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In Reply to: Emmy posted by Joan on September 04, 1996 at 19:46:25:
Oops! There are two of us - looks as if first name is not enough!
: Do any of you think P&P2 has a chance to win an Emmy Award this Sunday Night? It's up against 'Gulliver's Travels' as best miniseries.
One can always hope, but chances are slim, I fear. "Everyone" (whoever that is) seems to thing that Gulliver has a lock on it.
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In Reply to: Who told Darcy's aunt (Lady ....) posted by Lorraine Charron on September 04, 1996 at 17:29:31:
: After watching P&P for the third time last night, I suddenly thought,
: "who told Darcy's aunt that he was engaged to Elizabeth". I've
: read the book, too, and it doesn't mention who told her, either.
: Do you think it was Darcy himself?
Couldn't have been Darcy, since he didn't think he had a chance till after Lady Catherine visited him _after_ she visited Elizabeth.
Chapter 57
...From what the report of their engagement could originate, Elizabeth was at a loss to imagine; till she recollected that *his* being the intimate friend of Bingley, and *her* being the sister of Jane, was enough, at a time when the expectation of one wedding made every body eager for another, to supply the idea. She had not herself forgotten to feel that the marriage of her sister must bring them more frequently together. And her neighbours at Lucas Lodge, therefore, (FOR THROUGH THEIR COMMUNICATION WITH THE COLLINSES, THE REPORT SHE CONCLUDED HAD REACHED LADY CATHERINE) had only set that down as almost certain and immediate, which *she* had looked forward to as possible, at some future time.
Joan, too
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In Reply to: Re: Who told Darcy's aunt (Lady ....) posted by Amy on September 04, 1996 at 18:24:34:
: Lorraine,
: Welcome.
: : After watching P&P for the third time last night, I suddenly thought,
: : "who told Darcy's aunt that he was engaged to Elizabeth". I've
: : read the book, too, and it doesn't mention who told her, either.
: : Do you think it was Darcy himself?
: Yes. Lady C must have been in town when Darcy took off the day Bingley proposed.
: Amy
I read somewhere (I forget where) that maybe Sir William Lucas visited Charlotte and Mr. Collins and told them the speculation in addition to Jane's engagement. Certainly anything Mr. Collins knew would be passed on to Lady Catherine. And look Mr. Collins sent a letter to Mr. Bennet that arrived on the same day as Lady Catherine visited Lizzy. Maybe this is just speculation but it is also probable. As I don't suppose Mr. Darcy would say something like that to Lady Catherine himself if he was unsure of Lizzy's feelings. Only after Lady Catherine visited him after seeing Lizzy was he taught to hope as he had never hoped before.
In Reply to: Others: what about Austen? posted by Amy on September 04, 1996 at 10:36:29:
: re Darcy evolving to N
Amy wrote:
: Right. He wasn't there at the end of the book but had the potential. Austen always seemed to think a husband or wife could alter a partner's deficiency. I am not so sure about that.
Nor am I - again, works well in fantasy, but not necessarily in reality.
: re: Darcy unlike us; why do we like him so?
: Joan:
: >: I like him very well indeed in fantasy, but I'm not sure that I could stand to live with him in reality. ;-)
: Amy:
: I suppose you are right. But who needs to think about that? Maybe he is one of those people you need to see infrequently to stay in love with.
Or take a leaf out of Charlotte Lucas' book and arrange to have him out from underfoot as much as possible? [grin]
: : Famous ENFJs include:
: Amy:
: I wonder what Jung was? I wonder what Jane Austen was? I know it was mentioned on AUSTEN-L
Somebody did it as her??? Now that would be difficult!
Dept. of Idle curiosity:
...Why did Jane Austen choose to name Jane Bennet "Jane"? Can't imagine that *she* would identify more with Jane B. than with Lizzie...
Joan, too
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In Reply to: Re: Who told Darcy's aunt (Lady ....) posted by Joan, too on September 04, 1996 at 20:36:39:
: : After watching P&P for the third time last night, I suddenly thought,
: : "who told Darcy's aunt that he was engaged to Elizabeth". I've
: : read the book, too, and it doesn't mention who told her, either.
: : Do you think it was Darcy himself?
: Couldn't have been Darcy, since he didn't think he had a chance till after Lady Catherine visited him _after_ she visited Elizabeth.
: Chapter 57
: ...From what the report of their engagement could originate, Elizabeth was at a loss to imagine; till she recollected that *his* being the intimate friend of Bingley, and *her* being the sister of Jane, was enough, at a time when the expectation of one wedding made every body eager for another, to supply the idea. She had not herself forgotten to feel that the marriage of her sister must bring them more frequently together. And her neighbours at Lucas Lodge, therefore, (FOR THROUGH THEIR COMMUNICATION WITH THE COLLINSES, THE REPORT SHE CONCLUDED HAD REACHED LADY CATHERINE) had only set that down as almost certain and immediate, which *she* had looked forward to as possible, at some future time.
: Joan, too
That is where I read that -- in the novel itself--thanks Joan,Too
I just noticed your post after I had posted mine.
In Reply to: Re: Emmy posted by Joan, too on September 04, 1996 at 20:24:33:
: Oops! There are two of us - looks as if first name is not enough!
Maybe you two could adopt period names. I've been thinking of doing that. Maybe nobody should be able to get "Lizzie."
Gulliver? I don't know anybody as wild about it as we are about this. But the appeal must not be as widespread.
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Others: what about Austen? posted by Joan, too on September 04, 1996 at 20:48:23:
that? Maybe he is one of those people you need to see infrequently to stay in love with.
: Or take a leaf out of Charlotte Lucas' book and arrange to have him out from underfoot as much as possible? [grin]
Joan,
Funny you should mention Charlotte just now. I just got an email about her from my sister in law and fellow reader (are you jealous I have a sister in law I would choose as a friend? I feel lucky.)
I won't betray her privacy by quoting her email but the gist of it was about how she liked the sitting room scene at Hunsford, when Charlotte said without saying how she is getting on.
Amy
P.S. [Cue Twilight Zone music... I just checked the time of Lori's email: 9:46. Your post was at 9:48. You two must have been thinking about Charlotte shooing off Mr Collins at exactly the same time!] Eeeee.
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In Reply to: Screen direction confusion posted by Amy on September 04, 1996 at 01:11:59:
: Amy says:
: So there you are reading. You look up, mostly straight ahead, maybe a little to your left and see the card table. (Mrs Hurst has to twist a bit to her left to speak to you). With me so far?
right...
: Now, Caroline addresses Darcy, turning her head sharply to the left to ask him what he does so secretly. But when we see Darcy, he is seated at the secretary facing screen right. It always feel to me as if Caroline should have looked to her right to speak to him. Or, that he should have been facing screen left. No? Does anybody else feel dizzy or uncertain in this scene?
Well, I haven't looked at that scene recently, either, but in my mind I take Lizzie to be in the position of the audience at a play, and she is looking at a set which has a card table in the upstage right corner of the stage (to her left), and on the wall at stage left (her right) is a writing desk. The person who sits there will be facing offstage. Which to me would mean that Caroline (who is sitting at the card table facing the audience) would have to look to her left (stage left, audience right) to see anyone sitting there. If she looks to her own right (also stage right) she will be looking offstage right, and not at the desk at all.
Now that I am thoroughly confused by trying to explain it, the bottom line is that that one doesn't make me as dizzy as the one at the start of this thread - there is a very fancy pass done from that camera angle that started rotated 90 degrees from the way it was before the cut to Lydia's elopement. Then Lizzie sits down facing us (the audience), and Jane crosses in front of L and sits to L's right, and at the same time, the camera crosses in the opposite direction (to their left) while again rotating 90 degrees and returns us to the view that we had at the beginning of the scene. And that one makes *me* dizzy, which is why I remembered it when Sarah mentioned it.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Charlotte and Lizzie posted by Amy on September 04, 1996 at 21:25:49:
: Amy:
: P.S. [Cue Twilight Zone music... I just checked the time of Lori's email: 9:46. Your post was at 9:48. You two must have been thinking about Charlotte shooing off Mr Collins at exactly the same time!] Eeeee.
I haven't yet figured out the time stamps yet - are they all stamped with a common time, and if so, which time zone? Odd that mine should be 9:48 when it isn't even 8:00 yet here! [grin] But that *is* wierd...
Joan, too
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In Reply to: Others: what about Austen? posted by Amy on September 04, 1996 at 10:36:29:
: I wonder what Jung was? I wonder what Jane Austen was? I know it was mentioned on AUSTEN-L but, despite Henry's assurances I still can't bring myself to that search nonsense. Anybody here from Austen-L remember what JA is off hand?
: Amy
Well, I think I remember someone on the Austen list claiming JA was an INTJ, just like the Myers-Briggs site says Darcy is. I remember being surprised that JA's personality might have possibly been closer to Darcy's than to her dear Lizzy's. But I guess it's possible. Maybe Lizzy is who she wanted to be - outspoken, bold, "almost wild," and Darcy was more like who she actually was - quiet, reserved, a little aloof. Because BOTH Lizzy and Darcy share that extraordinary wit of Austen's. In Darcy, though, it's more hidden.
I'm almost certain, though, that JA was said to be an INTJ on the list. That would account for all the people on Austen-L now clamoring to take the test and claim that type as their own. INTJs are supposed to be only about 5% of the population, I think. And the percentage of women INTJs is even smaller. But on Austen-L, at least half the participants say they're INTJs. So, either Myers-Briggs is a bunch of bunk, or all the INTJs in the world have joined the list or a lot of people are not taking the test honestly.
But perhaps I shouldn't say that too loudly. Given my cold and unfeeling judgments, I realize some could suspect me of being an INTJ myself. I will not confirm or deny.
-Arnessa.
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In Reply to: Re: Favorite supporting character posted by Liz on September 03, 1996 at 23:28:14:
: : Whose your favorite supporting characters in P&P2. I would have to say mine is Mr. and Mrs. Gardiner because they are the only seemingly normal people in the whole place. I do however greatly like the performance of Mr. Bennet.
: Deftinatly Mr. Bennet. I love his humor....Mrs. Bennet isn't that bad either; she's such a pain that it makes her hilarious!
The nomination for "Doing The Most With The Least" has to go to Ann DeBurgh - she has not a single line in the entire film yet her character is very clearly drawn.
Joan, too
In Reply to: Austen: an INTJ posted by Arnessa on September 04, 1996 at 22:03:08:
Arnessa,
Wecome back. It is very very kind of you to call.
Funny our "typers" do not see Darcy as an N at all while the Myers Briggs page says he is. Who can know, really?
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Charlotte and Lizzie posted by Jaon, too - er that is, well, maybe I should let it stay that way, I type it that way half the time anyway... on September 04, 1996 at 21:42:31:
Joan, Too:
: I haven't yet figured out the time stamps yet - are they all stamped with a common time, and if so, which time zone?
It's the time on my ISP's server, which is in Bloomington, Indiana. Indiana does not change to DST, so we're like Central time now and will be with Eastern after the "fall back."
Amy
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