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In Reply to: Re: Attn: anybody posting late Wednesday posted by Joan, too on September 06, 1996 at 03:00:55:
Joan,
That was so kind. Thank you.
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Attn: anybody posting late Wednesday posted by Joan, too on September 06, 1996 at 03:37:17:
Joan,
Thanks for trying to figure it out. Maybe we ought to just do it on request if someone is curious about a particular thread.
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Missing Lady C - nevermind! posted by Lorraine on September 05, 1996 at 17:30:44:
Oh, I don't know. I was convinced. Remember, Charlotte suspected Darcy's admiration of Elizabeth when they were visiting Rosings and the parsonage. And seemed commplace to assume that if a sibling married, the other siblings would be thrown into the company of the new spouse's friends and family. Caroline Bingley thought of that with regard to Georgiana and Bingley; Mrs. Bennet thought of it regarding Jane and Bingley and the effect her other daughters; and Elizabeth herself thought of it. So it was only to be expeced that the Lucases would follow the same line of thought, and pass it on to the Collinses.
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In Reply to: Re: Missing Lady C - nevermind! posted by Marie on September 06, 1996 at 06:55:08:
Lorraine said
: Oh, I don't know. I was convinced. Remember, Charlotte suspected Darcy's admiration of Elizabeth when they were visiting Rosings and the parsonage.
Good point. She also saw the looks Darcy was giving Lizzie as early as the party at Lucus lodge. "Mr Darcy looks at you a great deal, Lizze."
Maybe she called it all along.
Amy
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In Reply to: CCF posted by Amy on September 05, 1996 at 21:09:35:
:
: : Anyone here see the new movie Cold Comfort Farm?
: I am going next week when it shows up here in an art film series. Which means it ought to be out on video soon.
: I've heard wonderful things about it. Did the reviews you read include this bit: "A cross between Jane Austen and Monty Python." That's what hooked me. I have to find out what that can possibly mean.
: Amy
I read "the beverly hillbillies meet masterpiece theatre." Something about Flora (the main character) thinking herself like Jane Austen in that they both didn't like a mess. She also wanted to write something like "Persuasion".
In Reply to: Charlotte the psychic posted by Amy on September 06, 1996 at 07:04:32:
: Lorraine said
: : Oh, I don't know. I was convinced. Remember, Charlotte suspected Darcy's admiration of Elizabeth when they were visiting Rosings and the parsonage.
:
: Good point. She also saw the looks Darcy was giving Lizzie as early as the party at Lucus lodge. "Mr Darcy looks at you a great deal, Lizze."
: Maybe she called it all along.
: Amy
Was it that Jane announced her engagement to the
neighborhood. That how the Lucas's found out.
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In Reply to: Lessons? posted by Amy on September 05, 1996 at 18:54:54:
Our steamed hostess, Amy, admonished the author:
: Steve remembered that this will not affect the rings of Satrun:
Excuse me, but for the record I 'remembered' no such thing. And I drive a Mazad, not a Satrun, and it has never needed a ring job.
: : From *this* evaluator's perspective, the I,T,and J are consistent. I had him as S vs N, but...
: : HEY, HE'S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A NOVEL WHO WOULD BE 'DEAD' NOW FOR AT LEAST 150 YEARS!
:
: No. Of course it is all nonsense which is part of the reason why we Ns like it. But, if I recall correctly, Steve, you are the one who thought up this M-B thing without even knowing it had been a topic on Austen-L. And you were the one who suggested it because you thought it would help us understand our fascination for Darcy and Lizzie.
Your Honoress, I throw myself on the mercy of the court and plead guilty to all charges. And the point is....?
:So, we still don't know about Darcy. If he's an N, it makes sense we ought to like him. If he is not (recall Joan pegged him with no N characteristics at all), then why do we like him?
So what's up with this "we" jack? *I* "know about Darcy". *I* 'know' he's a Novel character! [thank you, thank you]
Seriously, I wouldn't simplify this to the point of "if I know his MBTI, then I know why I like him", or "I like him if he's a(n) ....." I suspect there are probably some Ns whom, given the opportunity to meet, I may immediately despise. (Present company excluded, I'm quite sure.)
What I find really fascinating about this particular 'thread' (or more like 'navel lint' for you disinterested in this - I apologize for introducing it):
1) that, according to at least a few analyses, Darcy and Lizzie seem to manifest several opposite personality discriminants. Did Jane Austen knowingly say to herself, "Let's see...I want there to be this undercurrent of both attraction and repulsion, so I'll make Lizzie an extrovert and Darcy an introvert, Lizzie intuitive and Darcy more sensing..." I doubt it. But I find it interesting that Austen and other great writers develop their characters with such insightful intuition that they lend themselves to this type of evaluation, 200 years later. Some may simply observe, "Of course. Opposites attract." Well, maybe so...but maybe not.
2) that the participants on this bboard (I'm inferring) don't merely find something to "like" about Darcy (and Lizzie), but they seem to passionately admire, envy, love, empathize, etc. At least enough to spend a few minutes each day to check this page out and contribute some thought. Is there some type of common bond? What's the common 'force' which holds them enthralled? I doubt this "N-thang" really explains much ... but to me it makes for a pretty interesting speculation.
3) that, more general than just P&P2, how ideas or threads take off in quite unintended directions with unforeseen velocities and force. I thought about MB when Amy commented she wanted to continue the thread on men liking Lizzie, etc. Which just goes to show you never know where one little thought, comment, deed, etc., will lead or what connections will result. Recall the wisdom of Roseanne Roseannadanna: "There's always something..."
: Also in the "what we've learned" department, I think it is interesting that Lizzie is an E and almost all the women here are I's. We identify with her I am sure. I know I do. Maybe she is like we would like to be?
4) that, perhaps there's a lesson like this: maybe we most "identify" with what we're *not*, when we're not what we want to be. And maybe if we recognize this, we can change the way we 'are' to become more what we *want* to be. Change the premise and the resulting behavior will inexorably follow. (I didn't make that up.)
With that, I'll shut up for awhile. Thanks, Amy, for the cerebral stimulation. (Or was it the 17th-32nd ounces of caffeine...)
Regards,
Steve Stockdale
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In Reply to: Questions concerning P&P posted by Patricia on September 05, 1996 at 17:43:25:
Patricia previously pontificated:
: One more thing, have you all considered moving this discussion
: to Netnews where it's a little easier to navigate the postings?
: Just wondering.
My only other cyber-experience is on the general-semantics listserve. I don't know the tekkie talk, but you send your posts to one email address, which then broadcasts it as email to each of the subscribers.
The drawback is that to get the posts, you have to subscribe, which involves nothing more than sending a request. However, you gotta know about it to request it.
The benefit to the web site here, as I see it, is that I stumbled on to it by searching P&P on Alta Vista. Plus, if they worked, having the reference links is really cool.
Some other suggestions/questions:
1. I don't suppose there's a way that I can delete posts I'm not interested in keeping. I assume all editing control rests with Amy.
2. If you/we are going to do this for awhile, it might be nice to have a thread of short bios. On the g.s. listserve this helped - the more information I have about an individual, the easier and more accurately I can evaluate what that person is saying. (Theoretically...)
3. Amy, do you get a hit count? If so, how many are accessing it on average per day?
4. You said you've had this up for about 5 weeks. What happens/ed to those posts which pre-dated the ones which show up now? I assume their buried in the cyber cemetary.
Great job, Amy.
Steve
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In Reply to: Re: Charlotte the psychic posted by Donna on September 06, 1996 at 09:19:56:
: : Lorraine said
: : : Oh, I don't know. I was convinced. Remember, Charlotte suspected Darcy's admiration of Elizabeth when they were visiting Rosings and the parsonage.
: :
: : Good point. She also saw the looks Darcy was giving Lizzie as early as the party at Lucus lodge. "Mr Darcy looks at you a great deal, Lizze."
: : Maybe she called it all along.
: : Amy
: Was it that Jane announced her engagement to the
: neighborhood. That how the Lucas's found out.
I have to correct myself, it wasn't Jane who announced her engagement
but it was her mother who told Mrs. Philips,who told the neighbors.
Then once the Lucas's told Charlotte,someone had to bring it to Lady
C. attention,I think Charlotte we be happy to tell
Mrs.C because Lizzie was her friend and Lady C. was not her favorite
person. I think Charlotte would be the one who would tell Lady C.
I don't think Mr. Darcy cared what Lady C. thought because Elizabeth
wanted them to remain friends. She made him seek a reconcilation.
This is my thought.
Donna
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Please don't damn me to hell for posting this message, but I was wondering if anyone would care to sell me a copy of the last episode.
You see, I was taping it and did not catch the whole of it. I know this sounds petty, but I'd rather not shell out the $56 for the "official" copy.
Desperately seeking P&P3.
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In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Steve on September 06, 1996 at 10:45:43:
Steve asked about a few things:
: The benefit to the web site here, as I see it, is that I stumbled on to it by searching P&P on Alta Vista. Plus, if they worked, having the reference links is really cool.
I like the link part too. Have you tried putting in the whole address including the http:// in the URL box? That feature is one I've never had a problem with. Though I can't understand why it is impossible to do links in the body of the message. Well, I am really just not interested enough to learn that much Perl.
: Some other suggestions/questions:
: 1. I don't suppose there's a way that I can delete posts I'm not interested in keeping. I assume all editing control rests with Amy.
Yes I do have sole and absolute power, but I am willing to share it. Let me know if you want the admin password and URL and I will show you how it works. I guess I don't want to post it here and let some little hacker spoil our fun, but I would be happy to give the reins to a real poster. Just ask.
: 2. If you/we are going to do this for awhile, it might be nice to have a thread of short bios. On the g.s. listserve this helped - the more information I have about an individual, the easier and more accurately I can evaluate what that person is saying. (Theoretically...)
Good idea. I have to run now and can't write anything, but if anybody wants to check me out on the web, resume is at:
http://www.bluemarble.net/~amyloo/resume.html
and a clue to my bitter- woman view of the world is at:
http://www.az.com/~blainn/dv/stories/rex.html
: 3. Amy, do you get a hit count? If so, how many are accessing it on average per day?
I have weekly stats:
1st partial week
73
2nd week
294
3rd week
363
4th
426
5th
997
This week with a day and a half to go
807
: 4. You said you've had this up for about 5 weeks. What happens/ed to those posts which pre-dated the ones which show up now? I assume their buried in the cyber cemetary.
I didn't think to keep messages from the very beginning, but have almost everything from msg# 80 on. We're up close to 500 now. Joan has looked at them offline with her browser. I think it's an okay way to keep the archives, at least for now. I could make a whole big searchable thing, but it would take a lot of time.
: Great job, Amy.
Thanks.
Amy
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In Reply to: purchasing the last episode posted by Terry Seeney on September 06, 1996 at 11:27:19:
: Please don't damn me to hell for posting this message, but I was wondering if anyone would care to sell me a copy of the last episode.
: You see, I was taping it and did not catch the whole of it. I know this sounds petty, but I'd rather not shell out the $56 for the "official" copy.
: Desperately seeking P&P3.
I understand your dilemma. I also taped the whole series, but ran into problems with the middle episode. So what was I to do? I bought the "official copy"
and I am so glad that I did!! There is approximately 40 extra minutes in the official version that was not shown on A&E. It is terrific! I could probably
make a copy of the the last two tapes for you if you would pay the cost of the tapes and mailing. Let me know if that suits you.
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In Reply to: movie with references to Austen posted by Ramona on September 05, 1996 at 21:01:56:
: It stars Kate Beckingsale (Much Ado About Nothing, Emma the BBC miniseries).
Did she play hero in "Much Ado About Nothing?" She is the one playing Emma in the upcoming BBC miniseries? Cool, thanks for the info.
Lea
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This time I have completely flipped.
I've made some pretty worthless websites, but this one I made yesterday has no value at all that I can see. Still, I seem drawn to the idea.
In need of visual representations of the idea of smallness, word about the joy of smallness, quotes that end with "There it is."
See link below.
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: BTB - Buy this Book!!! posted by Marla on August 30, 1996 at 09:51:09:
I was lucky enough to get the book the day after the
first episode aired. I also love it! I went back
to the same bookstore yesterday and they were sold
out - with only 4 on backorder (they'll go fast).
I almost paid $18 for a copy of P&P (hardcover - the
BBC "companion book" - just because it had Colin F (forgot
his last name!) and Jennifer Ehle on the cover! But then,
I hope to be winning them from A&E along with the
Grand Prize Literary tour of England!
In Reply to: Other stuff that's gone posted by Amy on September 05, 1996 at 08:47:33:
: Ramona,
: I am really sorry about wiping out all the posts last night. Doesn't look like I can recover it at this point. Even if somebody cached the main page, it will be impossible now to integrate it with the new posts.
: You have a good idea. I will try to remember what else was posted last night that people might wonder about:
: - Arnessa reported that the AUSTEN-L group says JA was an INTJ and so is Darcy. The Darcy score at variance with our own evaluators' opinions
: - A new Joan asked if we thought P&P had a chance at an Emmy. John said "No, it'll go to a broadcast network program as usual." Our other Joan, graciously beginning to call herself Joan, too in view of the new Joan, said she hears Gulliver's Travels is the mini series favorite.
: Amy
:
: : You are missing the posts regarding how Lady Catherine could have found out about Darcy's interest in marrying Lizzy. It was noted that the novel itself points to Lizzy determining that the Lucases told the Collinses and the Collinses passed on the info. to Lady Catherine.
Amy, if it is the Lucas's that inform Lady Catherine of the impending engagement, how do they know of it?
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In Reply to: Re: movie with references to Austen posted by Lea on September 06, 1996 at 15:18:47:
: Did she play hero in "Much Ado About Nothing?" She is the one playing Emma in the upcoming BBC miniseries? Cool, thanks for the info.
:
: Lea
Yes, she did play Hero the young heroine in Much Ado...
In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Steve on September 06, 1996 at 10:45:43:
: Patricia previously pontificated:
: : One more thing, have you all considered moving this discussion
: : to Netnews where it's a little easier to navigate the postings?
: : Just wondering.
: My only other cyber-experience is on the general-semantics listserve. I don't know the tekkie talk, but you send your posts to one email address, which then broadcasts it as email to each of the subscribers.
: The drawback is that to get the posts, you have to subscribe, which involves nothing more than sending a request. However, you gotta know about it to request it.
Great questions and suggestions Steve--same as I have thought of for awhile.
I will get on to thinking of what to include in short bio. Maybe we need some sort of basic little form or something so we all address the same relevant questions. Anyone want to work on that? I am game, as I plan on sticking this site out for the long haul. I really have appreciated it.
: The benefit to the web site here, as I see it, is that I stumbled on to it by searching P&P on Alta Vista. Plus, if they worked, having the reference links is really cool.
: Some other suggestions/questions:
: 1. I don't suppose there's a way that I can delete posts I'm not interested in keeping. I assume all editing control rests with Amy.
: 2. If you/we are going to do this for awhile, it might be nice to have a thread of short bios. On the g.s. listserve this helped - the more information I have about an individual, the easier and more accurately I can evaluate what that person is saying. (Theoretically...)
: 3. Amy, do you get a hit count? If so, how many are accessing it on average per day?
: 4. You said you've had this up for about 5 weeks. What happens/ed to those posts which pre-dated the ones which show up now? I assume their buried in the cyber cemetary.
: Great job, Amy.
: Steve
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In Reply to: Re: Admin Question...2 cents posted by Steve on September 06, 1996 at 10:45:43:
: Patricia previously pontificated:
: : One more thing, have you all considered moving this discussion
: : to Netnews where it's a little easier to navigate the postings?
: : Just wondering.
: My only other cyber-experience is on the general-semantics listserve. I don't know the tekkie talk, but you send your posts to one email address, which then broadcasts it as email to each of the subscribers.
: The drawback is that to get the posts, you have to subscribe, which involves nothing more than sending a request. However, you gotta know about it to request it.
: The benefit to the web site here, as I see it, is that I stumbled on to it by searching P&P on Alta Vista. Plus, if they worked, having the reference links is really cool.
: Some other suggestions/questions:
: 1. I don't suppose there's a way that I can delete posts I'm not interested in keeping. I assume all editing control rests with Amy.
: 2. If you/we are going to do this for awhile, it might be nice to have a thread of short bios. On the g.s. listserve this helped - the more information I have about an individual, the easier and more accurately I can evaluate what that person is saying. (Theoretically...)
: 3. Amy, do you get a hit count? If so, how many are accessing it on average per day?
: 4. You said you've had this up for about 5 weeks. What happens/ed to those posts which pre-dated the ones which show up now? I assume their buried in the cyber cemetary.
: Great job, Amy.
: Steve
Great questions and suggestions Steve--same as I have thought of for awhile.
I will get on to thinking of what to include in short bio. Maybe we need some sort of basic little form or something so we all address the same relevant questions. Anyone want to work on that? I am game, as I plan on sticking this site out for the long haul. I really have appreciated it.
Tonight I am off to catch Emma one more time at the theatres. I also rented Sense & Sensibility and Persuasion (the first time they were both available at my video store in a long time) to view in the next couple of days with my fellow Austen afficianados (is that the word?) And who knows in the midst of it all I may tackle P&P2 again. I also am a few chapters away from completing the Persuasion novel.
Just thought I would let you all know.
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