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willougby Written by Bridget D (10/21/2009 3:16 p.m.) in consequence of the missive, Drawing the calculating line in the sand, penned by Robbin

I think that he began with the idea of a flirtation, quickly realised that Marianne was too intense to flirt and that she was falling in love with him and then he encouraged her to indulge her feelings but he was aware that he could not afford to marry a girl wtih no dowry....

I just dont think that literally everything he did was calculated...he was aware that he could not afford to marry her so he should have left immediately but for soeme reason he stayed until the Mrs Smtih summons caused him to leave. I dont really see what he gets out of the relationship, except the pleasure of Marianne's company and her feelings for him, so I think that he did return her feelings to a small extent....

as for his avoiding actions that might lead to a breach of promise case, I dont think that he would assume marianne and her family who were so unworldly that Mrs D would never even take elementary precautions about checking out her daughter's suitor were likely to sue him for breach of promise...

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I think in Ch.44 Willoughby is 'genuine' ... Rachel G (10/12/2009 8:50 p.m.)

don't necessarily disagree Karen G. (10/12/2009 11:57 p.m.)
- Willoughby the Performer. Rachel G (10/13/2009 3:56 a.m.)
  - I very much agree with you, Rachel G Outi (10/13/2009 12:25 p.m.)
    - And Willoughby agrees with you. ;-) Reeba (10/13/2009 3:18 p.m.)
    - Many Bad Sides Robbin (10/14/2009 2:11 a.m.)
- Mrs. Smith as part of his drama LouAnn (10/13/2009 7:30 a.m.)
- A "geniune" performer - sounds a little like Marianne? Anselm (10/13/2009 9:43 a.m.)
  - a difference Karen G (10/13/2009 10:01 a.m.)
    - Humbled....humbled....humility. Aha!!!! Anselm (10/13/2009 11:59 a.m.)
      - drama queen   Karen G. (10/13/2009 11:58 p.m.)
        
        OK, fair cop!   Anselm (10/14/2009 5:09 a.m.)
        
        I must have too much share of the conversation ;)   Karen G (10/14/2009 1:29 p.m.)
        
        Marianne’s Mindset   Robbin (10/14/2009 8:26 p.m.)
        
        I definitely agree.   Anselm (10/15/2009 6:27 a.m.)
Nobody denies the painful, genuine.... Reeba (10/13/2009 5:06 a.m.)
- Just so! Rachel G (10/13/2009 6:39 a.m.)
Most of the posters in this and related threads Anselm (10/14/2009 4:40 a.m.)
- Elinors opinion of the confession Barb JA (10/14/2009 10:04 a.m.)
  - Once Elinor gains some perspective... Barbara (10/14/2009 12:58 p.m.)
    - Willoughby only regrets what has made him unhappy... Cathy Allen (10/14/2009 3:02 p.m.)
    - Do you think it odd though... Barb JA (10/14/2009 6:13 p.m.)
    - Willoughby's Guilt - What was JA's intention? Rachel G (10/16/2009 1:14 a.m.)
- Actually it isn´t fair... MarianneR (10/14/2009 3:42 p.m.)
- too negative Bridget D (10/15/2009 4:14 a.m.)
  - I think the reason many of us hate Willoughby... Elizabeth K (10/15/2009 4:30 a.m.)
    - honourable gentleman Bridget D (10/15/2009 4:45 a.m.)
      - Good analogy- foolish victim & opportunist Criminal : -) nfm Barb JA (10/15/2009 8:35 a.m.)
      - I suppose it depends on the way one looks at it (long) Elizabeth K (10/15/2009 8:52 a.m.)
  - Negative view of Willoughby Robbin (10/15/2009 8:04 p.m.)
    - I'm not sure where the onus of proof is, but... Tom P2 (10/15/2009 11:38 p.m.)
      - Interpreting Willoughby Rachel G (10/16/2009 1:39 a.m.)
      - Willoughby as Villain   Bridget D (10/16/2009 4:33 a.m.)
        
        Flirts and selfish men   Elizabeth K (10/16/2009 8:49 a.m.)
        
        Flirting and selfish men   Bridget D (10/17/2009 6:13 a.m.)
        
        Flirtation versus Courtship   Robbin (10/21/2009 12:24 p.m.)
        
        Well reasoned & well put. nfm   nan duval (10/21/2009 4:10 p.m.)
        
        Willoughby and marrianne   Bridget D (10/22/2009 7:20 a.m.)
        
        Different opinions...   Rachel G (10/22/2009 9:31 a.m.)
        
        Willoughy in book   Bridget D (10/22/2009 2:50 p.m.)
        
        Bridget D....   Elizabeth K (10/22/2009 3:19 p.m.)
        
        Adult guidance.. and further rambling   Barb JA (10/22/2009 11:01 a.m.)
        
        Age of Consent   Bridget D (10/23/2009 7:10 a.m.)
        
        Age disparity   Barb JA (10/23/2009 12:39 p.m.)
        
        Adult guidance   Bridget D (10/24/2009 2:52 a.m.)
        
        Re ; 'her friend's father'.   Rachel G (10/24/2009 3:52 a.m.)
        
        Friend's father   Bridget D (10/24/2009 8:42 a.m.)
        
        Parental Authority & Income   Robbin (10/24/2009 12:50 p.m.)
        
        Eliza and her friend's foolishness   Bridget D (10/25/2009 3:53 a.m.)
        
        Slight mistake   Bridget D (10/25/2009 5:54 a.m.)
        
        Friend's of Eliza   Robbin (10/25/2009 11:47 p.m.)
        
        You seem to think that only foolish and/or immoral   kathleen (elder) (10/24/2009 7:22 a.m.)
        
        Agree with Kathleen (elder)   maud l (10/24/2009 11:09 p.m.)
        
        pregnancy   Bridget D (10/25/2009 3:58 a.m.)
        
        As this discussion is still going on, I feel   Reeba (10/25/2009 6:30 a.m.)
        
        Indiscretion   Bridget D (10/25/2009 6:44 a.m.)
        
        Oh dear, getting drawn in again....;-)   Elizabeth K (10/25/2009 6:53 a.m.)
        
        And we are getting further off topic :-)   kathleen (elder) (10/25/2009 6:55 a.m.)
        
        Sorry, Kathleen. :-) Such an absorbing topic! ;-) (nfm)   Elizabeth K (10/25/2009 7:25 a.m.)
        
        well to return to the basic S&S situation   Bridget D (10/25/2009 7:11 a.m.)
        
        When you say..   Reeba (10/25/2009 10:57 a.m.)
        
        One minor point -- do we know the gender of Eliza's   kathleen (elder) (10/25/2009 6:50 a.m.)
        
        oooops!! :-/ nfm   Reeba (10/25/2009 10:55 a.m.)
        
        Actually, Bridget D, it did happen in Jane Austen's world   Elizabeth K (10/25/2009 6:35 a.m.)
        
        carryings on   Bridget D (10/25/2009 6:55 a.m.)
        
        You are very, very harsh on these people, then   kathleen (elder) (10/25/2009 6:36 a.m.)
        
        I agree, Kathleen   Elizabeth K (10/25/2009 6:39 a.m.)
        
        Flirtation   Barb JA (10/16/2009 12:42 p.m.)
        
        flirting   Bridget D (10/16/2009 1:56 p.m.)
        
        Drawing the calculating line in the sand   Robbin (10/21/2009 12:05 p.m.)
        
        willougby   Bridget D (10/21/2009 3:16 p.m.)
        
        Willoughby’s Intent   Robbin (10/22/2009 11:04 a.m.)
        
        Respectable rakes and illicit careers   Barb JA (10/22/2009 11:58 a.m.)
      - Great points, Tom P2 Ramya (10/16/2009 9:29 a.m.)
      - Proof Ivonne (10/16/2009 10:25 a.m.)
      - Well put! Outi (10/16/2009 1:19 p.m.)
      - *The* proof...   Reeba (10/21/2009 1:38 p.m.)
        
        Is your 'proof of pudding' the same as my term 'conduct'? nfm   Tom P2 (10/21/2009 6:06 p.m.)
        
        I'm not really sure...   Reeba (10/22/2009 3:49 p.m.)
    - Willoughby again Bridget D (10/16/2009 4:44 a.m.)
      - Willougby and Edward   Bridget D (10/16/2009 5:30 a.m.)
        
        Molest Them?   Robbin (10/18/2009 1:30 a.m.)
        
        That's Also What I Thought   maud l (10/18/2009 3:55 a.m.)
        
        Sorry I made a mistake   Bridget D (10/18/2009 7:34 a.m.)
        
        Thank you   Robbin (10/19/2009 2:04 a.m.)
        
        You know   Karen G (10/19/2009 5:33 p.m.)

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