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I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but Written by Cathy Allen (5/27/2007 11:30 a.m.) in consequence of the missive, Mr. Darcy did NOT insult Elizabeth in public, penned by Cathy Allen

The meaning of the term "gentleman" has changed in 200 years. It is my understanding that the word meant only "landed gentry" (from Joan Ray's "Jane Austen for Dummies"), not "a kind man with good manners," as it does now. Therefore, I still feel that Mr. Darcy behaved as a gentleman, to his idea, and my original statement in this thread stands. He was so offended by Elizabeth's reaction to his ("ungentlemanlike") proposal because he was not AWARE of ever behaving in an ungentlemanlike manner.

So we are discussing apples and oranges. I agree that his behavior was ungentlemanlike, in our modern sense of the word, but as JA wrote it, 200 years ago, he was, in my opinion, not ungentlemanly.

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The Proposal (gasp!) Cathy Allen (5/24/2007 3:30 p.m.)

I still have trouble with the notion... Karen 2L (5/25/2007 6:00 p.m.)
- Mr. Darcy did NOT insult Elizabeth in public Cathy Allen (5/26/2007 12:16 a.m.)
  - Lizzy just had superhuman hearing. nfm nan duval (5/28/2007 4:17 p.m.)
  - I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but Cathy Allen (5/27/2007 11:30 a.m.)
    - Not really... Robbin (5/27/2007 7:31 p.m.)
      - And it's not just Elizabeth's opinion Tracy W (5/27/2007 8:21 p.m.)
        
        CH. 31 Colonel Fitzwilliam says... Moni (5/28/2007 4:41 a.m.)
    - Not quite Line (5/27/2007 2:54 p.m.)
  - Of course he did... Karen 2L (5/26/2007 7:38 p.m.)
  - You are right… Robbin (5/26/2007 6:42 p.m.)
  - By the way John S2 (5/26/2007 6:29 a.m.)
    - John.... JulieW (5/26/2007 7:51 a.m.)
    - No problem discussing material in *previous* chapters - it's the Line (5/26/2007 7:28 a.m.)
      - I think I have it straight now - Thanks. nfm John S2 (5/26/2007 4:38 p.m.)
  - I agree it was not on purpose John S2 (5/26/2007 6:06 a.m.)
    - I cannot agree that Darcy was so shallow to ... Adrian (5/26/2007 12:22 p.m.)
      - Excellent point! John S2 (5/26/2007 4:56 p.m.)
  - He was audible therefore did not care... Helen Halstead (5/26/2007 12:40 a.m.)
    - Yes, and the public nature... Moni (5/26/2007 9:27 a.m.)
- Though I am genreally pro-Darcy, I have to agree with you (nfm) Silvia O (5/25/2007 9:08 p.m.)
Honesty and kindness Line (5/24/2007 6:30 p.m.)
- Not a PERFECT gentleman, Line, I agree, but Cathy Allen (5/25/2007 12:24 p.m.)
  - That quotation... Line (5/25/2007 6:06 p.m.)
    - Ah, good explanation, thanks Line! Makes sense. (nfm) Cathy Allen (5/25/2007 6:51 p.m.)
  - It seems odd for a gentleman like him... John S2 (5/25/2007 5:06 p.m.)
    - Was Darcy's proposal a rational decision? Tracy W (5/26/2007 12:57 a.m.)
      - Darcy is agitated Robbin (5/26/2007 6:55 p.m.)
      - I disagree John S2 (5/26/2007 5:39 p.m.)
      - Good argument. nfm Susan L (5/26/2007 5:17 a.m.)
    - I too don't see Darcy consulting anyone ... Helen Halstead (5/25/2007 7:47 p.m.)
      - I can now offer this evidence   John S2 (5/27/2007 4:30 a.m.)
        
        Are you serious, John?   Helen Halstead (5/28/2007 6:09 a.m.)
        
        How would a second opinion help?   Tracy W (5/27/2007 5:14 p.m.)
        
        Young love   John S2 (5/28/2007 2:16 a.m.)
        
        Darcy's infatuation "winning"   Kathi (5/29/2007 12:15 a.m.)
        
        Different definitions?   Tracy W (5/28/2007 4:40 p.m.)
        
        I think we are close   John S2 (5/28/2007 7:33 p.m.)
        
        Agreed then   Tracy W (5/28/2007 7:51 p.m.)
        
        Yes nfm   John S2 (5/28/2007 8:08 p.m.)
        
        Constant intimacy   Line (5/27/2007 8:24 a.m.)
    - I don't find it odd at all Line (5/25/2007 6:12 p.m.)
      - Good point, Line   Cathy Allen (5/25/2007 6:57 p.m.)
        
        The friendly unavailable Colonel   John S2 (5/25/2007 7:15 p.m.)
        
        It is indeed a line from P&P2...   Karen 2L (5/25/2007 9:18 p.m.)

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