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In Reply to: Re: The missing scenes posted by Joan on September 01, 1996 at 04:25:11:
: : Janey thinks:
: : : Too bad A&E had to cut these scenes though...I mean, transitional and
: : : "insignificant" as they may be, if you're going to make a commitment
: : : to air a 6-hour miniseries over 3 consecutive nights, what's 20 extra minutes??
: AMEN!!! (Although from A&E's viewpoint another 20 minutes has to be in six figures at the very least, and probably seven or more!)
: And actually, several of the missing scenes were *not* insignificant from the screenwriter/author's viewpoint. Several were expository of the personalities of the characters, and the omission of some caused other scenes that were not cut to appear completely pointless, though they were not when taken in context with the missing scenes.
We here in Sweden must have been lucky .When P&P was send here in december 95-jan 1996 and resend
in june it was shown without commercial brakes I think even if it was send
in one of our commercial chanels TV4 .Apparently swedish television has more respect
for Jane Austen and Andrew Davies than American ;)
I hope we in sweden will be able to se some of the productions of Emma
but I do not know for sure .
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In Reply to: Re: Myers-Briggs posted by Joan on September 01, 1996 at 17:58:30:
Well, I see that the link included in the html that I "stole" from shareware.com doesn't work, but the one that I added at the end (of the previous post) does.
J.
In Reply to: Re: The missing scenes posted by Anna-Karin Schander on September 01, 1996 at 18:01:06:
Anna-Karin wrote:
: We here in Sweden must have been lucky .When P&P was send here in december 95-jan 1996 and
: resend in june it was shown without commercial brakes I think even if it was send
: in one of our commercial chanels TV4 .Apparently swedish television has more respect
: for Jane Austen and Andrew Davies than American ;)
Well, to be entirely fair, A&E did broadcast the un-cut version in 6 separate installments for teachers to record for classroom use (at 4:00 AM Pacific time!), and will do it again in November/December. And they did have enough "class" not interrupt long scenes such as the Netherfield ball with commercials. But I still think that they should not have devalued the production that they participated in creating by cutting ANTHING for the general viewing public!
Joan
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In Reply to: Darcy; well, yeah posted by Amy on August 30, 1996 at 22:18:32:
: Stephanie said:
: >> I noticed no one has any comments on Colin Firth as the dark Mr. Darcy. I personally want to go on the record as saying he was absolutely fabulous! (no pun intended). Compared to Laurence Olivier's old version, he plays Mr. Darcy in the way Jane Austen pictured him. Bravo! Stephanie
:
: I guess that sort of goes without saying.
Why do we suppose that Darcy is dark by the way? The book says nothing about it.It only says that he was very
tall handsome and with handsome features. but nothing about eyes or hair color.
The book do not say more about Lizzy than that she was pretty with light and pleasing figure and
dark eyes so at least we knew her eye color.and yet most of us think that
Darcy was dark why? Maybe because of the fact that he seem to have been so in
the different film and TV adaptations but it seems that it was considered so before they came.
One can only wonder. Any opinions?
Maybe he was blond instead?
In Reply to: Re: Myers-Briggs posted by Joan on September 01, 1996 at 17:58:30:
Joan said:
>> I debated the wisdom of posting at all, but could not resist -
I debated for weeks before starting this thing, fearful it would become a replacement -- or God forbid, an additional -- obsession.
I like all you guys, though. I like checking in to see whose been here.
Amy
In Reply to: Myers-Briggs posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 11:33:16:
I said:
>I don't even remember my type, but wouldn't mind finding out if Steve or Joan or somebody else will coordinate it.
Now you got me curious. I got myself curious. URL below for the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, an instrument for determining Myers Briggs type.
I will tell when I am finished
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In Reply to: Myers-Briggs posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 11:33:16:
Amy INFP
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add yours
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In Reply to: Darcy; well, yeah posted by Amy on August 30, 1996 at 22:18:32:
: Stephanie said:
: >> I noticed no one has any comments on Colin Firth as the dark Mr. Darcy. I personally want to go on the record as saying he was absolutely fabulous! (no pun intended). Compared to Laurence Olivier's old version, he plays Mr. Darcy in the way Jane Austen pictured him. Bravo! Stephanie
:
: I guess that sort of goes without saying.
Why do we think that Darcy is dark by the way? It is not stated in the book only that he
is tall and very handsome.and yet most people think of him as dark Why?
any opinions?
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In Reply to: Re: Darcy; well, yeah, Why do we think Darcy is dark? posted by Anna-Karin schander on September 01, 1996 at 20:11:39:
Anna-Karin said:
>: Why do we think that Darcy is dark by the way? It is not stated in the book only that he
: is tall and very handsome.and yet most people think of him as dark Why?
: any opinions?
Maybe we read dark in reflexively with tall and dark. Probably in Sweden "tall, dark and handsome" is not an idiom.
How was your ancestor search? I did a bit myself two weeks ago in upstate New York and it resulted in a flurry of thought connections about books and movies -- no Austen, mostly 20th century: Dreiser, Wolfe, Fitzgerald, TC Boyle, Conroy.
Amy
Pic above from Jane Austen Info page:
She is intolerable, I suppose, but not handsome enough to tempt me.-- Charles E. Brock illustration, 1895
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In Reply to: Why do we think Darcy is dark? posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 21:16:44:
: Pic above from Jane Austen Info page:
:
: She is intolerable, I suppose, but not handsome enough to tempt me.: -- Charles E. Brock illustration, 1895
Here it is.
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In Reply to: Brock pic posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 21:19:20:
: :
: : She is intolerable, I suppose, but not handsome enough to tempt me.
Why did I put in that "I suppose?" It doesn't belong there. Did Caroline Bingley say "tolerable, I suppose" when referring to Lizzie's teeth?
Amy
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In Reply to: Misquote posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 21:23:59:
: : :
: : : She is intolerable, I suppose, but not handsome enough to tempt me.
Oh man. I said intolerable too. I have to go to bed.
Amy
In Reply to: What we are posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 20:11:36:
: Amy INFP
:
: ------------------------------
: add yours
Ramona -- I am an INFJ!!
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In Reply to: Re: What we are posted by Ramona on September 01, 1996 at 22:44:20:
: : Amy INFP
: : ------------------------------
: : add yours
: Ramona -- I am an INFJ!!
Joan - also INFJ
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In Reply to: Myers-Briggs posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 11:33:16:
: : Amy INFP
: Ramona -- I am an INFJ!!
Joan - also INFJ
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Interesting! I don't know if shadings of the scores are considered in these typings, but for the record, my "P" was only 60%, so it could just as easily have gone "J," while the other attributes were most emphatically I, N & F, ranging from 80 to 90 with N at 90.
Amy
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In Reply to: Comments about what we are posted by Amy on September 02, 1996 at 00:39:03:
: : : Amy INFP
: : Ramona -- I am an INFJ!!
: Joan - also INFJ
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: Interesting! I don't know if shadings of the scores are considered in these typings, but for the record, my "P" was only 60%, so it could just as easily have gone "J," while the other attributes were most emphatically I, N & F, ranging from 80 to 90 with N at 90.
Wow, talk about cyber-power! I make a little suggestion and poof!
Steve -- ENTJ: borderline E/I; off the scale N; strong T; strong J
Seems to be an 'N' thang going on here. Interesting, since Keirsey/Bates claim only 25% of the population are Ns. They also say 75% are Es, 50% T/F, and 50% J/P.
Several months ago I considered posting some of this on the general-semantics list, but didn't. So I'll mention this now, since I introduced the subject. I interpret this type of classifying exercise interesting and sometimes beneficial, with these caveats:
1. Who I 'am' varies from day to day, moment to moment, depending on my environment, whom I'm with, what's stimulating me, etc.
2. My general tendencies tend towards the E, N, T, J preferences - they define, if you will, my 'comfort zone'. They *DO NOT* validate, or justify, or excuse my behaviors. It's not so much "Hey, I'm an iNtuitive - deal with it!", as much as it's "I prefer more iNtuitive approaches."
3. No type or preference is any more 'right' or 'wrong' than others.
4. What's important about this, to me, is to realize that: a) there do seem to be different types; b) I tend to exhibit one of those types generally, and parts of other types at certain times under certain conditions; c) sometimes my preferred type works just fine (ie, Js tend to be very structured and organized); however, sometimes it's appropriate for me to leave that shit behind and be more spontaneous, more carefree, less prophylactic, etc. And for me, this is more difficult, since it's outside my 'comfort zone', against my 'type'.
5. Some degree of overall balance...that's the key. I would even claim that this awareness of tendencies, and willingness to venture beyond them, is a step towards Maslow's "self-atualization", or "full humanness". Which is, I think, a proper way to characterize both Lizzie and Darcy, especially when compared to their contemporaries.
So, back to P&P2. I've only watched it once, and read the few chapters twice (I confess I couldn't get into it before, but now after 'seeing' Lizzie...). But tomorrow I'll try to take the test *as if* I were Lizzie and Darcy and see what happens.
Interesting stuff....to me. Thanks for the tacit encouragement.
Steve
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In Reply to: Why do we think Darcy is dark? posted by Amy on September 01, 1996 at 21:16:44:
Anna-Karin said:
: >: Why do we think that Darcy is dark by the way? It is not stated in the book only that he
: : is tall and very handsome.and yet most people think of him as dark Why?
: : any opinions?
Then Amy offered:
: Maybe we read dark in reflexively with tall and dark. Probably in Sweden "tall, dark and handsome" is not an idiom.
My take isn't "dark" as a physical description, but as one of temperment, similar to "brooding". Perhaps he comes across this way because of his rather unique orientation vs his contempories - he seems more be-mused than a-mused.
: How was your ancestor search? I did a bit myself two weeks ago in upstate New York and it resulted in a flurry of thought connections about books and movies -- no Austen, mostly 20th century: Dreiser, Wolfe, Fitzgerald, TC Boyle, Conroy.
Amy, what is this reference to "ancestor search"? Are you really related to Theodore, Tom, Scott, and Pat? (Sorry, I'm not familiar with Coyle... - "I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.") But the others are some of my fav's. One quote I'll always remember from Conroy's "The Prince of Tides", due to its particular timeliness for me: "I lived with the terrible knowledge that one day I would be an old man, still waiting for my real life to start."
Steve
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In Reply to: Re: Comments about what we are...what I am, sorta... posted by Steve on September 02, 1996 at 01:25:16:
: : Interesting! I don't know if shadings of the scores are considered in these typings,
Well, in the "full" version of the test they are, though they are less significant in the short form - there are only 10 items in the E/I scale so a switch of just one or two items can make a big difference in the percentage.
: but for the record, my "P" was only 60%, so it could just as easily have gone "J," while the other attributes were most emphatically I, N & F, ranging from 80 to 90 with N at 90.
Actually, all of mine except for the "N" are borderline (today) - within 5% to15% of the midline. The N is 70%.
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I believe that in general these are supposed to be the "assumptions" in this kind of scale.
: 5. Some degree of overall balance...that's the key. I would even claim that this awareness of tendencies, and willingness to venture beyond them, is a step towards Maslow's "self-atualization", or "full humanness".
Interesting idea - will have to think about that - had not considered it in the light of voluntary or conscious venturing beyond.
: So, back to P&P2. I've only watched it once
Laggard! <grin>
: But tomorrow I'll try to take the test *as if* I were Lizzie and Darcy and see what happens.
I will, too - but I think it will have to be "or" not "and" - I don't think that
they are going to be identical types. Also, in theory at least, there would probably be a difference between the Part/Chapter1 Darcy or Lizzy and the final episodes/chapters - after all, that's what it's all about - changing perceptions and attitudes.
Joan
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In Reply to: Re: Comments about what we are...what I am, sorta... posted by Joan on September 02, 1996 at 04:17:25:
: Laggard! [grin]
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In Reply to: Re: oops - forgot about using those pointy brackets! posted by Joan on September 02, 1996 at 04:21:00:
Joan, it happens to the best of us. :()
: : Laggard! [grin]
Hey, but for those like me bringing up the rear, leaders would be nothing more than lonely wanderers...
Steve
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