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I was doing some remodeling here (which I either don't like or can't get used to, I don't know).
Somehow I reverted back to a 3 pm version of the main page. If anybody can send me the source code from your browser, that would be great. After 10 pm best. But anything later will be better.
Sorry. We're missing the Emmy thread, Arnessa's post, the new Joan, Joan too and ???
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: Wrap up through Wednesday morning posted by Steve on September 04, 1996 at 12:54:23:
: :
: : Amy | INFP |
| : : Ramona | INFJ |
| : : Joan | INFJ |
| : : Steve | ENTJ |
| : : Laura | INTP |
| : : Sharon | INFJ |
| : : Lizzie (according to Steve & Joan) | ENFJ |
| : : Darcy (according to Steve & Joan) | ISTJ |
| : : |
And don't forget Donna, an ENFP
: Quoth Steve:
: What an ngaging and ngratiating group of ntuitive ndividuals who frequent this place! I find your nventiveness, nthusiasm and nitiative to be ...well, nothing short of nvigorating! I am most ncouraged by your nordinately ndearing ndeavors.
:
: Ndeed!
At the risk of appearing Ndelicate I must agree that it is an Nfinite pleasure to Ncounter a gathering of Ndividuals of such Ntellect, Ncredible Nsight and Ngrossing and Ntertaining discourse who have left an Nstant and Ndelible Npression (OK, so that's cheating a little), with whom I am most Nchanted to have become Nvolved.
Nough said
Joan, too
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You are missing the posts regarding how Lady Catherine could have found out about Darcy's interest in marrying Lizzy. It was noted that the novel itself points to Lizzy determining that the Lucases told the Collinses and the Collinses passed on the info. to Lady Catherine.
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In Reply to: Re: Wrap up through Wednesday morning posted by Joan, too on September 05, 1996 at 04:09:40:
:
: And don't forget Donna, an ENFP
Thanks. I will put the running tally on the FAQ and update it as more tell.
:
: : Quoth Steve:
: : What an ngaging and ngratiating group.....
: At the risk of appearing Ndelicate I must agree that it is an Nfinite pleasure to Ncounte
You guys are too clever. I know I can't play at this one.
Amy
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In Reply to: Missing Lady C. posted by Ramona on September 05, 1996 at 07:43:45:
Ramona,
I am really sorry about wiping out all the posts last night. Doesn't look like I can recover it at this point. Even if somebody cached the main page, it will be impossible now to integrate it with the new posts.
You have a good idea. I will try to remember what else was posted last night that people might wonder about:
- Arnessa reported that the AUSTEN-L group says JA was an INTJ and so is Darcy. The Darcy score at variance with our own evaluators' opinions
- A new Joan asked if we thought P&P had a chance at an Emmy. John said "No, it'll go to a broadcast network program as usual." Our other Joan, graciously beginning to call herself Joan, too in view of the new Joan, said she hears Gulliver's Travels is the mini series favorite.
Amy
: You are missing the posts regarding how Lady Catherine could have found out about Darcy's interest in marrying Lizzy. It was noted that the novel itself points to Lizzy determining that the Lucases told the Collinses and the Collinses passed on the info. to Lady Catherine.
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In Reply to: Other stuff that's gone posted by Amy on September 05, 1996 at 08:47:33:
: - Arnessa reported that the AUSTEN-L group says JA was an INTJ and so is Darcy. The Darcy score at variance with our own evaluators' opinions
Now I am doubting my memory. Anyone remember if it's INTJ or INTP?
Amy
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In Reply to: Missing Lady C. posted by Ramona on September 05, 1996 at 07:43:45:
I posted the original question that went missing.
I guess I missed it in the book that Elizabeth
guessed that the Lucases told the Collinses, but
how would the Lucases know??
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In Reply to: JA INTJ or P? posted by Amy on September 05, 1996 at 09:09:55:
Amy said:
>Arnessa reported that the AUSTEN-L group says JA was an INTJ and so is Darcy. The Darcy
score at variance with our own evaluators' opinions.
From *this* evaluator's perspective, the I,T,and J are consistent. I had him as S vs N, but I will admit that I am more hesitant on this one than the other three. As Dennis Miller says, that's just my opinon...I could be wrong. Of course, now might be a good time to remind myself that:
HEY, HE'S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A NOVEL WHO WOULD BE 'DEAD' NOW FOR AT LEAST 150 YEARS!
Just another one of those differences which, in the end, doesn't make a difference ...
FYI, I think I've kicked the P&P2 thing...but I sure am Njoying y'all's (rrrrreeeerrrreeee...punctuation police siren approaching!) Ntelligent company here!
Steve
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Amy as holder of this wonderful page, I feel that you should include in your FAQ the first people who posted. Just to keep tabs of who the originals are. And just like on the Firth list celebrate anniversary of when you started.
just MHO.
Laura
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I saw the old version with Greer and Lawrence this past weekend while visiting my parents(my father taped it off tv for me - further aiding my addiction!) and I really did not like it very much at all. It was too far off the the book- I realize they did not have as much time to develop the story, but it was a little too "adapted" for me. I hated the scenes with Lizzie crying - definately not my impression from the book that she would lose it so easily. I did like Lawrence Olivier's portrayal of Darcy - he is certainly tolerable and a bit more likable, but I still think the recent version is much closer to the story Jane wrote.
Ya'll, I have a question about the scene after Lizzie reads the letter from Darcy. She returns to the Collins' ( while still reading the letter) and Maria tells her that Darcy and Fitzwilliam had both been there to see her, with Darcy leaving quickly and Fitzwilliam waiting an hour. The book gives this same account, but no explanation. Was Darcy having Fitzwilliam there to verify his story? It was hard for me to get during this story and some of her others how much of their private business they shared with each other. It seemed that FW knew much of Lizzie when they first met at the Collins', (and Darcy still acted like a geet!) Another example is the scene at the Nethererfield Ball when Jane tells Lizzie that she asked Bingley about the business with Darcy and Wickam - she says he does not know the particulars, but does think Wickam is the offensive party. It seems odd to me that Darcy and Bingley are such good friends and Bingley would not know the details of this. Except that Darcy was so private - what do ya'll think? My mother the English teacher thinks that Bingley knew, but just did not share it with Jane because women were usually not let in on these matters, even if it pertained directly to their own life. Any insight?
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In Reply to: Jane Austen's Lovers: A Quiz posted by Caroline on August 31, 1996 at 23:11:00:
: I got this quiz from Susannah Fullerton of The Jane Austen Society of Australia Inc. Try it and post your answers back. Correct answers in two weeks:-
: 1. Who finds himself in the same room at once with "the woman he had just married, the woman he had wanted to marry, and the woman whom he had been expected to marry"?
Mr. Elton (with Mrs. E, Emma and Harriet)
: 2. Who thinks that to marry for money is "the wickedest thing in existence"?
Fanny Price? Catherine Morland?
: 3. Who declared that the only time she "really suffered in body and mind" was when she was away from her husband?
Mrs. Croft
: 4. At the end of Emma, three couples get married. What is the order of the ceremonies?
First Harriet Smith and Robert Martin, then Emma and Mr. Knightley, and finally Jane Fairfax and Frank Churchill
: 5. Which lovers become "for a while each other's punishment"?
Maria Bertram and Henry Crawford?
: 6. Who learns to "prefer soft light eyes to sparkling dark ones"?
Edmond Bertram learns to prefer Fanny to Mary
: 7. Who finds consolation from an unhappy marriage "in his breed of horses and dogs, and in sporting of every kind"?
Willoughby, that sporty fellow
: 8. Which couple gets engaged at Longstaple?
Edward Ferrars and Lucy Steele?
: 9. Who is "run away with by his feelings" when proposing marriage?
Mr. Collins proposing to Elizabeth
: 10. Which couples get engaged while out for a walk?
Elizabeth and Darcy, Anne Elliot and Capt. Wentworth, Emma and Mr. Knightley
: 11. "You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you." Who says these words? (and you have rocks in your head if you can't answer this one)
Darcy!
: 12. Who describes himself as "a very indifferent lover?"
Mr. Knightley
: 13. Who writes of whom: "She is the only woman in the world whom I could ever think of as a wife"?
Edmond Bertram of Mary Crawford
: 14. Which couple falls in love over poetry?
Louisa Musgrove and Capt. Benwick
: 15. Who wears his fiancee's hair set in a ring?
Edward Ferrars (Lucy Steele's hair)
: Have fun!!
This is great -- bring on more quizzes!
In Reply to: after the letter posted by Sarah on September 05, 1996 at 13:22:35:
: Ya'll, I have a question about the scene after Lizzie reads the letter from Darcy. She returns to the Collins' ( while still reading the letter) and Maria tells her that Darcy and Fitzwilliam had both been there to see her, with Darcy leaving quickly and Fitzwilliam waiting an hour. The book gives this same account, but no explanation. Was Darcy having Fitzwilliam there to verify his story? It was hard for me to get during this story and some of her others how much of their private business they shared with each other. It seemed that FW knew much of Lizzie when they first met at the Collins', (and Darcy still acted like a geet!) Another example is the scene at the Nethererfield Ball when Jane tells Lizzie that she asked Bingley about the business with Darcy and Wickam - she says he does not know the particulars, but does think Wickam is the offensive party. It seems odd to me that Darcy and Bingley are such good friends and Bingley would not know the details of this. Except that Darcy was so private - what do ya'll think? My mother the English teacher thinks that Bingley knew, but just did not share it with Jane because women were usually not let in on these matters, even if it pertained directly to their own life. Any insight?
Okay, my interpretation is that because the whole elopement thing with Georgiana and Wickham was too embarrassing to share with Bingley. Bingley, yes he is nice, but sort of a dolt. And his sisters, well they would mock Georgiana probably. Col. Fitzwilliam knows the particulars because Georgiana was left in the care of Darcy and the Col. I also believe that Fitzwilliam, from the book, sort of liked Lizzy, but due to her non financial background the two of them could not be possible. He, too, has no money. Just a title. Possibly Darcy told Fitzwilliam about his feelings and wished the Col. to verify that the letter was true and correct. Remember, Darcy thinks Lizzy fancies Wickham enough to marry him, this would totally destroy Darcy that he loses out on the one he really loves. Not to mention what Wickham has made Georgiana believe. I hope this helps your confusion. And I too, did not like P&P0, but I did like P&P1. Laura
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In Reply to: When this page started posted by Laura on September 05, 1996 at 11:10:25:
: Amy as holder of this wonderful page, I feel that you should include in your FAQ the first people who posted.
I suppose I ought to, Laura. I am afraid I am not a very good archivist.
Can you help me remember. The first week, about five weeks ago, it was you, Miss Wynn (does she still post on Firth?), me, Arnessa...?
Amy
In Reply to: after the letter posted by Sarah on September 05, 1996 at 13:22:35:
re Bingley knew but would not tell Jane?
Sarah said:
> My mother the English teacher thinks that Bingley knew, but just did not share it with Jane because women were usually not let in on these matters,
Aye. Especially as regards a sister.
It is hard to grasp the manners of the time in terms telling and not telling. On the one hand there was nothing much to do but talk, but so many things were not talked of.
For example, as much as I intellectually understand Elinor and mom's reticence to ask Marianne where exactly she stood with Willoughby in S&S, I can't put myself in a time machine and feel it. It seems many, many things in Austen are timeless, but there are a few cultural nuances that make it almost impossible for me to close my eyes and imagine what I would do.
Amy
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In Reply to: Re: Missing Lady C. posted by Lorraine on September 05, 1996 at 10:33:41:
I checked the book, and yes, that's what it says that Lizzie thinks that Lady C got the info from the Collinses and that they got it from the Lucases. But, I still don't buy that!!
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I'm new here so please excuse me if I repeat something you guys
already discussed. I am very excited to have stumbled on a bunch
of people who loved P&P2 as much as I do. I, too, taped the
A&E rebroadcast last week but it didn't turn out very well so
the 6-volume set is now at the top of my Christmas list along with
the book and soundtrack you guys have been discussing.
There are couple things in the story that I don't understand even
after watching the movie 4 times and reading (and rereading the
book). The first has already been mentioned. That is how did Lady
Catherine come to know about Mr. Darcy's connection to Lizzie?
The other is why did Wickham run away with Lydia? He seemed so
indifferent towards her and of course she had no money. In modern
times, wouldn't he have been considered AWOL? I appreciate any
insight you P&Pnites might have.
Also, I have the postal address for the A&E sweepstakes (you know
mail the old-fashion way). If anyones needs it, I can post it here.
One more thing, have you all considered moving this discussion
to Netnews where it's a little easier to navigate the postings?
Just wondering.
Thanks to whoever is responsible for this web site. It's more fun
and entertaining than I'm use to seeing on the net.
Patricia
Hubbardp@csra.net
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I'm new here so please excuse me if I repeat something you guys
already discussed. I am very excited to have stumbled on a bunch
of people who loved P&P2 as much as I do. I, too, taped the
A&E rebroadcast last week but it didn't turn out very well so
the 6-volume set is now at the top of my Christmas list along with
the book and soundtrack you guys have been discussing.
There are couple things in the story that I don't understand even
after watching the movie 4 times and reading (and rereading the
book). The first has already been mentioned. That is how did Lady
Catherine come to know about Mr. Darcy's connection to Lizzie?
The other is why did Wickham run away with Lydia? He seemed so
indifferent towards her and of course she had no money. In modern
times, wouldn't he have been considered AWOL? I appreciate any
insight you P&Pnites might have.
Also, I have the postal address for the A&E sweepstakes (you know
mail the old-fashion way). If anyones needs it, I can post it here.
One more thing, have you all considered moving this discussion
to Netnews where it's a little easier to navigate the postings?
Just wondering.
Thanks to whoever is responsible for this web site. It's more fun
and entertaining than I'm use to seeing on the net.
Patricia
Hubbardp@csra.net
In Reply to: Questions concerning P&P posted by Patricia on September 05, 1996 at 17:43:25:
Welcome Patricia. You said:
: The other is why did Wickham run away with Lydia? He seemed so
: indifferent towards her and of course she had no money. In modern
: times, wouldn't he have been considered AWOL? I appreciate any
: insight you P&Pnites might have.
Doesn't everybody think he was simply a scoundrel? Just didn't care who he ruined. Wanted a fling and maybe was so bad he even took pleasure in the idea of spoiling a nice girl?
: One more thing, have you all considered moving this discussion
: to Netnews where it's a little easier to navigate the postings?
: Just wondering.
I don't know. Others have asked about ohter formats for it. I know it can become expensive for people who do not have unlimited accounts. It's only been up for 5 weeks. Maybe we should wait and see if the interest continues. Also, you may get used to the threading.
: Thanks to whoever is responsible for this web site. It's more fun
: and entertaining than I'm use to seeing on the net.
My pleasure. I accept the thanks for putting it up. The fun comes from the delightful dynamic of the posters. Keep coming back.
Amy
In Reply to: Re: JA INTJ or P? posted by Steve on September 05, 1996 at 10:36:57:
Steve remembered that this will not affect the rings of Satrun:
: From *this* evaluator's perspective, the I,T,and J are consistent. I had him as S vs N, but...
: HEY, HE'S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A NOVEL WHO WOULD BE 'DEAD' NOW FOR AT LEAST 150 YEARS!
No. Of course it is all nonsense which is part of the reason why we Ns like it. But, if I recall correctly, Steve, you are the one who thought up this M-B thing without even knowing it had been a topic on Austen-L. And you were the one who suggested it because you thought it would help us understand our fascination for Darcy and Lizzie. So, we still don't know about Darcy. If he's an N, it makes sense we ought to like him. If he is not (recall Joan pegged him with no N characteristics at all), then why do we like him?
Also in the "what we've learned" department, I think it is interesting that Lizzie is an E and almost all the women here are I's. We identify with her I am sure. I know I do. Maybe she is like we would like to be?
Amy
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