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Great summary - Written by MarianneR (10/21/2009 4:21 a.m.) in consequence of the missive, Comparing confessions. (longish), penned by nan duval

you pointed out that Marianne is willing to change and this is what I like with Jane Austen´s heroines. They are human beings with all their foibles (and as in Emma nearly unbearable at times), but they are maturing in the course of the novel. In the end the reader gets to forgive and love them all the more. Much more realistic than those flawless heroines who seem to be saints rather than human beings.

Thanks again for outlining Marianne´s confession.

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She shall forgive me again, and on more reasonable grounds Robbin (10/10/2009 3:05 a.m.)

What this says about Willoughby---and Brandon Mary Anne (10/10/2009 10:15 a.m.)
- Wonderful insight, nfm Barb JA (10/11/2009 8:56 a.m.)
- Excellent analysis Reeba (10/11/2009 4:19 p.m.)
- Comparing the confessions Barbara (10/11/2009 6:21 p.m.)
  - No embellishments Mary Anne (10/11/2009 8:15 p.m.)
  - further comparison Karen G. (10/11/2009 10:24 p.m.)
    - I like the word *performer* for Willoughby. nfm Reeba (10/12/2009 12:53 p.m.)
  - Dread of One Event Robbin (10/14/2009 12:31 a.m.)
    - Omission of the duel. Rachel G (10/14/2009 1:34 p.m.)
      - Willoughby's dread of Marianne's marriage   Barbara (10/14/2009 2:40 p.m.)
        
        Col Brandon’s Advantage   Robbin (10/14/2009 8:47 p.m.)
        
        Money again...   MarianneR (10/15/2009 4:47 a.m.)
      - But weren't duels illegal? Outi (10/16/2009 1:33 p.m.)
        
        Very true. Rachel G (10/16/2009 1:55 p.m.)
- The horsewhip? I believe that TimLee has it. Graciela (10/11/2009 11:22 p.m.)
Does ANYONE agree that W explained himself? Let's vote! Cathy Allen (10/10/2009 4:15 p.m.)
- No maud l (10/10/2009 5:46 p.m.)
- Taking your question literally... Rachel G (10/10/2009 8:49 p.m.)
  - WIllougby's repentance Bridget D (10/11/2009 5:05 a.m.)
    - Like a child Barbara (10/11/2009 6:08 p.m.)
      - Yeah, he lost the package deal   Karen G. (10/11/2009 10:35 p.m.)
        
        And of course, the spoiled brat   nan duval (10/12/2009 10:12 a.m.)
        
        Ooooo -- VERY well said, nan! (nfm)   Cathy Allen (10/12/2009 10:44 a.m.)
      - More like a spoilt brat. One of Lady M's own :-D nfm Reeba (10/12/2009 6:48 a.m.)
    - Unrepentant Wrongdoer Robbin (10/13/2009 9:40 a.m.)
  - I like your summary very much, Rachel G Outi (10/11/2009 5:08 a.m.)
  - Excuse me, does ANYONE feel that W vindicated himself? Cathy Allen (10/11/2009 12:55 p.m.)
    - My apologies, Cathy Allen. Rachel G (10/11/2009 1:21 p.m.)
- No, I don't, because... Reeba (10/11/2009 3:08 p.m.)
Forgiving Willoughby Rachel G (10/10/2009 8:46 p.m.)
- I think he's actrually... Reeba (10/11/2009 4:13 p.m.)
So how could Elinor and Marianne forgive him? MarianneR (10/11/2009 2:04 p.m.)
- Elinor's forgiveness. Rachel G (10/11/2009 3:37 p.m.)
  - Distraction; Elinor's wedge (part 2); cooler reflection in ch45 Tom P2 (10/11/2009 6:44 p.m.)
- Elinor is in a vulnerable state of mind. Reeba (10/11/2009 4:08 p.m.)
  - She's also had next to no sleep Barbara (10/11/2009 5:56 p.m.)
  - Marrying Eliza Bridget D (10/12/2009 1:53 a.m.)
    - He Had Finished With Her maud l (10/12/2009 1:58 a.m.)
      - intent to marry   Bridget D (10/12/2009 2:11 a.m.)
        
        She had no money   kathleen (elder) (10/12/2009 6:26 a.m.)
        
        Exactly.   nan duval (10/12/2009 10:09 a.m.)
        
        I wonder...   Barbara (10/12/2009 12:18 p.m.)
        
        In defence of Eliza   Elizabeth K (10/12/2009 6:29 a.m.)
        
        Eliza's fault?   Bridget D (10/15/2009 4:23 a.m.)
        
        If we knew when Eliza's birthday was...   Cathy Allen (10/15/2009 11:11 a.m.)
        
        Exactly, Cathy Allen.   Elizabeth K (10/15/2009 1:14 p.m.)
        
        Statutory   Bridget D (10/15/2009 1:18 p.m.)
        
        Which is exactly what you've been saying   CarolTS (10/15/2009 5:11 p.m.)
        
        Willoughby and Eliza (again!)   Elizabeth K (10/16/2009 8:42 a.m.)
        
        well I'll agree to disagree   Bridget D (10/16/2009 2:08 p.m.)
        
        Marianne seduced   CarolTS (10/16/2009 5:37 p.m.)
        
        Even good girls can be weak on occasion :-)   kathleen (elder) (10/16/2009 5:52 p.m.)
        
        Good Point   maud l (10/16/2009 6:06 p.m.)
        
        Rationalizing her behaviour   Barbara (10/16/2009 9:23 p.m.)
        
        If loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right   TimLee (10/16/2009 10:46 p.m.)
        
        Marianne seduced?   Bridget D (10/17/2009 5:22 a.m.)
        
        So, no good, moral young woman every gave in   kathleen (elder) (10/17/2009 5:43 a.m.)
        
        Jane Austen's Marianne   Bridget D (10/17/2009 6:06 a.m.)
        
        I think many young women, including fictional   kathleen (elder) (10/17/2009 7:08 a.m.)
        
        Any Marianne   BarbaraB (10/17/2009 1:54 p.m.)
        
        Marianne as seducible   Bridget D (10/18/2009 7:31 a.m.)
        
        Austen's heroines   Elizabeth K (10/18/2009 11:38 a.m.)
        
        principles versus convention   Bridget D (10/19/2009 7:09 a.m.)
        
        Time to stop this discussion   kathleen (elder) (10/19/2009 7:36 a.m.)
        
        Of course they did!   Outi (10/17/2009 10:30 a.m.)
        
        I agree   Ramya (10/17/2009 12:26 p.m.)
        
        I agree   Robbin (10/18/2009 12:15 a.m.)
        
        Marianne   BarbaraB (10/17/2009 11:27 a.m.)
- Why wouldn't Elinor forgive? Outi (10/12/2009 2:32 p.m.)
  - Elinor's attitude towards Willoughby LouAnn (10/12/2009 3:03 p.m.)
  - Unmerited Forgiveness Robbin (10/14/2009 12:38 a.m.)
How can one even think of it... Reeba (10/11/2009 5:14 p.m.)
- A comfort to W to know how M would look dead? Cathy Allen (10/12/2009 11:13 a.m.)
- PS: There's a time to play, and a time to work.... Reeba (10/13/2009 10:05 a.m.)
  - Monster behind the Mask Robbin (10/13/2009 5:35 p.m.)
Comparing confessions. (longish) nan duval (10/16/2009 11:18 p.m.)
- Lovely summary of Marianne's repentance, nfm Barb JA (10/17/2009 8:35 a.m.)
  - I agree. Nan you are so clever! nfm (:D) Robbin (10/18/2009 12:17 a.m.)
- Great summary - MarianneR (10/21/2009 4:21 a.m.)

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