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In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Ramona on September 06, 1996 at 16:44:25:
Ramona said:
: I will get on to thinking of what to include in short bio. Maybe we need some sort of basic little form or something so we all address the same relevant questions. Anyone want to work on that? I am game, as I plan on sticking this site out for the long haul.
It would be great if you would do that.
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: Other stuff that's gone posted by joan (new) on September 06, 1996 at 16:35:54:
The new Joan wonders:
: Amy, if it is the Lucas's that inform Lady Catherine of the impending engagement, how do they know of it?
There is some speculation in another thread:
Missing Lady C starting at
http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/wwwboard/messages/422.html
What do you think? Was it Charlotte's hunch? A snooping servant (nice idea of Donna's, but I can't think of a single instance in which JA ever puts a servant into the story in a very consequential role). Maria snooping? More likely. But why was the source not revealed? Is it another of those things we would be able to perceive with ease if it were 200 years ago?
Amy
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Donna on September 06, 1996 at 11:16:49:
Donna said:
: I have to correct myself, it wasn't Jane who announced her engagement
: but it was her mother who told Mrs. Philips,who told the neighbors.
: Then once the Lucas's told Charlotte,someone had to bring it to Lady
: C. attention,I think Charlotte we be happy to tell
: Mrs.C because Lizzie was her friend and Lady C. was not her favorite
: person.
Still, though. Aren't we missing some information? Whether it was Charlotte who told or Mr Collins who finally told Lady C, who in the whole gossip chain made the leap and decided or reported the engagement as a fait accompli? Mrs Philips?
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: The missing scenes posted by Joan on September 01, 1996 at 18:11:33:
:
: Anna-Karin wrote:
: : We here in Sweden must have been lucky .When P&P was send here in december 95-jan 1996 and
: : resend in june it was shown without commercial brakes I think even if it was send
: : in one of our commercial chanels TV4 .Apparently swedish television has more respect
: : for Jane Austen and Andrew Davies than American ;)
: Well, to be entirely fair, A&E did broadcast the un-cut version in 6 separate installments for teachers to record for classroom use (at 4:00 AM Pacific time!), and will do it again in November/December. And they did have enough "class" not interrupt long scenes such as the Netherfield ball with commercials. But I still think that they should not have devalued the production that they participated in creating by cutting ANTHING for the general viewing public!
: Joan
I just found out about the missing scenes (although i had suspected as much). The only thing that i didn't like about the versions i saw on A&E were the rather abrupt "cutaways to commercials". The editing for television left a lot to be desired. Will there really be unedited one-hour segments aired in November/December? If you have the dates, please e-mail me at skeezix@mis.ca Thank you so very much!
In Reply to: Re: The missing scenes posted by Joan on September 01, 1996 at 18:11:33:
:
: Anna-Karin wrote:
: : We here in Sweden must have been lucky .When P&P was send here in december 95-jan 1996 and
: : resend in june it was shown without commercial brakes I think even if it was send
: : in one of our commercial chanels TV4 .Apparently swedish television has more respect
: : for Jane Austen and Andrew Davies than American ;)
: Well, to be entirely fair, A&E did broadcast the un-cut version in 6 separate installments for teachers to record for classroom use (at 4:00 AM Pacific time!), and will do it again in November/December. And they did have enough "class" not interrupt long scenes such as the Netherfield ball with commercials. But I still think that they should not have devalued the production that they participated in creating by cutting ANTHING for the general viewing public!
: Joan
I just found out about the missing scenes (although i had suspected as much). The only thing that i didn't like about the versions i saw on A&E were the rather abrupt "cutaways to commercials". The editing for television left a lot to be desired. Will there really be unedited one-hour segments aired in November/December? If you have the dates, please e-mail me at skeezix@mis.ca Thank you so very much!
In Reply to: Anybody want to play? posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 16:19:15:
: This time I have completely flipped.
: I've made some pretty worthless websites, but this one I made yesterday has no value at all that I can see. Still, I seem drawn to the idea.
: In need of visual representations of the idea of smallness, word about the joy of smallness, quotes that end with "There it is."
: See link below.
: Amy
Well, truth in advertising has been respected..... Your site was truly small.
In Reply to: The ideal weekend posted by Ramona on September 06, 1996 at 16:53:18:
: Tonight I am off to catch Emma one more time at the theatres. I also rented Sense & Sensibility and Persuasion (the first time they were both available at my video store in a long time) to view in the next couple of days with my fellow Austen afficianados (is that the word?) And who knows in the midst of it all I may tackle P&P2 again. I also am a few chapters away from completing the Persuasion novel.
: Just thought I would let you all know.
If they made a Jane Austen board game your evening would be truly complete! (Well, you COULD watch the BBC version of Northanger Abbey in there somewhere, but i'm just nitpicking.....)
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In Reply to: Anybody want to play? posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 16:19:15:
: This time I have completely flipped.
: I've made some pretty worthless websites, but this one I made yesterday has no value at all that I can see. Still, I seem drawn to the idea.
: In need of visual representations of the idea of smallness, word about the joy of smallness, quotes that end with "There it is."
: See link below.
: Amy
Well, we tall folks have to bend WAAAAAAY over in there! You need to install a hole so we can stand up without bumping our heads.
Joan, too
(are those the notes that he took out?)
In Reply to: Re: purchasing the last episode posted by Laura Fields on September 06, 1996 at 15:09:14:
: : Please don't damn me to hell for posting this message, but I was wondering if anyone would care to sell me a copy of the last episode.
: : You see, I was taping it and did not catch the whole of it. I know this sounds petty, but I'd rather not shell out the $56 for the "official" copy.
: : Desperately seeking P&P3.
: I bought the "official copy" and I am so glad that I did!!
I agree - it *is* worth it. I bought it when Blockbuster started selling it fo $89. $56 is a *steal*!
Joan, too
In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Steve on September 06, 1996 at 10:45:43:
: Steve said:
: My only other cyber-experience is on the general-semantics listserve. I don't know the tekkie talk, but you send your posts to one email address, which then broadcasts it as email to each of the subscribers.
(This is what Austen-L is.)
: The benefit to the web site here, as I see it, is that I stumbled on to it by searching P&P on Alta Vista. Plus, if they worked, having the reference links is really cool.
Now that I think of it, the links are the best "feature" of this format
: Some other suggestions/questions:
: 1. I don't suppose there's a way that I can delete posts I'm not interested in keeping. I assume all editing control rests with Amy.
Delete them from where? Keeping where? You don't really get to keep any of them unless you specifically save them to your own machine, and they automatically delete themselves from The P&P2 BB page once they reach the critical age, which seems to be about 2 weeks. The P&P2 BB page is the repository for all of the messages, so if any get deleted from there, nobody gets to see them.
: 2. If you/we are going to do this for awhile, it might be nice to have a thread of short bios. On the g.s. listserve this helped - the more information I have about an individual, the easier and more accurately I can evaluate what that person is saying. (Theoretically...)
Good idea - but then, who's to say that what people put in their resume is true? I still love that old _New Yorker_ cartoon showing a dog sitting in front of his PC typing and saying to another dog, "On the internet nobody knows you're a dog." This is the one place where a person's ideas stand on their own merits. Nobody knows who has or doesn't have the right to say whatever. Wouldn't y'all be surprised to learn that I'm "only" a fifth grader? [grin] I can say I'm not, but you don't know whether that is true, either! hee hee hee
So I'm afraid that you'll still have to evaluate what people say here without *really* knowing "who" they really are... heh heh heh
: 4. You said you've had this up for about 5 weeks. What happens/ed to those posts which pre-dated the ones which show up now? I assume their buried in the cyber cemetary.
: Amy's response:
I didn't think to keep messages from the very beginning, but have almost everything from msg# 80 on. We're up close to 500 now. Joan has looked at them offline with her browser. I think it's an okay way to keep the archives, at least for now. I could make a whole big searchable thing, but it would take a lot of time.
True, and it worked fine on my Mac, though it wasn't created on one. Ain't html grand?
: Steve:
: Great job, Amy.
Amen!
Joan, too
In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 17:35:23:
:
: :Donna said:
: : I have to correct myself, it wasn't Jane who announced her engagement
: : but it was her mother who told Mrs. Philips,who told the neighbors.
: : Then once the Lucas's told Charlotte,someone had to bring it to Lady
: : C. attention,I think Charlotte we be happy to tell Mrs.C because
: : Lizzie was her friend and Lady C. was not her favorite person.
: Amy speculated;
: Still, though. Aren't we missing some information? Whether it was Charlotte who told or Mr Collins who finally told Lady C, who in the whole gossip chain made the leap and decided or reported the engagement as a fait accompli? Mrs Philips?
Definitely not Mrs. Phillips. Who (other than her sister) would credit anything she said with reliability? Besides, she had almost no opportunity to observe Lizzie and Darcy together, as did Charlotte. My money's on Charlotte.
Actually, I've always wondered how she and Lizzie became such close friends (they appear even closer in the book) - they really have very little in common. And Charlotte is quite a bit older. When Charlotte was Lizzie's age (20), Lizzie was barely beginning her teens.
Joan, too
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In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Joan, too on September 06, 1996 at 21:43:53:
: Elsewhere Amy said, but redirected it here:
: What do you think? Was it Charlotte's hunch? A snooping servant (nice idea of Donna's, but I can't think of a single instance in which JA ever puts a servant into the story in a very consequential role). Maria snooping? More likely. But why was the source not revealed? Is it another of those things we would be able to perceive with ease if it were 200 years ago?
Maria! Another likely "suspect" who also had an opportunity to compare notes with her own sister (Charlotte) on what they both observed during Lizzie's visit at the parsonage. I'll bet they were in cahoots!
Joan, too
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In Reply to: Re: The ideal weekend posted by Matthew on September 06, 1996 at 19:37:24:
: : Tonight I am off to catch Emma one more time at the theatres. I also rented Sense & Sensibility and Persuasion (the first time they were both available at my video store in a long time) to view in the next couple of days with my fellow Austen afficianados (is that the word?) And who knows in the midst of it all I may tackle P&P2 again. I also am a few chapters away from completing the Persuasion novel.
: : Just thought I would let you all know.
: If they made a Jane Austen board game your evening would be truly complete! (Well, you COULD watch the BBC version of Northanger Abbey in there somewhere, but i'm just nitpicking.....)
Well, don't laugh but it wouldn't be past me to create my own board game. I have done it before for my other entertainment interests in addition to making celebrity paper dolls.
In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 17:19:06:
: Ramona said:
: : I will get on to thinking of what to include in short bio. Maybe we need some sort of basic little form or something so we all address the same relevant questions. Anyone want to work on that? I am game, as I plan on sticking this site out for the long haul.
:
: It would be great if you would do that.
: Amy
I will get on it then. I will email a proposed list of questions in a couple of days.
In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Joan, too on September 06, 1996 at 21:49:14:
Joan found merit in the Maria proposal:
>: Maria! Another likely "suspect" who also had an opportunity to compare notes with her own sister
But you know what? I bet it was a combination. Maybe all our suspicions are right, and if Austen determined the information got to Lady C through a convoluted patchwork, she might not take up our time to explain it.
Maybe Maria won the confidence of one of Charlotte's servant's. I can see her doing that.
And Charlotte had her own suspicions very early on and might politely pump her little sister for details. (One detail we can't assume Maria reports is Lizzie's statement in the carriage about having "so much to conceal." I checked the text and JA has her say it privately. )
And we already know that Mr Collins draws conclusions about the Bennets from Charlotte's information (ie Lydia).
And we can also assume that Lady Catherine would pump both Mr and Mrs Collins for anything they knew or even suspected. And you know Collins would spill it with little or no prompting: By the autumn, he would have been at Hunsford for a year and a half, and if he continued to go to Rosings every day, he and Lady C would naturally get to the point where they might scheme and develop theories about things like why Miss DuBourg had not received a formal proposal from Darcy yet. I can hear her asking, "Did you perceive during your stay in Herefordshire that Darcy had formed an attachment with the Bingley sister or any other young lady? With whom did he dance at the ball?"
And, it is not impossible to believe that Lady C, with all her snooping and networking and sending treasures of servants, that she maintained some contact with the staff at Pemberley. She must have visited there when her sister was alive, and Mrs. Reynolds had been employed at Pemberley for 24 years. Lady C would have been likely to stick her nose in at Pemberley, its lacking a mistress for so long.
Oh I don't know. And after all this blathering about it I am beginning not to care. See? This is how we get this stuff out of our systems. It works.
Amy
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In Reply to: Patchwork intelligence posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 23:29:17:
: Joan found merit in the Maria proposal:
: >: Maria! Another likely "suspect" who also had an opportunity to compare notes with her own sister
:
: But you know what? I bet it was a combination. Maybe all our suspicions are right, and if Austen determined the information got to Lady C through a convoluted patchwork, she might not take up our time to explain it.
: Maybe Maria won the confidence of one of Charlotte's servant's. I can see her doing that.
: And Charlotte had her own suspicions very early on and might politely pump her little sister for details. (One detail we can't assume Maria reports is Lizzie's statement in the carriage about having "so much to conceal." I checked the text and JA has her say it privately. )
: And we already know that Mr Collins draws conclusions about the Bennets from Charlotte's information (ie Lydia).
: And we can also assume that Lady Catherine would pump both Mr and Mrs Collins for anything they knew or even suspected. And you know Collins would spill it with little or no prompting: By the autumn, he would have been at Hunsford for a year and a half, and if he continued to go to Rosings every day, he and Lady C would naturally get to the point where they might scheme and develop theories about things like why Miss DuBourg had not received a formal proposal from Darcy yet. I can hear her asking, "Did you perceive during your stay in Herefordshire that Darcy had formed an attachment with the Bingley sister or any other young lady? With whom did he dance at the ball?"
: And, it is not impossible to believe that Lady C, with all her snooping and networking and sending treasures of servants, that she maintained some contact with the staff at Pemberley. She must have visited there when her sister was alive, and Mrs. Reynolds had been employed at Pemberley for 24 years. Lady C would have been likely to stick her nose in at Pemberley, its lacking a mistress for so long.
: Oh I don't know. And after all this blathering about it I am beginning not to care. See? This is how we get this stuff out of our systems. It works.
: Amy
Have any of you considered Fitzwilliam as the culpret? When Darcy takes his trip to London, he may have confided in the Col. Also, I can't see Charlotte being bold enough to discuss her suspisions with Lady Catherine. Fitzwilliam also has a tendency to gossip as it is seen when he discusses Jane and Bingley's engagement to Elizabeth.
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In Reply to: Re: Lessons? posted by Steve on September 06, 1996 at 09:48:41:
: Our steamed hostess, Amy, admonished the author:
: : Steve remembered that this will not affect the rings of Satrun:
: Excuse me, but for the record I 'remembered' no such thing. And I drive a Mazad, not a Satrun, and it has never needed a ring job.
Steve, you are too clever by half - at least! ;-)
: What I find really fascinating about this particular 'thread' (or more like 'navel lint' for you disinterested in this - I apologize for introducing it):
[ S N I P ]
: 3) that, more general than just P&P2, how ideas or threads take off in quite unintended directions with unforeseen velocities and force.
Yes! And that's what makes it fun - worth tuning in for - to see where it has gne since we last looked in.
Actually, it has struck me before that virtual groups such as this one are often basically doing another version of was done in the soirees and other comparable "in person" gatherings of eras past - getting together to gossip about our acquaintences. But since few (if any) of us have actually ever laid eyes on one another, we have no acquaintances in common to gossip about - but we do have literary and dramatic characters in common, accessible to all. So here we are examining their motives and speculating about the parts of their lives that we have not been able to "witness" directly via the book or dramatization...
: Recall the wisdom of Roseanne Roseannadanna: "There's always something..."
Wise words indeed!
: : Also in the "what we've learned" department, I think it is interesting that Lizzie is an E and almost all the women here are I's. We identify with her I am sure. I know I do. Maybe she is like we would like to be?
: 4) that, perhaps there's a lesson like this: maybe we most "identify" with what we're *not*, when we're not what we want to be. And maybe if we recognize this, we can change the way we 'are' to become more what we *want* to be. Change the premise and the resulting behavior will inexorably follow. (I didn't make that up.)
And those who study graphology (is that the right term? handwriting, anyway) claim that one can change one's personality by incorporating the kinds of letter forms representative of a particular attribute into one's own hadnwriting - ie: write in the handwriting style of an extrovert and you will become one.
: With that, I'll shut up for awhile.
A very short while, please. You have a very entertaining way with words. I'm sure that Miss Austen would have been excessively diverted by your correspondance.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Joan, too on September 06, 1996 at 21:43:53:
: :
: : :Donna said:
: : : I have to correct myself, it wasn't Jane who announced her engagement
: : : but it was her mother who told Mrs. Philips,who told the neighbors.
: : : Then once the Lucas's told Charlotte,someone had to bring it to Lady
: : : C. attention,I think Charlotte we be happy to tell Mrs.C because
: : : Lizzie was her friend and Lady C. was not her favorite person.
: : Amy speculated;
: : Still, though. Aren't we missing some information? Whether it was Charlotte who told or Mr Collins who finally told Lady C, who in the whole gossip chain made the leap and decided or reported the engagement as a fait accompli? Mrs Philips?
: Definitely not Mrs. Phillips. Who (other than her sister) would credit anything she said with reliability? Besides, she had almost no opportunity to observe Lizzie and Darcy together, as did Charlotte. My money's on Charlotte.
: Actually, I've always wondered how she and Lizzie became such close friends (they appear even closer in the book) - they really have very little in common. And Charlotte is quite a bit older. When Charlotte was Lizzie's age (20), Lizzie was barely beginning her teens.
: Joan, too
I just like to look at all the opitions because some of the servants do relate
information to the main characters. Charlotte was really very curious about Mr.
Darcy toward Elizabeth. I also would think that maybe she asked the housekeeper
if anyone stopped by that evening, because Mr. Darcy wasn't having dinner at Rosings
"big question"??? were was he. I am sure they were wondering where he was. He arrived
at the Collins's at 6:15. I remember seeing the clock on the mantel {in the movie}
on the mantel when was talking to Elizabeth.
Mrs. Nicholls {she is the housekeeper at Netherfield} tells Mrs. Bennett that Bingley is coming back to Netherfield, Mrs Reynolds
tells Lizzie that Darcy is coming to Pemberly of course she was wrong about the day, thats
another puzzle. JA gives us some information but she doesn't think somethings are important enough to tell.
That makes me crazy. I still don't no for sure ,but I think it was Charlotte, she would like to rub it in a
little. She called her Old Lady Catherine. She was always telling Charlotte how to run her house, what to buy
what to buy to buy. Its still a toss-up between her and Mr. Darcy.
I never meant that Mrs. Philips told Lady Catherine. What I meant was how Janes engagement was announced
and how the Lucas's found out. I should of drank more coffe before I typed that follow-up.
About Lizzie and Charlotte, maybe this is to harsh ,but they were friends of convenience.
Charlotte was always so collected, Elizabeth was easily excited. Another older but wiser friend.
I have read this book so many times and it still is amazing.
I've read Emma, S&S,Persuasion and some of Sandition they don't get to you like P&P.
Maybe its the way they made the movie and the way the Characters are portrayed.
Here another : The meeting at Pemberly between Eliabeth and Mr. Darcy .
Was it a coincidence or a setup? Who set it up? How was it setup? and when was it setup?
Donna,
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In Reply to: Re: Patchwork intelligence posted by Joan (new) on September 07, 1996 at 00:03:11:
: : Joan found merit in the Maria proposal:
: : >: Maria! Another likely "suspect" who also had an opportunity to compare notes with her own sister
: :
: : But you know what? I bet it was a combination. Maybe all our suspicions are right, and if Austen determined the information got to Lady C through a convoluted patchwork, she might not take up our time to explain it.
: : Maybe Maria won the confidence of one of Charlotte's servant's. I can see her doing that.
: : Maybe Maria won the confidence of one of Charlotte's servant's. I can see her doing that.
I don't think it probable, though, that the Collinses did much gossipping with their servants. The tendency among those having servants seems more along the lines of trying to keep choice pieces of gossip from being heard by the servants.
: : And Charlotte had her own suspicions very early on and might politely pump her little sister for details. (One detail we can't assume Maria reports is Lizzie's statement in the carriage about having "so much to conceal." I checked the text and JA has her say it privately. )
Probably didn't need to pump, though Lizzie's comment on how much she had to conceal was definitely not heard by Maria. The director had the two turning away from one another at that point, and Lizzie's comment was just for the ears of the audience.
: By the autumn, he would have been at Hunsford for a year and a half, and if he continued to go to Rosings every day, he and Lady C would naturally get to the point where they might scheme and develop theories about things like why Miss DuBourg had not received a formal proposal from Darcy yet. I can hear her asking, "Did you perceive during your stay in Herefordshire that Darcy had formed an attachment with the Bingley sister or any other young lady? With whom did he dance at the ball?"
Hmmmm - I can't see Lady C. doing that - she does not consider Mr. Collins anywhere near an equal (as he told Lizzie, "she likes to have the distinction of rank preserved") and would hardly be likely to take him into her confidence regarding anything of a such personal nature as whether Darcy is "cheating" on Ann.
: Have any of you considered Fitzwilliam as the culpret? When Darcy takes his trip to London, he may have confided in the Col. Also, I can't see Charlotte being bold enough to discuss her suspisions with Lady Catherine. Fitzwilliam also has a tendency to gossip as it is seen when he discusses Jane and Bingley's engagement to Elizabeth.
He is certainly not beyond suspicion - he definitely is not someone I'd tell something I wanted kept secret! But I *can* see Charlotte discussing not her suspicion, but her *conviction* that another wedding is likely in the context of sharing the news about Bingley and Jane.
Joan, too
: : And Charlotte had her own suspicions very early on and might politely pump her little sister for details. (One detail we can't assume Maria reports is Lizzie's statement in the carriage about having "so much to conceal." I checked the text and JA has her say it privately. )
: : And we already know that Mr Collins draws conclusions about the Bennets from Charlotte's information (ie Lydia).
: : And we can also assume that Lady Catherine would pump both Mr and Mrs Collins for anything they knew or even suspected. And you know Collins would spill it with little or no prompting: By the autumn, he would have been at Hunsford for a year and a half, and if he continued to go to Rosings every day, he and Lady C would naturally get to the point where they might scheme and develop theories about things like why Miss DuBourg had not received a formal proposal from Darcy yet. I can hear her asking, "Did you perceive during your stay in Herefordshire that Darcy had formed an attachment with the Bingley sister or any other young lady? With whom did he dance at the ball?"
: : And, it is not impossible to believe that Lady C, with all her snooping and networking and sending treasures of servants, that she maintained some contact with the staff at Pemberley. She must have visited there when her sister was alive, and Mrs. Reynolds had been employed at Pemberley for 24 years. Lady C would have been likely to stick her nose in at Pemberley, its lacking a mistress for so long.
: : Oh I don't know. And after all this blathering about it I am beginning not to care. See? This is how we get this stuff out of our systems. It works.
: : Amy
:
: Have any of you considered Fitzwilliam as the culpret? When Darcy takes his trip to London, he may have confided in the Col. Also, I can't see Charlotte being bold enough to discuss her suspisions with Lady Catherine. Fitzwilliam also has a tendency to gossip as it is seen when he discusses Jane and Bingley's engagement to Elizabeth.
In Reply to: Re: Patchwork intelligence posted by Joan (new) on September 07, 1996 at 00:03:11:
: : Joan found merit in the Maria proposal:
: : >: Maria! Another likely "suspect" who also had an opportunity to compare notes with her own sister
: :
: : But you know what? I bet it was a combination. Maybe all our suspicions are right, and if Austen determined the information got to Lady C through a convoluted patchwork, she might not take up our time to explain it.
: : Maybe Maria won the confidence of one of Charlotte's servant's. I can see her doing that.
: : And Charlotte had her own suspicions very early on and might politely pump her little sister for details. (One detail we can't assume Maria reports is Lizzie's statement in the carriage about having "so much to conceal." I checked the text and JA has her say it privately. )
: : And we already know that Mr Collins draws conclusions about the Bennets from Charlotte's information (ie Lydia).
: : And we can also assume that Lady Catherine would pump both Mr and Mrs Collins for anything they knew or even suspected. And you know Collins would spill it with little or no prompting: By the autumn, he would have been at Hunsford for a year and a half, and if he continued to go to Rosings every day, he and Lady C would naturally get to the point where they might scheme and develop theories about things like why Miss DuBourg had not received a formal proposal from Darcy yet. I can hear her asking, "Did you perceive during your stay in Herefordshire that Darcy had formed an attachment with the Bingley sister or any other young lady? With whom did he dance at the ball?"
: : And, it is not impossible to believe that Lady C, with all her snooping and networking and sending treasures of servants, that she maintained some contact with the staff at Pemberley. She must have visited there when her sister was alive, and Mrs. Reynolds had been employed at Pemberley for 24 years. Lady C would have been likely to stick her nose in at Pemberley, its lacking a mistress for so long.
: : Oh I don't know. And after all this blathering about it I am beginning not to care. See? This is how we get this stuff out of our systems. It works.
: : Amy
:
: Have any of you considered Fitzwilliam as the culpret? When Darcy takes his trip to London, he may have confided in the Col. Also, I can't see Charlotte being bold enough to discuss her suspisions with Lady Catherine. Fitzwilliam also has a tendency to gossip as it is seen when he discusses Jane and Bingley's engagement to Elizabeth.
I have consider Maria , Col. Fitz. combination of both, Lady Catherine always nosing about,its all too possible. What I would like to know is how Mr. Darcy explained who Elizabeth was and how he praised her to Col. Fitzwilliam. Oh here something else that makes me crazy. To think that Darcy could ask Lizzie to marry him in the hope that she would say yes how would he explain that to Bingley and that Bingley
shouldn't even atempt to ask Jane. I think maybe Darcy knew deep down that Jane would say yes and Bingley would be oneup on him. Of course Mr. Bingley didn't know that Darcy proposed to Lizzie but I am sure Jane would tell him after they were married. How would Mr. Darcy feel about that. Does this make any sense.
Donna
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