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An ideal that JA wanted to promote Written by Line (4/30/2010 9:20 a.m.) in consequence of the missive, 21 st century points of view, penned by Benedicte

*Of course* marrying for love was an ideal that JA wanted to promote! As you say, the reality was very different for many if not most of JA's contemporaries. This is why, IMO, Charlotte's situation is described so sympathetically. However, just because a practice is accepted as a given by most of the population doesn't mean it's right. Not to get too deep into a hot-button topic, but slavery was 100% legal and accepted as a necessary evil by most of the population during JA's lifetime. Does that mean it was right?

Also, when JA talked about love, for her, love was very much based on respect. She was *not* talking about infatuation or sexual passion (at least not sexual passion on its own!). I'd like to come back to this topic later in the GR, because there's evidence later in the novel for JA's own attitude.

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Charlotte, Spinsterhood and Society (Long) BarbaraB (4/27/2010 3:51 a.m.)

Very good analysis. As I posted below, in Emma we have AnnetteJ (4/27/2010 8:18 a.m.)
- Ideals vs Comfort Aaron (4/27/2010 1:55 p.m.)
  - without feeling [] blind, partial, prejudiced, absurd Stephanie (4/27/2010 4:19 p.m.)
    - the lottery vs Mr. Collins Aaron (4/27/2010 4:34 p.m.)
      - So glad that in the 21st century we have choices not available AnnetteJ (4/28/2010 8:05 a.m.)
    - But again... Line (4/27/2010 9:26 p.m.)
      - That reminds of what Lizzy says   Connie (4/27/2010 10:42 p.m.)
        
        Dangerous Liaison   Robbin (4/28/2010 10:49 p.m.)
        
        An early reference   Aaron (4/29/2010 1:36 a.m.)
        
        And if she learns that his flaws are worse than   kathleen (elder) (4/29/2010 6:02 a.m.)
        
        Can Someone Tell Me   Aaron (4/29/2010 1:04 p.m.)
        
        Chapter 22   kathleen (elder) (4/29/2010 1:28 p.m.)
        
        Dear katheeln(elder) and those who also...(long)   Silvia A (4/29/2010 5:27 p.m.)
        
        Your post is very well written :-)   kathleen (elder) (4/29/2010 9:19 p.m.)
        
        Thank you Silvia.   Reeba (4/30/2010 9:32 a.m.)
        
        Are you sure that Elizabeth was the only   kathleen (elder) (4/30/2010 9:58 a.m.)
        
        Nothing is sure,   Reeba (4/30/2010 1:40 p.m.)
        
        I agree that there may be some other   kathleen (elder) (4/30/2010 1:58 p.m.)
        
        But all those...   Reeba (4/30/2010 2:39 p.m.)
        
        PS   Reeba (4/30/2010 2:42 p.m.)
        
        Exactly!   kathleen (elder) (4/30/2010 6:55 p.m.)
        
        Mrs Bennet produced Lizzy ;-) nfm   Reeba (4/30/2010 7:14 p.m.)
        
        And Mary & Kitty & Lydia nfm   kathleen (elder) (4/30/2010 9:02 p.m.)
        
        Deceit & Improving Mr. Collins   Robbin (5/1/2010 11:27 p.m.)
        
        About "not deceiving or hurting anyone".....   Silvia A (5/2/2010 10:40 a.m.)
        
        And, if "not deceiving or hurting anyone" ...   gianni (5/2/2010 1:28 p.m.)
        
        "Lies" that Darcy did not use in his proposal! nfm   Stephanie (5/2/2010 6:45 p.m.)
        
        And Darcy was so successful? (nfm)   Adrian (5/2/2010 6:58 p.m.)
        
        she was at first sorry for the pain he was to receive   Stephanie (5/3/2010 3:44 p.m.)
        
        Are you then justifying what Charlotte did...   Adrian (5/3/2010 8:32 p.m.)
        
        Deceiving Mr Collins   Bridget D (5/3/2010 2:49 a.m.)
        
        Deceit: Charlotte vs Darcy   Connie (5/3/2010 10:51 a.m.)
        
        Twice recently Charlotte has been accused of...   Adrian (5/3/2010 12:32 p.m.)
        
        charlotte   Bridget D (5/3/2010 1:11 p.m.)
        
        Self-interest is not toadying   Adrian (5/3/2010 8:22 p.m.)
        
        toadying   Bridget D (5/4/2010 7:14 a.m.)
        
        Mr. Collins's toadying, rationally softened   Connie (5/3/2010 3:53 p.m.)
        
        Exactly   Line (5/3/2010 4:58 p.m.)
        
        Sense, lies & Insensibility   Robbin (5/2/2010 5:31 p.m.)
        
        Yes, that is Charlotte's view   Connie (4/29/2010 12:07 p.m.)
        
        Charlotte is Wrongheaded   Robbin (4/29/2010 12:32 p.m.)
        
        And yet, we are unmoved ...   gianni (4/29/2010 9:40 p.m.)
        
        Life as a Nun   Aaron (4/30/2010 3:21 a.m.)
        
        I can (and do) doubt that Mr Collins loves   kathleen (elder) (4/30/2010 6:21 a.m.)
        
        Agree that...   BarbaraB (4/30/2010 4:59 p.m.)
        
        mr and Mrs Collins   Bridget D (5/1/2010 7:15 a.m.)
        
        He's not physically repulsive   Graciela (5/1/2010 10:42 a.m.)
        
        I agree   Line (5/1/2010 10:59 a.m.)
        
        Mr Collins   Bridget D (5/2/2010 1:20 a.m.)
        
        LOL: I Say Eeeek too but...   BarbaraB (4/30/2010 2:47 p.m.)
      - Don't they pave roads and buy schools computers? :) nfm Stephanie (4/27/2010 11:47 p.m.)
        
        True! :-) (nfm) Line (4/28/2010 9:07 a.m.)
If Charlotte had married a sensible man... Connie (4/27/2010 10:45 a.m.)
- Although few in Austen's books ever seem to long for AnnetteJ (4/27/2010 11:11 a.m.)
  - Charlotte will be a great mom! Heather Leigh (4/27/2010 4:13 p.m.)
    - Charlotte and Children Bridget D (5/1/2010 7:08 a.m.)
      - mothers in Austen Heather Leigh (5/3/2010 6:49 p.m.)
emergence of *marriage* Lini (4/27/2010 1:14 p.m.)
- Very good points! nfm AnnetteJ (4/27/2010 2:46 p.m.)
21 st century points of view Benedicte (4/29/2010 5:27 p.m.)
- An ideal that JA wanted to promote Line (4/30/2010 9:20 a.m.)
  - Absolutely agree. JA was not Marianne Dashwood. Connie (4/30/2010 3:46 p.m.)

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