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In Reply to: Re: here's to jane posted by Laura McCarthy on August 15, 1996 at 10:49:17:
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: : >: here's to Jane *toast*
: : Bennet or Austen?
: or better yet Eyre?
Oh-oh, Laura. Better? Them's fightin' words.
In Reply to: Emma, the Movie posted by Janey on August 15, 1996 at 11:32:39:
: I bet many people who read this bb have seen Emma by now.
Not me. Here in Bloomington, Ind. it is not likely to screen until IU classes resume, if then.
To compensate I rented the old BBC Emma today. I'll have to check the credits, but that Emma looks very much like a young Mrs Gardiner from P&P2. Anybody know?
Knighley is my favorite Austen hero. Now I can't wait to see the movie.
And can't wait to see the ITV production adapted by P&P2's Andrew Davies and produced by P&P2's Sure Birtwistle. It will air in England in December. Don't know what the deal is with US distribution. They must be shooting now. I know nothing of the cast, but I think it would be great if Anna "Miss Bingley" Chancellor were to play Mrs. Elton.
Amy
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In Reply to: Only the old Emma for me posted by Amy on August 15, 1996 at 17:46:48:
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: : I bet many people who read this bb have seen Emma by now.
: Not me. Here in Bloomington, Ind. it is not likely to screen until IU classes resume, if then.
: To compensate I rented the old BBC Emma today. I'll have to check the credits, but that Emma looks very much like a young Mrs Gardiner from P&P2. Anybody know?
: Knighley is my favorite Austen hero. Now I can't wait to see the movie.
: And can't wait to see the ITV production adapted by P&P2's Andrew Davies and produced by P&P2's Sure Birtwistle. It will air in England in December. Don't know what the deal is with US distribution. They must be shooting now. I know nothing of the cast, but I think it would be great if Anna "Miss Bingley" Chancellor were to play Mrs. Elton.
: Amy
Joanna David plays Mrs. Gardiner in P&P2. According to the Internet Movie database she was not in the older Emma. However the credits for the older Emma were quite scanty-they were not even sure of a year of it's release. I will look into it more.
I am hoping to see the new Emma this weekend. But it sure is like pulling teeth to find it playing anywhere. I haven't wanted to see a movie this bad in ages. I missed seeing Sense and Sensibility in the theatres this past winter and will not be able to forgive myself if I let the same thing happen this time. I at least have the ad for the movie on a tape.
In Reply to: 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 posted by Amy on August 05, 1996 at 21:41:39:
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: I blurted:
: >: You wonder why the A&E film is P&P2? Somebody on the Austen list started calling it that and it stuck. The "2" refers to its being the second BBC production of P&P. The other one (somebody help me out) was in 1980? ... Of course there was a film in 1940 starring Greer Garson and Lawrence Olivier.
: Someone (Edith I think) was explaining this numbering system the other day to a new Austen list member and she reminded me that the 1940 film is referred to as P&P0. Kinda digital, kinda programmery, huh? She also proposed that the Wishbone version be dubbed P&P3. Anyone see that one?
: Amy
I saw and taped the Wishbone Pride and Prejudice. It was delightful. Especially enjoyable was the comic portrayal of Caroline Bingley (as if she wasn't comical enough). Wishbone the dog made a fine Darcy although I wouldn't swoon over him like Colin Firth.
In Reply to: Only the old Emma for me posted by Amy on August 15, 1996 at 17:46:48:
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: : I bet many people who read this bb have seen Emma by now.
: Not me. Here in Bloomington, Ind. it is not likely to screen until IU classes resume, if then.
: To compensate I rented the old BBC Emma today. I'll have to check the credits, but that Emma looks very much like a young Mrs Gardiner from P&P2. Anybody know?
: Knighley is my favorite Austen hero. Now I can't wait to see the movie.
: And can't wait to see the ITV production adapted by P&P2's Andrew Davies and produced by P&P2's Sure Birtwistle. It will air in England in December. Don't know what the deal is with US distribution. They must be shooting now. I know nothing of the cast, but I think it would be great if Anna "Miss Bingley" Chancellor were to play Mrs. Elton.
: Amy
i haven't seen 'Emma' yet either, but have read all the reviews and Gwyneth Paltrow interviews that i could get my paws on instead... i was so relieved about the the general raves (except for Chris Null--this guy has to be the biggest illiterate dork about classics...he slammed 'Persuasion' and 'Clueless') i really can't wait to check out the flick. 'Emma' was my fave Austen book (not sure which one is my fave now--all these movie adaptations have tainted me, esp toward P&P!) and i am in heavenly delight about all these movie version attempts of the novel... boy, what a truly auspicious time to be a Jane-ite!
p.s. Amy, about that Anna Chancellor comment: you wouldn't by any chance be trying to start another "cross-casting" game btw P&P2 and Emma now, would you? :-) --eva
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In Reply to: Re: Be a casting director posted by Ramona on August 15, 1996 at 08:32:16:
: Charlotte could play Scarlett's friend who first told her about Rhett Butler. Mrs. Gardiner could be Mrs. Ohara and Mr. Gardiner could maybe be Frank Kennedy. Of course Kitty or Lydia would make a good Sue Ellen and Mariah could play the other sister (I forget her name).
continuing the fun:
how about Col. Fitzwilliam and Wickham as the Scarlett's beaux, the Tarleton twins?
i agree about Lydia being a great Sue Ellen ("she stole my beau--waaah!") ...or better yet, maybe Lydia and Wickham could be the "white trash" cracker couple who try to buy Tara (leading to the tragic Mr. O'Hara horse scene :-< ) !
and also, maybe Caroline Bingley could be Belle Whatley.
-eva
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In Reply to: Re: Be a casting director posted by eva on August 16, 1996 at 06:29:38:
Eva said:
>: i agree about Lydia being a great Sue Ellen ("she stole my beau--waaah!")
Amy
In Reply to: Re: Only the old Emma for me posted by eva on August 16, 1996 at 06:22:54:
Eva said:
>: p.s. Amy, about that Anna Chancellor comment: you wouldn't by any chance be trying to start another "cross-casting" game btw P&P2 and Emma now, would you? :-)
No but that's a good idea. Then after that maybe we could cast the LA Law company in a mini series about the OJ trial.
Amy
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In Reply to: Only the old Emma for me posted by Amy on August 15, 1996 at 17:46:48:
Now I understand why there hasn't been a flurry of postings about the Emma movie. I don't think Boston is the hub of the universe as many here would believe, but at least I have had many choices of theater to see all the Austen adaptations promptly, and even after Persuasion was released on video it was still showing in one theater. As for the next Emma, I have read somewhere (Austen-List?) about an Emma with Kate Winslet (from Sense & Sensibility) in the lead. If that is the Davies/Birtwistle production, so much the better. I would love to see a nice long Emma, as of course 2 hours requires shortchanging some scenes.
I rented the old Emma a couple of days ago, and couldn't get past the first hour, I found it so tedious. Emma was so unappealing and too old! Tell me if I should try again.
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In Reply to: Emma, the Movie posted by Janey on August 15, 1996 at 11:42:47:
Hello! I'm new to this support group, although I'm a veteran P&P2 viewer and Jane Austen fan, and I've been on the Austen List for some time.
I look forward to participating in them both! I have not yet seen Emma (I plan to this week while on vacation) but I have seen Jeremy Northam in The Net --
and I must admit, Mr. Darcy/Mr. Firth may have a bit of healthy competition in the leading man category. I always liked Mr. Knightley, but he did seem like
more of the elder brother type through most of the book, so the romance takes on a different quality than that of Lizzie and Darcy. You're right about the magnetism ...
Darcy has a certain je ne sais quoi! I think a lot of it has to do with his change in character as a result of his relationship with Lizzie. There must be so much passion there!
Well, that's all for now ... thanks for creating this bulletin board.
Celia
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In Reply to: Emma/P&P2 leading men posted by Celia on August 16, 1996 at 11:06:30:
Welcome Celia,
I know what you mean about Mr Knighly seeming like a big brother through most of the book. JA keeps a good secret. First time I read it I didn't tumble for the longest time.
In some ways, this plot strategy of keeping the eventual hero couple bickering is like contemporary TV shows like Cheers, Northern Exposure, that one with Jamie Lee Curtis and the upcoming Mr and Mrs Smith.
Amy
Hi! It's great to know I'm not the only PP addict in the world? Does anyone know anything about a movie that Jennifer Ehle is supposed to be filming with Glenn Close?
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I just read another great review of "Emma" although I haven't seen it yet myself. I wonder if the dialogue in the movie is as true to the book though, as P&P2 has been. By the way, has anyone noticed in the post wedding scene that Lizzie places her hand on Darcy's thigh as they are about to ride off. It's interesting that a familair touch such as that is now allowed now that they are married, while they have barely touched one another until this point.
I'm a beginner out here, and lonesome.What do I do next. Someone brief m please !
In Reply to: Re: Only the old Emma for me posted by Janey on August 16, 1996 at 08:27:44:
Janey sed:
>>> As for the next Emma, I have read somewhere (Austen-List?) about an Emma with Kate Winslet (from Sense & Sensibility) in the lead. If that is the Davies/Birtwistle production, so much the better. I would love to see a nice long Emma, as of course 2 hours requires shortchanging some scenes
.
Actually, I think it's Kate Beckinsdale.
Panting for this too. Scares me a little though. How do you think we ought to prepare for a possible new addiction now that we know what can happen? Just go with it? I don't know about anybody else, but putting up this board has cured me a little.
: I rented the old Emma a couple of days ago, and couldn't get past the first hour, I found it so tedious. Emma was so unappealing and too old! Tell me if I should try again.
I know. We are spoiled. I think maybe those BBC things shot on video are okay if you are in the right mood, want some variety or need something to get you to sleep.
And I agree about Emma. So stagey and speechy. Didn't look like she could be a younger sister of Mrs Gardiner though?
Amy
In Reply to: Lydia posted by Arnessa on August 12, 1996 at 01:33:08:
Arnessa sed:
(Don't you just love how she breaks out into giggles when Mr. Collins catches her half-dressed in the hallway.)
I liked that invention of Davies a lot. For one thing, it made Mr Collins later statement make more sense, when in coldoling, he said something like, "But for my part, I think she must be naturally bad."
I love it when she says to Kitty (at the breakfast table, no less!), "Let's call on Denny early, before he is dressed. What a shock he will get!" Then what is that sound they both make? They sound more like Valley Girls than demure Regency young women. But it works!
I like that MmmmmMmmm! too and I too wondered about it. How could a sound like that be authentic historically, unless some early 19th century nut like us took the trouble of describing it in writing. If Davies or someone in the production made it up, it is very clever, almost like inventing a new language. Hats off to them.
Amy
In Reply to: Emma, the Movie posted by Janey on August 15, 1996 at 11:42:47:
: I bet many people who read this bb have seen Emma by now. I won't give away any secrets in case you haven't, but I will tell you that the friends I saw it with actually preferred Mr Knightley to Firth's Darcy. I tend to think that Darcy (both as a literary character and as portrayed) has much more animal magnetism. I don't think Emma will replace the usefulness of PP2 as something to watch again and again, but I thought it was great fun!
Well, I can breathe easy now, I saw Emma finally! The audience I saw it with was very jovial throughout-laughing at even the most subtle humor. It was very nice to view it in this way to see how many others can think it funny instead of just watching it in the privacy of my home with only my own smirks or little giggles to appreciate it.
Emma lives up to the standards set by the other recent film adaptations. And for my friends and I who saw Clueless first, it was so delightful to see all the parallels. Clueless had done such a good job in carrying over the different plot lines and characters from Emma.
For me there are three categories of leading men in the recent film adaptations:
1) Nice guys who deserve happiness: Edward Ferrars/Hugh Grant, Mr. Bingley/Crispin Bonham Carter
2) Tragic heroes who were long ago thwarted in love, yet remain gentleman and therefore deserve happiness: Capt. Wentworth/Ciaran Hinds, Col. Brandon/Alan Rickman
3) Men who you personally wish you could bring happiness to: Mr. Darcy/Colin Firth and now Mr. Knightley/Jeremy Northram
Colin Firth's Mr. Darcy is incredibly romantic and probably will always be my favorite.
But Jeremy Northram's Mr. Knightley is so down to earth-the guy next door. I will say it: he's cute and cuddly. I felt much the same way about his modern counterpart Josh in Clueless (played by Paul Rudd). These guys are so adorable and seem closest to what one could realistically hope for in real life.
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In Reply to: Leading men: The difference posted by Ramona on August 17, 1996 at 12:12:52:
Ramona,
I like your categories. They make pretty much sense to me.
But you really have me curious now about the new portrayal of Mr Knightley. The way Austen draws him, he is a lot of great things, but cuddily does not spring to mind. No, not at all. Hmmm.
Amy
Colin Firth did a superb job in the most recent adaptation of P&P, but
did anybody enjoy Laurence Olivier's 1940 portrayal?
I was so used to Laurence in the role that it took awhile for me to
accept Colin's spin on the character.
But I think the latter had a more interesting time since the
BBC version included scenes that were cut from the Olivier
film.
This time around we had the chance to see Darcy dancing at several
balls (only he can dance haughtily!) as well as struggling with
his emotions (Lizzie's visit to Pemberley).
Also, the segments showing him searching for Lydia were terrific
in showing character development.
While Laurence Olivier's Darcy will always be a classic (for me,
anyway), The BBC script allowed Colin to really explore the
character (and give us more footage to watch over and over and
over...)
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