
: One more time the big dance withe Lizzy and Darcy is Mr Beveridge's Maggot.
I guess that is my cue to make the matter an FAQ (singular).
In Reply to: Re: Dance Scene posted by kathy on September 10, 1996 at 09:49:12:
Kathy asked:
Does anyone know the music at : the big dance scene with Lizzie and Darcy
Posted by Amy on August 31, 1996 at 21:01:55:
Reposted from the Austen-L list with Beverly's permission:
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:06:45 -0400
From: Beverly Francis <BHFrancis@AOL.COM>
Subject: "Mr. Beveridge's Maggot" and Other Country DancesThere have been several recent inquiries about "Mr. Beveridge's Maggot" and
country dance style. Readers in North America may be interested to know that
the Country Dance and Song Society is an excellent source of information and
materials about English and American music and dance. The Society is an
umbrella group for numerous local dance groups in the US and Canada. You can
find out if there is country dancing in your area by contacting CDSS at 17
New South Street, Northampton, MA 01060. Telephone: (413) 584-9913. CDSS
maintains a web page at http://www.cdss.org.Mr. Beveridge was a dancing master active in London in the 1690's and early
1700's. "Mr. Beveridge's Maggot" is a whim or fancy in his honor, although
it is not known whether he actually composed the dance. The music is written
in 3/2 time, a fairly common time signature for that period. Dancers would
take three steps to each bar of music, but the steps are very smooth and
even, which is quite different from the "long-short-short" steps of the 3/4
time waltz of the 19th century. There are at least two modern
interpretations of the Playford notation that are taught to country dance
groups today. The choreography seen in PP3 is an adaptation fairly close to
what you would see danced recreationally today. The dance version in the
current "Emma" starts out fairly recognizably, but then takes a distinctly
theatrical turn as Emma and Mr. Knightley continually cast around the other
couples to reach the bottom of the set. I can imagine why a modern
theatrical choreographer would want to stage "Mr. Beveridge's Maggot,"
because the dance firgures and the tune are both very elegant, but I wonder
of a dance from 1695 would have been likely to be popular in the Regency
period. Dance tunes and figures went through just as many evolutions of
style and fashion as other forms of popular culture, and hundreds of new
dances were published every year. In PP3 we saw Elizabeth dance "Shrewsbury
Lasses" with Mr. Collins. This is a dance from 1765 (popular today in a
slightly different form). The dance done by Lydia and friends in the
backgound at the Lucas party is recognizable as "Pleasures of the Town" from
the same time period. Both of these dances have tunes and choreography much
more typical of the late 18th century than "Mr. Beveridge."None of the recent film adaptations have shown how a formal ball would start
with the minuet, a rigidly formal couple dance with elaborately controlled
footwork and choreography, performed one couple at a time and sometimes
lasting as long as two hours. The minuet would be likely to be followed by
cotillions, usually in square sets (the predecessors of quadrilles and modern
square dances). Then country dances in longways sets "for as many as will"
would follow. A ball often finished with the dance "Sir Roger De Coverley,"
which survives today in a more rambunctious form as the "Virginia Reel."I wonder if there is someone on the listserv who can help me untangle the
choreography of the "Boulangere" (the dance mentioned in Jane Austen's
letters and by Mrs. Bennet in description of the Meryton Assembly)?Beverly Francis
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In Reply to: BIOS: questions for your consideration posted by Ramona on September 08, 1996 at 15:11:13:
: Here is the promised questions for your consideration. I will followup with my own answers.
: 1) Name-Sarah Wyatt
: 2) Occupation-Audiologist
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-Jan 1996
: 4) How did you find out about it?my mother the English teacher
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?i am a hopeless romantic
: 6) Have you read the original novel?yes
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?after
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)I liked Mrs. B - i think she did a great portrayal of the obnoxious mother role. I also think Mr. Collins was excellent - as bad as he got on your nerves he was a very good geet. I rather like Bingley too, though i know many of you thought him too sappy - i think he had to be sappy to play the role like Jane wrote it - kind of weak and manageable, but definately nice. I also thought Col Fitzwilliam was pretty cute.(you can tell this is a hard ques for me - what can i say - i am an addict!)
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence i love the surprise scene at Pemberly - whoever said "Firth -WET- " my sentiments exactly! But, it was also the turning point of his attitude which i had been dying for, so satisfying in more ways than one. I also like the fencing scene "I will beat this" or something to that effect. I liked alot of the exchanges between Lizzie and Jane - especially when they are staying at Netherfield and Lizzie is getting ready to go down for supper - they are so very gracious to each other - I liked their devotion to each other.One more, I loved it after the supper at Pemberly and the favorite "LOOK" when Darcy comes back in and is confronted with Caroline's pettiness and jealousy - he puts her in her place as only a real gentleman could.
ch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-the supper at Netherfield Ball - how horrifying Mrs. B was - also poor Mary's desperate need for attn!
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-Persuasion, Emma, Sense and Sensibility, P&P0
: 12)Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-I married last Nov so my husbund had approx 2 months free of Mr. Darcy - poor man, he will be the best of gentlemen before i get done with him - whenever we have a questionable disagreement I just say "what do you think Mr. Darcy would do?" This tends to only vex him more, but it is such fun sporting with him this way - maybe just my imagination, but he really DOES seem more gentlemanly than ever!
In Reply to: Dance Scene posted by Kathy on September 10, 1996 at 09:40:13:
Kathy
>>Can someone shed some
: light on the conversasion between Darcy and Lizzie
: there "This is no very striking resemblence to your
: own character" ? On A&E it seems like an insult,
: but this couple is on their own wavelength and I
: have trouble with much of their conversation
: (as do some of the characters appear to as well).
This was discussed 2-3 weeks ago on the AUSTEN-L list. You might try searching using the instructions on Henry's page, which is linked from the links page here.
I don't read every word of AUSTEN-L anymore. The digest takes an hour to read. But I skim once in a while and did pay some attention to this topic because I never quite got it myself. The explanation that made most sense to me was that Darcy, in saying "no striking resemblance..." was responding to Lizzie's "We have each of us a taciturn..." He was wryly giving the expected polite rebuttal to her assertion that she claimed an unsocial and taciturn disposition.
Amy
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In Reply to: Happy Birthday to Colin Firth posted by Laura on September 10, 1996 at 10:59:36:
Yes, a very Happy Birthday to Colin Firth. Not only
is he gorgeous but he CAN ACT!! He's terrific!!
In Reply to: Happy Birthday to Colin Firth posted by Laura on September 10, 1996 at 10:59:36:
Friends of Firth have a birthday card up on the site today. Link below:
In Reply to: BIOS: questions for your consideration posted by Ramona on September 08, 1996 at 15:11:13:
: Here is the promised questions for your consideration. I will followup with my own answers.
: 1) Name-Lorraine Charron
: 2) Occupation-Secretary at University of Victoria, Canada
: 3) When you first saw P&P2- August 1996
: 4) How did you find out about it? From A&E ads - tried to watch
it when it first was aired, but didn't tape it correctly, so had to
wait until rebroadcast.
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? I had heard it was good and I
like period stuff. Also, have been intending to see Sense and Sensibility
(but haven't yet).
: 6) Have you read the original novel? Yes
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? Read it a couple of
days after seeing the movie.
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
I love to laugh at Mr. Collins - the line "he oiled his way across the floor" goes
through my mind while I watch him!
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence - Most definitely the chance meeting at Pemberley - I felt
embarrassed for Lizzy, but glad that Darcy could run fast enough to
stop the carriage!!
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
I feel embarassed for Lizzy in the scene at Netherfield where Caroline Bingeley asks
Lizzy to "take a turn around the floor - it's so refreshing" - it's also so obvious that
she wanted Darcy to notice her!
: 11) Other Austen films viewed- none, yet.
: 12)Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
I am from the west coast of Canada - wonder how many others are from Canada,
U.S., England, other places. Age - not yet forty and three.
In Reply to: Re: Thanks posted by Karen on September 09, 1996 at 09:28:41:
Karen:
I think I was the one who was over-hyping it...and I'm glad that you got your own
copy!
Definitely a keeper...It's almost like having the entire miniseries on paper!
(I said almost!!).
Glad that you're enjoying it.
Has anyone else bought it yet? Any comments?
In Reply to: BIOS: questions for your consideration posted by Ramona on September 08, 1996 at 15:11:13:
: Here is the promised questions for your consideration. I will followup with my own answers.
: 1) Name-Carolyn
: 2) Occupation-Secretary at the University of Virginia
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-August
: 4) How did you find out about it? A & E ads
: 5) What interested you in seeing it? Big regency romance fan
: 6) Have you read the original novel? Yes
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie? After (also read Pemberley, a sequel by Emma Tennant--not very good))
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.) Mr. Bennett, Jane, and Lady Catherine
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence Mr. Darcy's first proposal
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-When Lizzy arrives at Netherfield with her gown all muddy and Bingley's sisters sneer at her
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-Pride and Prejudice (1985 BBC production), Sense & Sensibilty (Emma Thompson's version and 1980's BBC version), Emma, and Clueless (if it counts, as it was based on Emma))
: 12)Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-Single
In Reply to: Re: Jane Austen Page Links posted by Amy on September 09, 1996 at 16:08:23:
: Mary asked:
: : Would whoever (or is that whomever)posted that article please post
: : it again? Or if anyone has urls for the various Jane Austen pages,
: Mary,
: You are probably referring to Henry's page, link below. In addition to the messages here, which will go away, there are two permanent references: the links page and FAQ, both accessible via links near the top of the main page here.
: Isn't Lady Susan just the nastiest? Joan Collins -- though geting old -- ought to play her, don't you think?
: Amy
:
Amy. Thank you for posting the most bookmarkable site i've ever encountered! And sorry for abusing the English language back there..... What would JANE have thought? - Matthew -
In Reply to: BIOS: questions for your consideration posted by Ramona on September 08, 1996 at 15:11:13:
: Here is the promised questions for your consideration. I will followup with my own answers.
: 1) Name-
Anna-Karin schander
: 2) Occupation-
unemployed archivist
: 3) When you first saw P&P2-
december 1995 -jan 1996
: 4) How did you find out about it?
swedish TV
: 5) What interested you in seeing it?
english classical TV series uses to be good and I had heard about P&P and Jane Austen
: 6) Have you read the original novel?
Yes
: 7) If so, before or after seeing the movie?
during the time it was broadcasted
: 8) Favorite character(s) (other than Lizzy or Darcy-as liking them goes without saying.)
Jane ,colonel Fitzwilliam and the Gardiners
: 9) Favorite scene/sequence
The dance at Netherfield,Darcy writing his letter,music scene at Pemberly
: 10) Most awkward scene to watch (or not watch because you feel so embarrassed for the characters involved)-
Mrs Bennet bragging about bingleys riches at the ball at Netherfield.One can understand Darcys
consern for his friend and wish to take him from there.mrs bennet is obviously out ter his money and fortune hunting.
: 11) Other Austen films viewed-
: 12)Anything else you would like to share (interests, marital status etc...)-
Single living in sweden,30 years old intersts family reasearch and history
In Reply to: Re: P&P Music - Titles? posted by Amy on September 07, 1996 at 19:01:06:
Told you you shouldn't count on it. It's Beethoven. I looked up Doug's post and have asked permission to repost it.
Not sonata #23 as previously reported either. Not a sonata or a Bagatelle or anything else. Just plain old Andante in F (or Favori).
Amy
You know that particular green we like in the ladies' jackets at the inn at Lambton and in the decorating at Hunsford?
Well here's a cheap way to get that color in your life. Do not drive by your local Target store without checking to see if they have what mine has: flat crocheted shoes in just that color for $4.00. I like mine so well I am going to get another pair for when they wear out.
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: Why do we think Darcy is dark? posted by Heather Grimes on September 09, 1996 at 13:40:39:
: I realize that I am talking about the geneology of a fictional character, but I'm obsessing anyway.
: Darcy's name was probably originally spelled D'Arcy, with Darcy being an English mutation of the Norman French D'Arcy.
: I assume that means that at least some of his ancestors were Norman French, and unless I'm wrong, they are a dark people.
: Therefore Darcy would probably be dark. Tada!
In fact the Normans which many were descendants from The Vikings came to Normandy from Scandinavia(most probably sweden ,denmark or Norway)
and here in scandinavia many people are blond as many of the vikings were.Not all of us in sweden are blondes
by the way I am not.Bye the way Darcys good looks could be inherited from his mothers side
In the book Lizzy thinks when first seeing lady Catherine that she finds some resemblance to Mr Darcy.
and it says in the book that lady chaterine was a tall woman with features that might once have been
beatiful.However Darcy probably had some French ancestors both on the mothers and on the
fathers side.his mothers family name fitzwilliam sounds french too.
In Reply to: Lizzie's musical talents posted by Sarah on September 10, 1996 at 11:35:19:
Many more meetings between the Bingleys/Darcy and the Bennets were either described or implied in the book. At least one dinner, for example, was not shown, but was obliquely referred to when Lizzie told Jane she bet Bingley would be back and dining at Longbourn within a fortnight.
Amy
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In Reply to: I knew his heart too posted by Amy on September 09, 1996 at 00:45:18:
: >>: I saw his heartfelt delight! Firth looked like he was just about to burst with joy.
: Or say a prayer. I felt his delight too. Delight in a Darcy kinda way.
:
: >> Anybody out there have a good idea as to what she might have said after Darcy's implores: "If your feelings are what they were last April, tell me so at once, etc?"
: Um. No. I don't think I could have said a word. I'd probably just sigh.
I think Darcy should have said more jane austen tells us that he
spoke as warmly and as sensibly as a man violently in love could do ;)
Or maybe he kissed her?
:
: : : Chapter 58: "Had Elizabeth been able to encounter his eye, she might have seen how well the expression of hearfelt delight, diffused over his face, became him..."
: I do ID with Lizzie in this scene though, as I do again and again. In critical times in my life I have not been able to look a person in the eye.
: Amy
Different versions of P&P are discussed in this group. I understand P&P2 is the most recent version Mr. Darcy played by C. Firth. Some posts mentioned about P&P0 and P&P3. How many P&P screen adaptations are there, and which one is which? Thank you in advance.
Newbee
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In Reply to: Re: Darcy's First Name posted by Joan, too on September 09, 1996 at 20:50:11:
:
: : I wonder whether Lizzy ever called Mr. Darcy by his first name (of course after the marriage). "My dear Fitzwilliam, ...." !! :)
: : I like Lizzy addressing him "Mr. Darcy" with British accent.
: None of the other married couples addressed each other by their
I think Lizzy probably adressed him with Darcy or Fitzwilliam.
In the book jane calls Bingley,Bingley when she spaks about him
to Lizzy after their engagementWhat she calls him face to face is not said.
Darcy calls Lizzy elisabeth after their engagement.
Anyway Darcy is easier to say than Fitzwilliam so I hope she calls him that.
Maybe she calls him Mr Darcy when they are totally alone together in their bedchamber.......;)
(Exuse my dirty mind)
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Please help! I'm trying to locate the book "Making of Pride and
Prejudice" but no bookstores in my city can order it.
I've heard its great, any suggestions? Thanks
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