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In Reply to: Re: P&P Music posted by Natalie Powell on August 27, 1996 at 18:00:17:
: Ha ha I found it It's by Playford, I would like to see if it is done by other arrangers.
: thanks for the info
Natalie or somebody please help me.
I don't want to become obsessed with Renaissance dance music. Please somebody just tell me a fact or two and insist I leave it at that. I just learned from an Alta Vista searrch that
Playford was actually a publisher of dnace music and other things in the 17th century! Other related links describe how to do some of the dances. I stopped myself before I was tempted to print out the instructions and start dancing.
Amy
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In Reply to: Guys posted by Amy on August 27, 1996 at 15:49:14:
I think it is impossible to separate the actress from the role. I did not much like Jennifer Ehle's character in "Camomille Lawn" and so was not too interested in the actress either. But as for Jennifer Ehle/"Elizabeth Bennet" I would say that the first time I saw her performance - for about the first hour I thought she was too short for the part and too "facial" in her reactions. By the end of the six hours I was convinced that even Mr. Darcy was unworthy of her. Perhaps this is what JA meant by "first impressions". On the third viewing I am entranced by the spectrum of emotions she worked into her performance - I never noticed before the patient but vigilant authoritarian tone she takes with her silly sisters when they are in public, and the depth of suppressed rage she conveys in the reasons she gives for her refusal of Mr. Darcy's proposal.
As for Mr. Bennet, I find his a "cool" performance and in nice counterpoint to the (necessarily) shrill Mrs. Bennet. I thing it was a wise choice to take with his character - it gives Elizabeth and ally, an equal and a confidant, if nothing else. But there is a price to pay - he seems undeserving of Mr. Darcy's censure, his lumping him in with the other more extravagant members of her family. For instance, the flashback we see of him getting Mary away from the piano seems the soul of disctetion.
Also after the Lydia plot is happily resolved, he says he will never allow Wickham in the house. Promptly cut to the carriage driving up to the door. In the novel I think he is less cool and wise of a character and this moment would no doubt work - but with this particular Mr. Bennett, it seems a lapse in prudence on his part.
Has anyone else noticed how much he sounds like Alastair Cooke (sp.?), the host for Masterpiece Theatre for so many years?
John
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no matter how many times I watch it, I can't get enough.
my mood has been set since january and is renewed in the past
couple days. I can't get enough of the classics(in particular-
Jane Austen). I just thank A&E for making this marvelous
adaptation. I don't need to elaborate because you all have probably
said what I would say. Have a good one.
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In Reply to: Re: Guys posted by John on August 27, 1996 at 18:47:19:
...and I tought Emma Thompson had that something that made my teeth hurt. Now I can't get over Jennifer's portrayal. Of course we are only falling for the image. Jennifer gives us a Lizzie who sees through all the pretentious B.S. of her society and epitomizes the emerging modern woman; the breakdown of established social protocols. Catherine was the dinosaur of the old societ Our heros followed thier hearts anyway. Catherine's tirade made the skin on my neck crawl...she was that good. All of that earthy stuff with Lizzie, the tanned face in the crowd, Being covered in mud when she comes to call,the love of Pemberly as an estate and it being the moment of her understanding that she could be Mrs. D. all appeal to guys. Of course an angelic, lively face doesn't hurt. The Jane character has the classic face that the Brits no doubt put on the bows of their ships and inspired an empire. Cool site...Sorry Emma T., you're history.
In Reply to: Curious posted by Amy on August 26, 1996 at 16:20:14:
: I am curious to know how you all found this site. Would you mind dropping me an email just to say Yahoo, or name another search engine, directory or jumping off point?
: Thanks
: Amy
from Yahoo... i usually use Alta Vista, but Yahoo was more direct.
In Reply to: Guys posted by Amy on August 27, 1996 at 15:49:14:
: Amy responded:
: Let me check something out with you to see if the genders reverse perfectly. It's my opinion that the madness on the part of ordinarily normal women over Colin Firth is not so much over Firth as it is a crush on Darcy as Firth portrays him. Is it the same with you? Is it mostly Lizzie -- aided by Jennifer?
"genders reverse perfectly" ... there's an interesting phrase. You don't mean in a Myra Breckenridge sort of way?
But back to the P&P point. I concur with John - I find it fruitless to attempt to separate "Lizzie" from "Jennifer". All I know of either is what I have observed on my TV set. Similarly, in analyzing my fondness towards Lizzie, I can't segregate looks from character from humor, etc. What appeals to me is, if you'll excuse this rather pedestrian term, the "whole enchilada" which Lizzie portrays. If either of her looks, humor, etc., were different, then the resulting ache in my teeth would be different.
What I really grew fond of was the sense of non-conformity which both Darcy and Lizzie exhibit. This resoluteness is uncommon enough today in 1996; the contrast with prevailing attitudes in 1800 was stark indeed. Both Darcy and Lizzie seemed quite at ease without any veil of pretentiousness; they seemed comfortable living inside their transparent 'houses', while their contemporaries scurried around them to ensure their own 'houses' were appropriately shuttered, curtained and thatched.
Lizzie makes a terrific comment contrasting Darcy and Wickham, along the lines of "I fear one has all the good, while the other all the appearance of good." What a great expression by Lizzie, of an insightful observation made by Jane Austen.
Sorry for the length... but one more comment responding to Philip's notion that Lizzie "saw through" all the societal b.s. around her. I don't disagree, but my admiration stems not from her observation, but from the fact that she rose above it (the b.s.) and didn't let it rule the degree to which she enjoyed life.
Steve
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Yes , Mr. Bennett is funny but as a father with five daughters and knowing that they would have no income after his death. He should of taken more responsibility ,no he dumped it on Mrs. B. I know that after Jane Austen's father died she was very poor. Maybe she was trying to raise her income buy writing novels.
In Reply to: Re: Guys posted by Steve on August 28, 1996 at 09:46:48:
Steve, John Philip,
Thanks for pouring your hearts out. I want to respond in some depth and keep this thread going. On deadline until tomorrow (have to summarize a whole industry I know nothing about -- !!). But until then, I can't tell you how touched I am by your remarks about Lizzie. I guess we are all of us romantics.
Amy
In Reply to: can't get enough posted by Laura Lea Sims on August 27, 1996 at 22:16:57:
: no matter how many times I watch it, I can't get enough.
: my mood has been set since january and is renewed in the past
: couple days. I can't get enough of the classics(in particular-
: Jane Austen). I just thank A&E for making this marvelous
: adaptation. I don't need to elaborate because you all have probably
: said what I would say. Have a good one.
Very true indeed!
i never was really into jane austen before, but now after watching the movie, i am a true fan!
The actors' portrayals were very true to the nature of the characters also.
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In Reply to: Now I understand ... posted by Steve on August 27, 1996 at 13:08:30:
: ... what all the Jane Austen fuss was about last year. I'm eagerly awaiting the final episode tonight, after total absorption during the first four hours. Am I the only guy who finds Lizzie so appealing that my teeth hurt? And I love the understated humor of Mr. Bennett. I empathize with your addictive afflictions. Regards, Steve
Whoever the actress was who portrayed lizzie bennet was truly beautiful!
there is just something about her i can't put into words
plus, i even found myself laughing at the father's comments about his half witted daughters
In Reply to: Dance music anonymous? posted by Amy on August 27, 1996 at 18:15:49:
: : : Hi all, its Mr Beveridge's Maggot. Carl Davis did the original soundtrack which is out in the music stores around $11.99-$15.99.
: :
: : I know it also on Emma and tried to see who the original composer
: : was was it Davies or someone long dead and gone?
:
: Natalie,
: I am sure it is a period piece or it would be on the CD.
: Laura the hippy hop thing? It has no composer name attached in the references you have seen either?
: I suppose since the music was written as "merely" accompaniment to dancing it was not deemed as immortal as performance music. Maybe not even written down for a long time? Like some church music.
: This looks as if it is becoming a question for the FAQ, so anybody with more facts please post and tell.
: Amy
Amy,
I don't know about the hippy-hop thing, but on the BBC educational page, they are selling Pride & Prejudice from Page to screen, of course, its in British pounds, but go the Wall Street journal, find out what the conversion is, figure out how much it is in American $ and whammo maybe we will have our answer. But in the book Making of Pride and Prejudice, nothing. Email me privately and I can give you the BBC address ont he net.
Laura
In Reply to: Lucy Briers (Mary) - related to Richard Briers? posted by Susan Goetcheus on August 27, 1996 at 17:25:43:
: The actress who played Mary Bennet is named Lucy Briers. I'm
: wondering if she's related to Richard Briers, the British
: actor who has been in lots of British tv shows (Good Neighbors,
: aka The Good Life, among them) and has lately been appearing
: in Kenneth Branagh films (A Midwinter's Tale, Much Ado, etc.).
: I think she's about the right age to be his daughter, but I
: can't tell if there's any resemblance. (as the Making of P&P
: book said, they uglified her for the part of Mary :)
: Can anybody shed light on this?
Now that I think of it she does look like him. He was also in Much Ado about nothing, Branagh likes recasting friends, he even casts him music director the wonderfully talented Patrick Doyle. I look into it. But there is a strong resemblance.
Laura
DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO GET THE "6 VOLUME VIDEO SET?"
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In Reply to: I think I am kicking it posted by Amy on August 24, 1996 at 21:08:15:
: This process of dwelling and wallowing may indeed be the solution to getting this thing out of my system. Since I put up this bulletin board 3 or 4 weeks ago, I think my obsession is waning. Course, I still like to talk about it and will make a new tape and will look forward to the comments of new converts who may pop up here next week. But I think this is the way to kick it: obsess, wallow, dwell, get it right out of your system up to just before the point where you never want to see it again.
What? You mean you WANT to kick it? You don't enjoy the wallowing, the obsessing, the dwelling? Then why are you doing it? <kidding>
Your prescription sounds to me as though it could apply to many of our intellectual-emotional-physical indulgences.
Just keep repeating, "It's only a story, it's only a story ..."
I know, I know ... easier said than done.
Steve
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does any one know where i can get the book 'the making of pride & prejudice'
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In Reply to: Re: Our Wuthering Heights posted by Laura McCarthy on August 27, 1996 at 15:40:10:
Laura McCarthy says:
: Personally, I could play Catherine to Colin's Heathcliff.
But Laura, I don't think you would be so foolish as to marry Edgar instead of figuring things out with Heathcliff/Firth in the first place.
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After watching Darcy's first proposal, the wallpaper really struck me. I think it is a floral pattern, but does anyone else think it looks like little bodies with lots of arms and legs? I love that soft grren color that they have in lots of the interiors, as I believe Amy has pointed out.
Janey
In Reply to: Re: can't get enough posted by patricia on August 28, 1996 at 16:50:59:
: : : i read jane austen in school eons ago, and never really cared for her style. however the recent versions are magnificent and have turned me into a tru fan. love sens and s too. wonderful photography and script.
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In Reply to: PRIDE & PREJUDICE posted by WOLFE on August 28, 1996 at 15:17:30:
: DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO GET THE "6 VOLUME VIDEO SET?"
I asked this a while ago, and from looking here and at the Firth list posting, it seems the best place is Costco for $59.99. You can also order it from Critic's Choice Video for what turns out to be about $80 including shipping. It's an 800 number, but I don't have it right now. The guy at Blockbuster told me that sometimes these movies drop in price in Sept. in time for the Christmas promotions, if you can live without it. I rented it at Blockbuster recently. The rental version (2 tapes, but the whole thing) was just released in June. I haven't bought a copy myself, yet, but I am hoping someone I know taped it from the recent showing and will lend it to me for a few months!
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