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In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Donna on September 07, 1996 at 01:10:11:
: I just like to look at all the opitions because some of the servants do relate information to the main characters. Charlotte was really very curious about Mr. Darcy toward Elizabeth. I also would think that maybe she asked the housekeeper if anyone stopped by that evening, because Mr. Darcy wasn't having dinner at Rosings "big question"??? were was he.
True - they were ALL wondering - especially Lady C.!
: Mrs. Reynolds tells Lizzie that Darcy is coming to Pemberly
But Mr. Gardiner had specifically asked her if the master were from home. She didn't volunteer it. She did "rattle on" but largely of her own high opinion of the master.
: of course she was wrong about the day, thats another puzzle.
Darcy told Lizzie that he had come back a day early without notifying his staff -
that's why she was wrong. JA built in a number of amazing coincidences the lack of any one of which would have stopped the plot dead in its tracks!
JA gives us some information but she doesn't think somethings are important enough to tell. That makes me crazy. I still don't no for sure,
Or she credits us with the intelligence to figure it out? Or wants to leave us with something to talk about? ;-) In any case, we are all free to choose our own explanation, and as Mr. Bennet (film version) tells Jane when she thinks Wickham must really be in love with Lydia, "You think that, Jane, if it gives you comfort."
: I have read this book so many times and it still is amazing. I've read Emma, S&S,Persuasion and some of Sandition they don't get to you like P&P. Maybe its the way they made the movie and the way the Characters are portrayed.
The film is remarkably true to the book, and where it is not, it is in the proper spirit. You never get the feeling that JA must be spinning in her grave. Perhaps a bit startled occasionally, but I'll bet she would have enjoyed seeing it.
: The meeting at Pemberly between Eliabeth and Mr. Darcy. Was it a coincidence or a setup? Who set it up? How was it setup? and when was it setup?
An elaborately set up coincidence on the part of JA, I believe. ;-)
Joan, too
In Reply to: Re: Patchwork intelligence posted by Donna on September 07, 1996 at 02:06:59:
: Oh here something else that makes me crazy. To think that Darcy could ask Lizzie to marry him in the hope that she would say yes how would he explain that to Bingley and that Bingley shouldn't even atempt to ask Jane.
Not hope, *expectation*! He knew he was the world's most elligible batchelor, and in that day and age, any woman would be a fool not to accept him. Especially one with no income of her own. Actually, in the book JA lets us know that Bingley *likes* the idea of a Darcy/Lizzie marriage - Jane tells Lizzie that she and Bingley had spoken of it and wished for it, but considered it impossible given the attitudes of D & L.
: Of course Mr. Bingley didn't know that Darcy proposed to Lizzie but I am sure Jane would tell him after they were married. How would Mr. Darcy feel about that.
He won't have to worry about it. Bingley doesn't have a mean bone in his body. After all, right after Darcy tells Bingley that he had kept him from knowing that Jane was in London and discouraged him from thinking of marrying her, which ought to have made him mad as er.. heck, Bingley turns right around and asks for Darcy's blessing! He was indignant for about two whole seconds. Mr Bennet calls both Bingley and Jane "so compliant that nothing will ever be decided on and so easy that every servant will cheat" them.
Joan, too
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In Reply to: Patchwork intelligence posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 23:29:17:
: Amy:
: But you know what? I bet it was a combination. Maybe all our suspicions are right, and if Austen determined the information got to Lady C through a convoluted patchwork, she might not take up our time to explain it.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think it could have been a very wide-spread rumor. In Chapter 6 when Caroline Bingley has her little exchange with Darcy in which he tells her that the "fine eyes" that have inspired him belong to Lizzie, after she says that she is all astonishment she adds: "How long has she been such a favourite? - and pray when am I to wish you joy?" to which Darcy replies, "That is exactly the question which I expected you to ask. A lady's imagination is very rapid; it jumps from admiration to love, from love to matrimony in a moment. I knew you would be wishing me joy."
Joan, too
My dear Mr Darcey, It grieves me to inform you that you no longer have claim on my heart. I have recently been in company with the finest gentleman, and I admit, he alone has won my heart. My Mister Knightly can kiss as no other can. Emma Beware!
In Reply to: Re: Lessons? posted by Steve on September 06, 1996 at 09:48:41:
I felt like hissing at Steve:
: : No. Of course it is all nonsense which is part of the reason why we Ns like it. But, if I recall correctly, Steve, you are the one who thought up this M-B thing
: Your Honoress, I throw myself on the mercy of the court and plead guilty to all charges. And the point is....?
...points are:
Pretty funny, all in all. Now you have Ramona working on a bio form. What do you do for a living? Cause frantic scurrying with a nod?
Your steamed hostess
(I like that, I'm going to use it)
In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 13:45:04:
Yesterday I reported:
: I have weekly stats:
: 1st partial week
: 73
: 2nd week
: 294
: 3rd week
: 363
: 4th
: 426
: 5th
: 997
: This week with a day and a half to go
: 807
With the time remaining until midnight to go, there have been 944 hits this week.
Yesterday was a busy day -- and a record day -- in terms of number of posts. Forty-nine messages; the range over the past two weeks has been 6 to 28.
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Patchwork intelligence posted by Joan, too on September 07, 1996 at 02:31:42:
:
: : Oh here something else that makes me crazy. To think that Darcy could ask Lizzie to marry him in the hope that she would say yes how would he explain that to Bingley and that Bingley shouldn't even atempt to ask Jane.
: Not hope, *expectation*! He knew he was the world's most elligible batchelor, and in that day and age, any woman would be a fool not to accept him. Especially one with no income of her own. Actually, in the book JA lets us know that Bingley *likes* the idea of a Darcy/Lizzie marriage - Jane tells Lizzie that she and Bingley had spoken of it and wished for it, but considered it impossible given the attitudes of D & L.
: : Of course Mr. Bingley didn't know that Darcy proposed to Lizzie but I am sure Jane would tell him after they were married. How would Mr. Darcy feel about that.
: He won't have to worry about it. Bingley doesn't have a mean bone in his body. After all, right after Darcy tells Bingley that he had kept him from knowing that Jane was in London and discouraged him from thinking of marrying her, which ought to have made him mad as er.. heck, Bingley turns right around and asks for Darcy's blessing! He was indignant for about two whole seconds. Mr Bennet calls both Bingley and Jane "so compliant that nothing will ever be decided on and so easy that every servant will cheat" them.
: Joan, too
Yes I understand ,so does that mean that Jane told Bingley about Mr. Darcy's proposal before they were married.
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What is the title / composer of the piano piece played by
Georgiana Darcy? I'm actually interested in any info anyone
may have on the popular music of that time / region.
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In Reply to: Dorky Bingley posted by Amy on August 30, 1996 at 00:03:57:
: >> Bingley was excessively dorky. Mr. Collins and Charlotte were picked very well.
: Yes. The first dance at Netherfield? Bingley hopping. He looked like a puppet, or closer still, like the way I used to hop my Barbie up and down to indicate she was talking.
: Amy
I thought he was dorky too for most of the movie, but I forgave him all his dorkiness when I saw how he looked at Jane at the end of the movie, just after Lizzy is forced to leave the room. Talk about Firth's looks at Pemberley? That look of Bonham-Carter's nearly killed me, too. It was a look that said, "I'm sorry for all the pain I've caused you, Jane." All that needed to be said, he said with his eyes. I always wondered how Bingley explained himself well enough in so short a time (without dumping on Darcy or his sisters which Bingley would NEVER do) and how he persuaded Jane to overlook everything. Now I understand. He didn't explain with words at all.
-Arnessa
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In Reply to: P&P Music - Titles? posted by Lesa on September 07, 1996 at 18:43:53:
Lesa,
Don't count on my memory, but I think someone on the Austen-L list said it was a movement of a Mozart piece -- maybe a sonata? You could search the list archive at the Jane Info Page (link below) and look for a post by Doug Short sometime in the summer. Let us know. It sounds like something I could probably play.
Or maybe someone here knows for sure.
> I'm actually interested in any info anyone
: may have on the popular music of that time / region.
For some info on dance music see the post here called "Mr Beveridge's Maggot"
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: Patchwork intelligence posted by Donna on September 07, 1996 at 17:52:24:
: : : Donna:
: : : Oh here something else that makes me crazy. To think that Darcy could ask Lizzie to marry him in the hope that she would say yes how would he explain that to Bingley and that Bingley shouldn't even atempt to ask Jane.
:
: : Joan, too:
: : Not hope, *expectation*! He knew he was the world's most elligible batchelor, and in that day and age, any woman would be a fool not to accept him. Especially one with no income of her own. Actually, in the book JA lets us know that Bingley *likes* the idea of a Darcy/Lizzie marriage - Jane tells Lizzie that she and Bingley had spoken of it and wished for it, but considered it impossible given the attitudes of D & L.
: Donna:
: Yes I understand, so does that mean that Jane told Bingley about Mr. Darcy's proposal before they were married.
Well, JA is not explicit on that *exact point* [grin] - I think the only mention of it is at the beginning of Chapter 59, but if Jane was explicit with Bingley it would have been sometime after her own engagement and before Lizzie told her that she was engaged to Darcy.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Dorky Bingley grew on me posted by Arnessa on September 07, 1996 at 18:59:55:
Bingley may be dorky but then so is Jane - both of them are incapable of thinking ill of anyone. Jane really never *needed* to be persuaded to overlook anything - she said in both film and book (after Bingley had left Netherfield for London; Ch 24) that she had nothing to reproach him with.
In the film, Davies gives her a half a line along the lines of "he told me he always loved me, he didn't believe..." and she interrupts herself to go tell her mother - the implication is that that sentence would have ended with "that I cared about him".
According to JA (at the end of chapter 55) Bingley only says that he never knew that she was in London, but does not tell her why, and Jane supposes that it must have been his sisters' doing, making what Lizzie calls the most unforgiving speech she has ever heard Jane utter.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Censure of Mr Bennet posted by Amy on August 31, 1996 at 13:12:10:
I don't remember, does Austen ever tell us how they all kept Mrs B away from Pemberley?
: Amy
I don't think Austen tells us exactly, but I think we're supposed to get the idea that she enjoyed going to see the Bingleys more than the Darcys. And it's not too hard to guess why. There, she would be suffered to run around with a chicken with her head cut off. (Always hectoring her poor daughter, I imagine, "Oh, my dear, dear Jane, where is your muslin dress? Sit up straight... I have such tremblings and flutterings..." ad nauseum) While, we're told at the end that the Darcy's repaired to the "quiet and elegance of their family party at Pemberley." And there's no one who'd relish quiet and elegance less than Mrs. Bennet. I'm convinced she stayed away voluntarily.
-Arnessa.
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Hey guys,
I just read today that some time in January Colin Firth will be starring in a
new series called "Nostrodomo".
Has anyone heard about his latest project? I'm not sure if it's another
miniseries or serial.
Also - what would it be about?
Any answers would be appreciated!
(Bonus points to those who can correctly respond with the release date of
"The English Patient"!!)
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In Reply to: Re: P&P Music - Titles? posted by Amy on September 07, 1996 at 19:01:06:
: Lesa,
: Don't count on my memory, but I think someone on the Austen-L list said it was a movement of a Mozart piece -- maybe a sonata? You could search the list archive at the Jane Info Page (link below) and look for a post by Doug Short sometime in the summer. Let us know. It sounds like something I could probably play.
: Or maybe someone here knows for sure.
: > I'm actually interested in any info anyone
: : may have on the popular music of that time / region.
: For some info on dance music see the post here called "Mr Beveridge's Maggot"
: Amy
Friends of Firth has alot of info about the music from P&P.
www.sheet-music.com,classical net homepage and someone else
mention John Playford 1651.
In Reply to: Colin's January Job posted by Intrigued Marla on September 07, 1996 at 21:26:26:
: Hey guys,
: I just read today that some time in January Colin Firth will be starring in a
: new series called "Nostrodomo".
: Has anyone heard about his latest project? I'm not sure if it's another
: miniseries or serial.
: Also - what would it be about?
: Any answers would be appreciated!
: (Bonus points to those who can correctly respond with the release date of
: "The English Patient"!!)
Friends of Frith has all the news. English Patient
will be released in November 15, Nostromo is Masterpiece
Theater production look at Amy's link page for Friends of
Firth under FAQ it is updated once a month on the 15th of
every month.
Amy,
let me know when you receive my email regarding the bio form.
In Reply to: Keeping Mrs. Bennet at bay posted by Arnessa on September 07, 1996 at 20:34:51:
>>. And there's no one who'd relish quiet and elegance less than Mrs. Bennet. I'm convinced she stayed away voluntarily.
Right. Sometimes things just work out.
1. Ramona has come up with some questions you may want to answer in your bios. This survey form approach can be fun because it allows us to compare ourselves to each other. She will probably be posting the questions soon. Answer or not as you wish.
2. I would like some posters to try out an alternative way to look at messages here. It's a very alpha modification of the admin script, but allows you to check for the most recent messages. I've found it useful and will fix it up for everybody's use if you like it.
Link below
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In Reply to: Re: Anybody want to play? posted by Joan, too on September 06, 1996 at 21:00:27:
: (are those the notes that he took out?)
I don't remember the particulars, but I do know that the Emperor treated Mozart in an infamous manner. And if I were you, Joan, too, I would not believe anyone's assertion if it is represented to you that the young man ever altered so much as a single quarter-rest in that opera.
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