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In Reply to: Fabulous fashions (?) posted by Marla on August 20, 1996 at 14:32:56:
: Anyone have comments regarding the wardrobe (particularly that of the women) in P&P2?
: I really wonder how poor Jennifer Ehle and company could wear such confining dresses...at times she
: looked positively stuffed!
: Is it me, or were some of the dresses she wore a little low-cut??
: Also, the colours weren't exactly bright and uplifting...at times it looked as
: though the servants dressed just like the girls did!
: (Okay, Lizzie and Jane had better materials, trim, etc), but the dresses were
: basically very understated.
: AND...did you catch the "twin" scene when Lizzie meets Georgiana for the
: first time? They are wearing practically identical outfits! - same colour, same style...
: Strikes me a little strange, since these 2 women are supposedly "miles apart" in
: social status.
: Oh well. I guess I'd rather wear what Lizzie had on than endure the garish
: wardrobe of Caroline Bingley!
I really liked the style of dresses - I have always been a fan of empire style and think these would be more comfortable than all the tight fitting bustle styles. I do not know much about fashion history (obviously) but it seems as if it was an easy style to hang out in - i.e. with all Lizzie's walks and exercise. I agree on the low cut necklines - I guess the only way to try to catch someone's eye!! I really like the men's style with short pants and long coats. Does anyone know the rule for the height of the hats the men wore? It seems like i have heard something before about this - one of the facinating things to me about the time - all the rules of society that everyone seemed to abide by so carefully.
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In Reply to: Re: More confessions of a new addict posted by Heather on August 20, 1996 at 23:28:10:
: I also saw Emma tonight and it was excellent! It has come closer to P&P than any of the other movie versions of Austen's novels that I have seen. It was so well cast and the humor was brilliant. I think I would have to say it topped the BBC's version of P&P. Like P&P, I never wanted it to end.
Heather, hope you enjoy viewing P&P2 this Sunday. I know I will be getting my VCR ready!!! I loved Emma as well and never wanted it to end. The audience I saw it with was constantly laughing. How refreshing when some movies these days that are supposed to be a comedy barely get a snicker. I think all the recent movie adaptations compliment each other very well. I will have to see Emma again if possible. I have read that it is doing very well for a movie of limited release. Just this past week it was almost in the top ten movies.
In Reply to: Re: Fabulous fashions (?) posted by Sarah on August 21, 1996 at 20:32:27:
: I really liked the style of dresses - I have always been a fan of empire style and think these would be more comfortable than all the tight fitting bustle styles. I do not know much about fashion history (obviously) but it seems as if it was an easy style to hang out in - i.e. with all Lizzie's walks and exercise. I agree on the low cut necklines - I guess the only way to try to catch someone's eye!! I really like the men's style with short pants and long coats. Does anyone know the rule for the height of the hats the men wore? It seems like i have heard something before about this - one of the facinating things to me about the time - all the rules of society that everyone seemed to abide by so carefully.
I agree with all of your comments Sarah. I really admired the men's clothes as well-very dashing. In particular I liked the long outdoor coats.
I have tried looking this up on the internet but am quite lost.
Does anyone have a clue of where I could look up the role of servants particularly butlers and maids in English society in particular: the history, the etiquette and the duties.
I did see the movie Remains of the Day with Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson which was very interesting and was about the life of a butler. This piqued my curiosity. But more importantly I had a dream that fascinated me just recently which I will detail in the follow-up post.
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In Reply to: research source on the role of servants posted by Ramona on August 21, 1996 at 21:01:15:
: I did see the movie Remains of the Day with Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson which was very interesting and was about the life of a butler. This piqued my curiosity. But more importantly I had a dream that fascinated me just recently which I will detail in the follow-up post.
In my dream I was watching a televised sequel to P&P2. It appeared to have the same actors as the other production. The difference was that it was video taped instead of filmed and it was taped in front of a live audience. I knew this because every time there was a funny line by Darcy or another character there was big, broad laughter in the background (mostly men's hearty laughter).
At one point Darcy went into his house where Lizzie and various others were. It seems that they were engaged still instead of being married yet. Darcy asked Lizzie to accompany him to the bathroom (?) He was about to ask her something once they got in the room but they realized that another woman was in the bathtub behind the curtain. The woman came out of the tub where she had been reclining, fully clothed. Before she politely dismissed herself, Darcy apologized for not yet having danced with her. She assured him that that was alright.
After the lady left the room, Darcy asked Lizzie to help him take off his shirt. She assisted him in getting the upper part of his body undressed. This seemed to be some sort of test for Lizzie-to see if she could take off his shirt or help him get dressed--nothing provocative.
After I awoke from my dream, the last part struck me odd. Wouldn't Darcy have his servants assist him with dressing and undressing? Why would he have to "test" Lizzie to see if she could do this? Unless he was seeing if she would be willing, even though she shouldn't have to.
And this is how I wonder about the role of servants. I don't know what inspired my dream--like I said it was thought provoking, not lustful--even if I am capable of the latter. Input please.
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I have tried looking this up on the internet but am quite lost.
Does anyone have a clue of where I could look up the role of servants particularly butlers and maids
in English society in particular: the history, the etiquette and the duties.
I did see the movie Remains of the Day with Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson which was
very interesting and was about the life of a butler. This piqued my curiosity. But more importantly I
had a dream that fascinated me just recently which I will detail in the follow-up post.
Whose your favorite supporting characters in P&P2. I would have to say mine is Mr. and Mrs. Gardiner because they are the only seemingly normal people in the whole place. I do however greatly like the performance of Mr. Bennet.
In Reply to: Re: Fabulous fashions (?) posted by my on August 21, 1996 at 17:39:57:
: Janey asked:
: : AND...did you catch the "twin" scene when Lizzie meets Georgiana for the
: : first time? They are wearing practically identical outfits! - same colour, same style...
: : Strikes me a little strange, since these 2 women are supposedly "miles apart" in
: : social status.
: You know what's funny though. When we see closer up, Georgiana's jacket (what are those short things called? Spensers, or Bingleys or something) is a print. I think that particular green must have been an easy colorfast dye in those days. You see it a lot in homes as well. I like the color.
: Amy
I had noticed the similarity just the other day--maybe it is a hint that they are going to be equals someday soon. I like the color too.
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In Reply to: Re: More confessions of a new addict posted by Heather on August 20, 1996 at 23:28:10:
: I'm glad to know there are a lot of other people out there that were as enamored with P&P as I was. I thought I was really strange to like it so much and now I know I am not alone. Ever since P&P was on in February, I have been dying to see it again. I'm excited to see it is on again on Sunday,
: I also saw Emma tonight and it was excellent! It has come closer to P&P than any of the other movie versions of Austen's novels that I have seen. It was so well cast and the humor was brilliant. I think I would have to say it topped the BBC's version of P&P. Like P&P, I never wanted it to end.
In Reply to: Re: research source on the role of servants posted by Ramona on August 21, 1996 at 21:11:38:
:
: : I did see the movie Remains of the Day with Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson which was very interesting and was about the life of a butler. This piqued my curiosity. But more importantly I had a dream that fascinated me just recently which I will detail in the follow-up post.
: In my dream I was watching a televised sequel to P&P2. It appeared to have the same actors as the other production. The difference was that it was video taped instead of filmed and it was taped in front of a live audience. I knew this because every time there was a funny line by Darcy or another character there was big, broad laughter in the background (mostly men's hearty laughter).
: At one point Darcy went into his house where Lizzie and various others were. It seems that they were engaged still instead of being married yet. Darcy asked Lizzie to accompany him to the bathroom (?) He was about to ask her something once they got in the room but they realized that another woman was in the bathtub behind the curtain. The woman came out of the tub where she had been reclining, fully clothed. Before she politely dismissed herself, Darcy apologized for not yet having danced with her. She assured him that that was alright.
: After the lady left the room, Darcy asked Lizzie to help him take off his shirt. She assisted him in getting the upper part of his body undressed. This seemed to be some sort of test for Lizzie-to see if she could take off his shirt or help him get dressed--nothing provocative.
: After I awoke from my dream, the last part struck me odd. Wouldn't Darcy have his servants assist him with dressing and undressing? Why would he have to "test" Lizzie to see if she could do this? Unless he was seeing if she would be willing, even though she shouldn't have to.
: And this is how I wonder about the role of servants. I don't know what inspired my dream--like I said it was thought provoking, not lustful--even if I am capable of the latter. Input please.
Hi Ramona! you may find "What Jane Austen Ate..." by Daniel Poole an informative start.
In Reply to: Re: research source on the role of servants posted by Ramona on August 21, 1996 at 21:11:38:
Ramona,
I don't know what to say about the dream. Pretty
weird. Did Darcy bow as the wet worman left?
Did you see Middlemarch? Lydgate undresses Rosamond saying something like, "For the servant it would be a job, for him it is pure pleasure."
I recommend Poole's book as well. Only one thing I don't remember seeing in it is an explanation of the bathroom functions. I've always wondered how, say at an event like the ball at Netherfield, they would have managed. A bunch of chamber pots in a bedroom? Servants to wash out each one as it is used?
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Fabulous fashions (?) posted by ramona on August 21, 1996 at 21:30:16:
Did anyone else notice that these low cut dresses do not appear in any of the other Austen adaptations such as Persuasion or
Sense and Sensibility?
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In Reply to: Wrong no such page posted by Amy on August 19, 1996 at 19:18:45:
: : John said:
: : : Could somebody elaborate on what the "missing" A&E parts consisted of?
John,
Found it on the web. Link below. Look under fun facts, #10.
Amy
In Reply to: Pushers posted by Amy on August 20, 1996 at 11:35:59:
None of my friends have taken an interest in P&P. Bless you all for existing and sharing! Today I caught myself fantasizing about mailing out elaborate ANNOUNCEMENTS to all my friends regarding the second coming of P&P later this month! Needless to say they would all think I have gone off the deep end. Oh how they vex my nerves! Karen in California
I am off this weekend for a family trip. Won't be posting for a few days. Just wanted to wish everybody a happy viewing of P&P2 on Sunday the 25th--get your tape recorders ready!!! Tell all your friends and family (duck as they try to throw something at you). Remember the shows will be repeated again several hours later each night as well.
Bye for now.
-Ramona
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In Reply to: Happy viewing!!! posted by Ramona Leiter on August 22, 1996 at 21:04:02:
I bet many of us are planning to make a nice copy with no -- or at least fewer -- commercials. If you are like me you are getting pretty darn tired of all those Norwegian Cruise and Lean Cusine commercials. Maybe I should nap those days to help me stay up and tape while the late showings are on when there should be fewer spots.
Amy
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I cannot believe my eyes - a support group for P&P addicts! It
is long overdue. I just bought the soundtrack and it's wonderful!
Each song brings back memories of the program. My favourite song
is Elizabeth Observed and Darcy's Second Proposal. If you haven't
gotten the soundtrack yet, you should!
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I cannot believe my eyes - a support group for P&P addicts! It
is long overdue. I just bought the soundtrack and it's wonderful!
Each song brings back memories of the program. My favourite song
is Elizabeth Observed and Darcy's Second Proposal. If you haven't
gotten the soundtrack yet, you should!
I've viewed P&P2 at least a good 125-150 times since I taped it off
A&E and now have the other version as well. I also have Persuasion
and saw Emma last night (which I thought was wonderful). The one
thing I've noticed in all of the film adaptations is that each film
with the exception of P&P0 has snippets of parts or shared items
from the other/proceeding film. I've seen all of the older BBC
versions and except for Mansfield Park and Sense and Sensibility,
and hated them. I liked the new S&S but I prefer versions closer
to the book.
Anyway, did you all know that Jane Ehle and Colin Firth were an
item in P&P2? It seems that it made all that passion he was
feeling all the more real.
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In Reply to: Poll posted by Amy on August 22, 1996 at 21:35:20:
Amy said:
: I bet many of us are planning to make a nice copy with no -- or at least fewer -- commercials. If you are like me you are getting pretty darn tired of all those Norwegian Cruise and Lean Cusine commercials. Maybe I should nap those days to help me stay up and tape while the late showings are on when there should be fewer spots.
: Amy
I don't have cable, so I can't join all of you in the communal viewing. I saw P&P2 on a video copy made by a friend. It wasn't a great copy, but I loved it anyway and watched it about 3 times in the 2 weeks it was in my possession. Then, the tape went to a friend who was at home with 6 month-old triplets. I don't know if she even managed to see it, but she then moved to Ireland and the tapes went too (although she can't even play them there). I kept checking the local video rental places, but they didn't have it. I resisted buying it (out of frugality). Earlier this month, I noticed that Blockbuster now has P&P2....but it's always gone! I have been nagging people I know to watch and tape it (the pusher thing?).
Last night I was cooking and ran out of an ingredient at 10:30 at night. I went to a minimarket right by Blockbuster, and felt that Fate had brought me to the video store. Sure enough, P&P2 was available. I put it on within 10 seconds of getting home, and was in heaven. Sheer will power that I went to bed a couple of hours later. I noticed more details than before, thanks to comments made on this BB and the Austen List. So, although I won't have the fun of trying to stop my VCR at all the commercials and know that many of you are doing the same, I at least am having a good fix this weekend!
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