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Many thanks, and our last cinquain winner... Lynn (3/29/2009 4:25 p.m.)

:) Reeba---Congratulations---Loved it. nfm BarbaraB (3/29/2009 7:20 p.m.)
Congrats Reeba--wonderful! (;D) nfm Robbin (3/29/2009 7:17 p.m.)

Great Group Read BarbaraB (3/28/2009 10:59 a.m.)

I've enjoyed it and learnt from it too. Thank you all! nfm Tom P2 (3/29/2009 8:09 p.m.)
Good job Lynn, way to go! (nfm) TimLee (3/29/2009 5:08 p.m.)
Next Group Read - Sir Charles Grandison? Ellen M (3/29/2009 2:01 p.m.)
This was my very first RoP Group Read Ellen M (3/29/2009 1:34 p.m.)
Have we finished already? MarianneR (3/29/2009 11:47 a.m.)
Hear, Hear! nan duval (3/29/2009 10:33 a.m.)
Thanks to Lynn and all the readers Virginia (3/29/2009 9:03 a.m.)
Thank you! Emmeline (3/29/2009 6:20 a.m.)
Oh, No! gianni (3/29/2009 2:01 a.m.)
Thanks Robbin (3/29/2009 12:58 a.m.)
Thanks, everybody! JoAnn (3/29/2009 12:56 a.m.)
Thanks Lynn and all participants... Moni (3/28/2009 6:58 p.m.)
Thank you all Rachel G (3/28/2009 5:33 p.m.)
Very informative and interesting... Reeba (3/28/2009 12:00 p.m.)
Thanks for a great GR, everybody! :-) Line (3/28/2009 11:04 a.m.)

Ch.31: Jane Austen, fairy godmother? Line (3/28/2009 10:55 a.m.)

HA -- Eleanor as Cinderella! Cathy Allen (3/28/2009 2:13 p.m.)

I hope it's not out of order ... gianni (3/27/2009 10:49 p.m.)

How interesting JoAnn (3/29/2009 2:24 a.m.)
VERY interesting, thanks, gianni! (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/28/2009 2:07 p.m.)

Post chaise Lynn (3/27/2009 8:13 p.m.)

Wow, thanks, Lynn; that's not at all what I thought! Cathy Allen (3/27/2009 10:57 p.m.)

Ch 31: clandestine correspondence Julia Catherine (3/27/2009 1:36 p.m.)

Yes Robbin (3/27/2009 3:23 p.m.)
- Thanks! nfm Julia Catherine (3/27/2009 5:21 p.m.)

Ch.30: Knowledge of other people's finances Line (3/27/2009 9:25 a.m.)

It helped, perhaps, that Catherine and the Allens had... Adrian (3/27/2009 1:23 p.m.)

Ch.30: The origin of Henry's affection Line (3/27/2009 9:09 a.m.)

Oh my! Ellen M (3/27/2009 4:40 p.m.)
Gratitude in Action Robbin (3/27/2009 12:41 p.m.)
- Compared to those who formerly sought Henry's... Adrian (3/27/2009 1:15 p.m.)
  - Would there have been any such people? Tom P2 (3/27/2009 6:30 p.m.)

So how did you do with your focus? Lynn (3/27/2009 7:54 a.m.)

Accidental focus: Thorpe and the General TimLee (3/29/2009 6:43 p.m.)
First time reader's thoughts Cathy Allen (3/27/2009 10:48 p.m.)
My Robbin (3/27/2009 10:41 p.m.)
re-reading NA Emmeline (3/27/2009 5:40 p.m.)
My focus on Henry's POV got a bit diffused Tom P2 (3/27/2009 5:08 p.m.)
- Thanks, Tom, ... gianni (3/27/2009 9:39 p.m.)
  - About Henry and Isabella (longish, sorry!) Line (3/28/2009 10:38 a.m.)
    - So let me rephrase ... gianni (3/29/2009 3:02 a.m.)
      - Simple, proper prudence combined with filial respect Robbin (3/29/2009 3:17 p.m.)
      - I agree JoAnn (3/29/2009 11:46 a.m.)
    - Henry�s judgment of Isabella & Frederick Robbin (3/29/2009 12:49 a.m.)
    - Interpretations, and the expression 'met with' Tom P2 (3/28/2009 6:47 p.m.)
    - Another alternative ;-) Reeba (3/28/2009 12:41 p.m.)
I didn't have a focus, but learned something new Ellen M (3/27/2009 11:58 a.m.)
At least three surprises Line (3/27/2009 10:04 a.m.)
- One of the points... Reeba (3/27/2009 11:17 a.m.)
  - Exactly why it was such a slip-up... Line (3/27/2009 6:51 p.m.)
    - Financially more attractive. nfm Reeba (3/28/2009 11:56 a.m.)
  - But Isabella was already dancing with Capt. Tilney... Adrian (3/27/2009 1:09 p.m.)
    - Mrs. Radcliffe Virginia (3/28/2009 10:39 a.m.)

Mrs. Moreland's prescience TimLee (3/26/2009 2:12 p.m.)

One think I like is that Lynn (3/26/2009 2:56 p.m.)
- "the decent appearance of consent " TimLee (3/26/2009 4:37 p.m.)
  - Sequel - General Tilney remarries! Ellen M (3/26/2009 8:32 p.m.)
    - They deserve each other! JoAnn (3/26/2009 10:08 p.m.)

Ch.29-30: The Morlands' reaction Line (3/26/2009 10:13 a.m.)

Good points, all of you! :-) (nfm) Line (3/26/2009 6:49 p.m.)
- Needless trouble Robbin (3/26/2009 10:23 p.m.)
  - Mrs. Morland's caution to Sarah. Adrian (3/27/2009 1:07 p.m.)
    - Sarah�s curiosity MarianneR (3/28/2009 6:18 p.m.)
    - Nah, she was just being a typical kid sister! (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/27/2009 1:25 p.m.)
      - As a younger sister myself, I agree with Cathy A. nfm   Ellen M (3/27/2009 4:02 p.m.)
        
        Yes, IMO what's so funny about...   Line (3/27/2009 6:12 p.m.)
        
        Yes, indeed!   Emmeline (3/28/2009 6:54 a.m.)
        
        Exactly! Well said. nfm   Ellen M (3/27/2009 10:17 p.m.)
The Morlands have 9 other children to take care of... Cathy Allen (3/26/2009 5:06 p.m.)
Perhaps Mrs Morland is... Reeba (3/26/2009 12:20 p.m.)
The Morland's reaction Lisa Dalrymple (3/26/2009 12:08 p.m.)
The line that I like Lynn (3/26/2009 11:22 a.m.)
- That line about practice JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:19 p.m.)

Yet another shift of mood - more LOL lines! JoAnn (3/26/2009 2:31 a.m.)

Good choices, among so many! Cathy Allen (3/26/2009 12:21 p.m.)
Typical Mrs Allen. CH 29 Reeba (3/26/2009 12:09 p.m.)
Henry's line in Chapter 27 Ellen M (3/26/2009 10:45 a.m.)
Ch30,31 - When you break rules, break 'em good and hard Tom P2 (3/26/2009 5:53 a.m.)
- This is what I love about the narrator's voice in this book JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:16 p.m.)
  - And this is what makes NA so difficult to adapt. Adrian (3/26/2009 1:09 p.m.)
    - Good point! (nfm) Line (3/26/2009 6:15 p.m.)
  - Which is pretty much exactly what JA's family did! Cathy Allen (3/26/2009 12:32 p.m.)
    - Audiobooks, hmmm... another medium to enjoy =) nfm Ellen M (3/26/2009 6:54 p.m.)
      - NA audio book Cathy Allen (3/27/2009 1:29 p.m.)
    - And it shows in this book JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:46 p.m.)

When Eleanor says they have another engagement JoAnn (3/26/2009 2:14 a.m.)

Chalk up another believer here! Line (3/26/2009 10:17 a.m.)
- We know that they did actually go JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:23 p.m.)
  - She realizes that the general was getting rid of her Graciela (3/26/2009 4:38 p.m.)
    - To make her travel on Sunday! Leah Noel (3/26/2009 8:21 p.m.)
      - I hadn't even noticed that! JoAnn (3/26/2009 11:06 p.m.)
- Ah; a reason why the letter would be addressed to Alice Cathy Allen (3/26/2009 12:10 p.m.)
  - Alice... Ra (3/27/2009 12:44 p.m.)
    - More about Alice and that letter Line (3/27/2009 6:25 p.m.)
  - It did happen: Lisa Dalrymple (3/26/2009 12:20 p.m.)
    - Thanks, Lisa! (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/26/2009 12:24 p.m.)

Lessons in duplicity JoAnn (3/26/2009 2:05 a.m.)

Good Call Robbin (3/27/2009 1:48 a.m.)
- Catherine realizing the mixture of good and bad Ellen M (3/27/2009 11:47 a.m.)

Catherine's visit to Woodston JoAnn (3/26/2009 1:53 a.m.)

"The cottage remains" Graciela (3/27/2009 2:04 a.m.)
More insight into Henry's nature through his environment Delories (3/26/2009 4:28 p.m.)
I especially love the scene in front of the house MarianneR (3/26/2009 4:22 p.m.)
I love this, too. Lynn (3/26/2009 7:59 a.m.)
Like father, like son Tom P2 (3/26/2009 6:11 a.m.)
- And I'm much more likely to believe JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:27 p.m.)

The Alarms of Romance Robbin (3/25/2009 10:54 p.m.)

Elinor, real gothic heroine Robbin (3/25/2009 10:52 p.m.)

Where's the backstory? Karen G (3/26/2009 1:41 p.m.)
- Ja recognizes that he came out of nowhere Graciela (3/26/2009 4:16 p.m.)
  - Also, brazen coincidences were part of the genre... Adrian (3/26/2009 6:05 p.m.)
    - The bit about the viscount being the gentleman Graciela (3/26/2009 11:29 p.m.)
    - I hadn't even thought of that JoAnn (3/26/2009 11:11 p.m.)
There�s another "gothic" trait in her... MarianneR (3/26/2009 1:01 p.m.)
I don't think that he "discovered" that he was nobility Graciela (3/26/2009 1:38 a.m.)
- I just assumed his elder brother died, and that JA... Adrian (3/26/2009 12:56 p.m.)

The cinquain subject you've been waiting for. Lynn (3/25/2009 8:51 p.m.)

Here are mine JoAnn (3/29/2009 1:05 a.m.)
Cinquain - Henry Robbin (3/27/2009 10:16 p.m.)
Here is mine Elizabeth K (3/26/2009 4:10 p.m.)
My doggerel TimLee (3/26/2009 2:29 p.m.)
Henry!! Reeba (3/26/2009 12:01 p.m.)
A type 1, and a type 4 for good measure Tom P2 (3/26/2009 1:02 a.m.)

Does anybody else have any sympathy for Isabella? Cathy Allen (3/25/2009 8:11 p.m.)

No sympathy Julia Catherine (3/27/2009 1:13 p.m.)
Sympathy for Isabella Robbin (3/25/2009 11:33 p.m.)
To a certain extent Line (3/25/2009 10:32 p.m.)
- OOps -- thanks Line! Cathy Allen (3/25/2009 11:06 p.m.)
  - Don't let that worry you! Line (3/26/2009 10:24 a.m.)
    - Reading JA before watching the movie adaptations Cathy Allen (3/26/2009 11:36 a.m.)
I feel sorry for her. nan duval (3/25/2009 10:32 p.m.)
- Yes, she was the product of her time, but... JoAnn (3/26/2009 1:46 a.m.)

More on Thorpe's relationship to General Tilney JoAnn (3/25/2009 6:19 p.m.)

Fits my idea prior to posts on the topic. Diane N. (3/28/2009 3:19 p.m.)
Well observed ! *nfm* MarianneR (3/26/2009 6:16 a.m.)
Thanks for pointing this out, JoAnn Line (3/25/2009 10:16 p.m.)

Catherine's phantasmagorical phantasies Delories (3/25/2009 2:28 p.m.)

Are you beating me about the head?! lol Lynn (3/25/2009 8:50 p.m.)
- No, of course not! You've been a wonderful moderator! Delories (3/26/2009 12:47 p.m.)
  - LOL! Lynn (3/29/2009 4:20 p.m.)
I agree too. :-) Reeba (3/25/2009 6:04 p.m.)
I agree. Emmeline (3/25/2009 5:05 p.m.)
- Ditto what Emmeline said Cathy Allen (3/25/2009 7:30 p.m.)

Ch.28: Who is Alice? Line (3/25/2009 10:23 a.m.)

I think it is probably her maid. Lynn (3/25/2009 1:58 p.m.)
- But why would Alice be able to receive mail at Lord Longtown�s? Cathy Allen (3/25/2009 7:25 p.m.)
  - I assume that pretty much anyone could receive mail... Tom P2 (3/25/2009 8:12 p.m.)
  - Lord Longtown's daughter would be Miss Longtown. Adrian (3/25/2009 7:39 p.m.)
    - As a Marquess' daughter, she would be Graciela (3/26/2009 6:53 p.m.)
    - Lady Alice? title - first name nfm Mia I. (3/26/2009 6:04 p.m.)
      - Except if it had been *Lady* Alice... Line (3/26/2009 6:24 p.m.)
    - Hope of seeing the Marquis of Longtown--Good catch nfm BarbaraB (3/26/2009 4:33 p.m.)
I first thought MarianneR (3/25/2009 12:14 p.m.)

Catherine�s development and main themes of NA Elizabeth K (3/25/2009 10:10 a.m.)

Interesting points from all of you Elizabeth K (3/26/2009 2:29 p.m.)
Catherine's "inability to read nan duval (3/25/2009 10:42 p.m.)
- The Thorpe nuptial Juggernaut - LOL!! (nfm) JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:26 a.m.)
- I agree - it certainly was not... Line (3/25/2009 10:55 p.m.)
Did JT fall in love with Catherine? Robbin (3/25/2009 11:44 a.m.)
- Angry people are not always wise JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:29 a.m.)
- Perhaps not so much love as an unusual moment of humility? Line (3/25/2009 10:47 p.m.)
  - LOL: the only time Thorpe *had* to listen to her... Adrian (3/26/2009 12:43 p.m.)
- Thanks for re-visiting JT's little speech Ellen M (3/25/2009 11:59 a.m.)
  - I can hear him saying this! ;-D LOL! nfm Karen G (3/25/2009 5:38 p.m.)
  - What a HOOT! Thanks for the grin material, Ellen (nfm) TimLee (3/25/2009 5:24 p.m.)
  - LOL! I agree. *nfm* Amanda S. (3/25/2009 4:56 p.m.)
  - Good point! Robbin (3/25/2009 12:35 p.m.)
Good reasons... Reeba (3/25/2009 11:21 a.m.)

Ch.28: Practical considerations Line (3/25/2009 9:57 a.m.)

I wonder ... gianni (3/25/2009 2:35 p.m.)
- In the General's absense, Eleanor was mistress... Adrian (3/25/2009 7:30 p.m.)
The uneventful journey... Reeba (3/25/2009 11:25 a.m.)
- Catherine's management of the journey JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:24 a.m.)

Projecting - not just the territory of the Thorpe's Ellen M (3/24/2009 6:28 p.m.)

I think Catherine does... JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:34 a.m.)
- Morland family-reaction... MarianneR (3/26/2009 5:16 a.m.)
  - How dreamy is Catherine exactly? Ra (3/27/2009 1:11 p.m.)
    - Considering how clueless Mrs. Morland was... Adrian (3/27/2009 1:29 p.m.)

What exactly is Henry�s duty as a parson? MarianneR (3/24/2009 5:08 p.m.)

The Woodston parsonage and widow Catherine. Adrian (3/25/2009 7:22 p.m.)
- Who pays Henry�s income, by the way? MarianneR (3/26/2009 4:53 a.m.)
  - Very much inclined to agree Tarn (3/26/2009 5:33 a.m.)
    - Lives very close? Ellen M (3/26/2009 10:25 a.m.)
      - Woodston is about twenty miles from NA.   Adrian (3/26/2009 12:37 p.m.)
        
        And what is twenty miles of good road?   Tarn (3/27/2009 12:36 a.m.)
        
        Would not Henry use a horse when traveling alone?   Adrian (3/27/2009 12:51 p.m.)
        
        Thanks, Tarn - interesting as always! :-) (nfm)   Line (3/27/2009 9:54 a.m.)
  - The common folk Tom P2 (3/26/2009 5:15 a.m.)
    - Thanks for the link... MarianneR (3/26/2009 5:52 a.m.)
- Perish the thought!! JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:04 a.m.)
- Henry is likely to be saving kathleen (elder) (3/25/2009 8:51 p.m.)
- Not too serious unless we sink the Viscountess too ;-) nfm Tom P2 (3/25/2009 8:14 p.m.)
Thank you, Emmeline and Tom! *nfm* MarianneR (3/25/2009 3:57 a.m.)
He has a curate Tom P2 (3/24/2009 5:53 p.m.)
- To my surprise... JoAnn (3/25/2009 1:46 a.m.)
  - In fact my German translation also says MarianneR (3/25/2009 3:56 a.m.)
in Chapter 3 Emmeline (3/24/2009 5:52 p.m.)

Ch.27: A line that rubs me the wrong way Line (3/24/2009 9:49 a.m.)

Your point is valid, imo--- BarbaraB (3/25/2009 12:08 a.m.)
- Well said! But... Henry's not perfect? =( Ellen M (3/25/2009 12:32 a.m.)
  - You're right JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:58 a.m.)
  - Henry must balance truth with familial fealty. Adrian (3/25/2009 6:57 p.m.)
    - Truth... BarbaraB (3/25/2009 11:25 p.m.)
      - Ah, but neutrality wouldn't be honesty either IMHO nfm Ellen M (3/26/2009 10:14 a.m.)
        
        Not sure... BarbaraB (3/26/2009 4:02 p.m.)
  - Yes, I thought Henry was supposed to be... Line (3/25/2009 9:16 a.m.)
    - Thank you very much for this thread, Line Ellen M (3/25/2009 11:18 a.m.)
      - The whole family dynamic revealed here and elsewhere... Delories (3/25/2009 1:49 p.m.)
      - good discussion   Karen G (3/25/2009 12:59 p.m.)
        
        Well Said nfm   BarbaraB (3/26/2009 4:29 p.m.)
        
        Glad you both enjoyed it! :-)   Line (3/25/2009 10:42 p.m.)
  - I wonder which of us has misunderstood? gianni (3/25/2009 1:49 a.m.)
another possibility TimLee (3/24/2009 9:57 a.m.)
- That's just what I mean, unfortunately Line (3/24/2009 10:31 a.m.)
  - Predictability Tom P2 (3/24/2009 7:45 p.m.)
    - Thanks for trying, Tom, but... Line (3/24/2009 7:54 p.m.)
  - In defense of the Captain Siobhan (3/24/2009 12:26 p.m.)
    - Sorry, Siobhan, your explanation... Line (3/24/2009 7:29 p.m.)
  - I took it to mean Lynn (3/24/2009 11:01 a.m.)
    - Right, I don't think he'd give her the time of day ... TimLee (3/24/2009 11:25 a.m.)
      - To Lynn and TimLee   Line (3/24/2009 7:48 p.m.)
        
        He is probably not looking for a wife, though.   Lynn (3/25/2009 7:46 a.m.)
        
        Response to all of Line's responses   Ellen M (3/24/2009 10:57 p.m.)
        
        Much agreement:   nan duval (3/25/2009 8:52 p.m.)
        
        To Ellen and Lynn   Line (3/25/2009 9:33 a.m.)
      - Don't ask?!? My goodness, how teasing! nfm Ellen M (3/24/2009 5:22 p.m.)

Chapter 27: Isabella saying one thing... Lynn (3/24/2009 7:57 a.m.)

Isabella's letter Line (3/24/2009 10:00 a.m.)
Interesting idea! Rose G (3/24/2009 9:09 a.m.)

CInquain winner #3 Lynn (3/23/2009 6:54 p.m.)

Congrats, KarenG! ;-) (nfm) Moni (3/26/2009 2:06 a.m.)
Thank you! Karen G (3/24/2009 10:44 a.m.)
Congratulations Karen G. :-) nfm Reeba (3/24/2009 10:04 a.m.)
Congratulations Karen G. Nice Cinquain! :) nfm :) Emmeline (3/24/2009 5:58 a.m.)
Congratulations Karen G, a great one! (;D) nfm Robbin (3/24/2009 1:34 a.m.)
Great Cinquain---Congrats! nfm BarbaraB (3/23/2009 10:10 p.m.)
Yay Karen G -- this is most excellent kathleen (elder) (3/23/2009 9:04 p.m.)
Congratulations Karen. I liked yours a lot. (nfm) TimLee (3/23/2009 8:55 p.m.)

Like father, like son... MarianneR (3/23/2009 5:02 p.m.)

There may be a difference JoAnn (3/26/2009 2:25 p.m.)
- You are right, MarianneR (3/26/2009 4:03 p.m.)

Chap. 11, 28, & 30: John Thorpe's thoughts Stacy (3/23/2009 4:35 p.m.)

According to the Narrator: BarbaraB (3/23/2009 5:02 p.m.)
- I just have to say JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:20 a.m.)
- but... Stacy (3/23/2009 6:23 p.m.)
  - Well... BarbaraB (3/23/2009 10:59 p.m.)
    - "JT defies explanation" - I like that! *nfm* MarianneR (3/24/2009 4:13 a.m.)
  - definitely interesting question Karen G. (3/23/2009 10:41 p.m.)
    - I think this is a good scenario Lynn (3/24/2009 7:44 a.m.)
      - Do you think James was finally undeceived   JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:15 a.m.)
        
        He didn't say yes   CarolTS (3/26/2009 2:36 a.m.)
        
        What I noticed...   Line (3/26/2009 9:45 a.m.)

The Hare and Many Friends-Moral BarbaraB (3/23/2009 4:13 p.m.)

I think it also holds a lesson for Catherine JoAnn (3/26/2009 1:08 a.m.)
- I agree---excellent analysis nfm BarbaraB (3/26/2009 4:05 p.m.)
- I also thought it applied rather to Catherine... MarianneR (3/26/2009 4:03 a.m.)
  - Knowing in theory CarolTS (3/26/2009 8:05 p.m.)
    - Concentrated on people�s good sides...good point! *nfm* MarianneR (3/27/2009 5:05 a.m.)

Back to the disappointment in Catherine Lynn (3/23/2009 11:39 a.m.)

Reading discomfort Karen G. (3/23/2009 10:50 p.m.)
- I agree... Lynn (3/24/2009 7:49 a.m.)
  - My thoughts to your question... MarianneR (3/24/2009 11:02 a.m.)
I have to agree with you Line (3/23/2009 6:49 p.m.)
It's been such a long... Reeba (3/23/2009 5:45 p.m.)
My opinion BarbaraB (3/23/2009 2:46 p.m.)
- From her readings Graciela (3/23/2009 7:00 p.m.)
  - Catherine takes her reading as her authority Ellen M (3/24/2009 10:45 a.m.)
    - Focus on Mrs. Radcliffe Virginia (3/24/2009 3:52 p.m.)
- Catherine's regression; Henry's line between thought and conduct Tom P2 (3/23/2009 6:42 p.m.)
  - Henry�s balancing act MarianneR (3/24/2009 4:26 a.m.)
- I agree about the... Reeba (3/23/2009 5:48 p.m.)

Ch 25: my favorite interchange Karen G (3/23/2009 10:58 a.m.)

What about the phrase just before the one you've quoted? Cathy Allen (3/23/2009 4:10 p.m.)
- My attempt Line (3/23/2009 6:43 p.m.)
You are probably right, but MarianneR (3/23/2009 11:40 a.m.)
- Both facetious of Isabelle and true of Catherine Karen G (3/23/2009 1:41 p.m.)
  - What strikes me about this passage... Adrian (3/24/2009 12:42 p.m.)
    - Did he really detour through compassion? JoAnn (3/26/2009 1:32 a.m.)
      - A different reaction   Line (3/26/2009 9:34 a.m.)
        
        Thanks, Line - that helped   JoAnn (3/26/2009 12:41 p.m.)
        
        The unaccountableness of it all   Line (3/26/2009 6:45 p.m.)
        
        Good point   MarianneR (3/27/2009 4:50 a.m.)
        
        Not even family loyalty   Line (3/27/2009 9:59 a.m.)
        
        I think it does come down to tone   Karen G (3/26/2009 3:07 p.m.)
I love that, too! Lynn (3/23/2009 11:32 a.m.)

Ch.24: More politics? Line (3/23/2009 9:58 a.m.)

I'm surprised at this footnote from the NC Edition! Cathy Allen (3/23/2009 3:16 p.m.)
- I think it might have this meaning as well. (nfm) Emmeline (3/23/2009 5:15 p.m.)

Ch.26 L&T question: Oiled butter? Line (3/23/2009 9:43 a.m.)

It's a sauce: Helen B (3/23/2009 2:12 p.m.)
- The difference between oiled and melted butter Myretta (3/23/2009 3:22 p.m.)
  - Sorry for jumping in Helen B (3/24/2009 9:12 a.m.)
  - So is this a good thing or a bad thing? JoAnn (3/23/2009 5:02 p.m.)
    - A bad thing Myretta (3/23/2009 5:07 p.m.)
      - Thanks, everybody!   Line (3/23/2009 6:32 p.m.)
        
        No   Myretta (3/23/2009 8:09 p.m.)
        
        Thanks, I think I get it now! :-) (nfm)   Line (3/24/2009 9:17 a.m.)

Ch.26: The Tilneys - Candidates for " Dr. Phil"? Line (3/23/2009 9:30 a.m.)

There's nothing new under the sun! JoAnn (3/23/2009 3:34 p.m.)

Backtracking a little... Chapter 18 Kim E (3/23/2009 7:33 a.m.)

That's what I've always thought. (nfm) Emmeline (3/23/2009 5:06 p.m.)
Definitely! Rose G (3/23/2009 8:02 a.m.)
- Me too TimLee (3/23/2009 9:22 a.m.)
Hadn't thought about it that way, Lynn (3/23/2009 7:51 a.m.)
- Ugh - all the more reason to hate Isabella! (nfm) JoAnn (3/23/2009 3:35 p.m.)

Thorpe & The General: 2 peas in a pod TimLee (3/22/2009 7:04 p.m.)

JA�s information for the reader - Indeed... MarianneR (3/23/2009 4:45 a.m.)
- I think... Rose G (3/23/2009 8:06 a.m.)

Going back a bit...Chapters 10 and 11 Sarah Hannah (3/22/2009 5:32 p.m.)

I thought... Stacy (3/23/2009 3:39 p.m.)
- I think they have taken... Sarah Hannah (3/23/2009 11:23 p.m.)
  - never caught that before. thanks, nfm Ellen M (3/24/2009 5:57 p.m.)
also in chapters 5 & 6 Emmeline (3/23/2009 6:28 a.m.)
Well observed *nfm* MarianneR (3/23/2009 4:17 a.m.)
Good catch! (;D) nfm Robbin (3/22/2009 8:00 p.m.)

Here's a question about Chapter 2 Cathy Allen (3/22/2009 2:38 p.m.)

Whether being called or calling herself "Sarah" MarianneR (3/23/2009 4:13 a.m.)
- Good catch! TimLee (3/23/2009 9:25 a.m.)
I think Sally is the ... Reeba (3/22/2009 2:54 p.m.)
- I thought maybe Robbin (3/22/2009 7:59 p.m.)
  - That's how I read it, too kathleen (elder) (3/22/2009 8:21 p.m.)

Chapter 25: Henry's a doll Lynn (3/22/2009 12:21 p.m.)

Re: Catherine: I think Henry was thinking... Cathy Allen (3/22/2009 2:24 p.m.)
One of the many reasons why... Reeba (3/22/2009 2:04 p.m.)
- Surprise? Amanda S. (3/22/2009 6:29 p.m.)
  - It is tempting to think Henry teases less, but... Adrian (3/24/2009 12:21 p.m.)
  - Yes, indeed! I think so, too. (nfm) Emmeline (3/23/2009 6:06 a.m.)

Ch.25: Another surprise Line (3/22/2009 11:10 a.m.)

By some chance or other, found her spirits so very much relieved Tom P2 (3/22/2009 7:28 p.m.)

Ch.25 L&T: Rhubarb in JA's time (longish, sorry!) Line (3/22/2009 10:54 a.m.)

Rhubarb, rhubarb Tarn (3/25/2009 1:24 a.m.)
- Dodgy links Tarn (3/25/2009 4:05 a.m.)
- Very informative - thank you! *nfm* MarianneR (3/25/2009 3:43 a.m.)
  - Yes, thanks, Tarn - how interesting! Line (3/25/2009 9:40 a.m.)
VERY interesting, thanks for the research, Line! Cathy Allen (3/22/2009 2:10 p.m.)

What do you make of the general's hints? Lynn (3/20/2009 7:55 a.m.)

I think... Karen G (3/20/2009 9:16 a.m.)
- When Catherine first arrives at the abbey... Adrian (3/20/2009 7:59 p.m.)
  - I had never thought JoAnn (3/21/2009 3:24 p.m.)
    - Catherine isn't being critical. It's just ... Reeba (3/21/2009 4:38 p.m.)
      - Indeed; 'perceiving how her eye was employed' is crucial too Tom P2 (3/21/2009 5:55 p.m.)
- I'm wondering why the General is so convinced Catherine's rich Cathy Allen (3/20/2009 2:18 p.m.)
  - General's misinformation PeterL (3/20/2009 11:38 p.m.)
    - Perhaps, but how much evidence... Line (3/21/2009 10:37 a.m.)
  - The General thinks Catherine WILL be rich kathleen (elder) (3/20/2009 2:36 p.m.)
    - Ah, yes, good point! (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/20/2009 8:21 p.m.)
  - Catherine�s dresses MarianneR (3/20/2009 2:34 p.m.)
    - Catherine bought the dresses herself, and Mrs Allen's... Reeba (3/20/2009 5:44 p.m.)
      - I don't think Catherine's dresses were unfashionable Cathy Allen (3/20/2009 8:27 p.m.)
      - Do we know why General T thinks this?   JoAnn (3/20/2009 5:55 p.m.)
        
        Only assumptions I should say...   MarianneR (3/21/2009 5:07 a.m.)
        
        I just realised that it's the Morlands...   Reeba (3/21/2009 11:48 a.m.)

General Tilney vs. HP Dementors JoAnn (3/20/2009 2:27 a.m.)

Sucks the life out of a room: good description nfm BarbaraB (3/20/2009 6:53 p.m.)
I wonder . . . Mary Anne (3/20/2009 10:32 a.m.)
- Chocolate ALWAYS helps!! ;-) nfm CarolTS (3/20/2009 2:23 p.m.)
  - I was just going to post the same thing! (nfm) JoAnn (3/20/2009 4:45 p.m.)
Great observation! LOL! (;D) nfm Robbin (3/20/2009 10:27 a.m.)

Two passages I can't understand JoAnn (3/20/2009 2:16 a.m.)

The first passage CarolTS (3/20/2009 2:22 p.m.)
- But it is a more informed nan duval (3/20/2009 5:49 p.m.)
Sympathetic early rising TimLee (3/20/2009 12:48 p.m.)
- This is what I'd assumed JoAnn (3/20/2009 6:01 p.m.)
  - I think it's ... TimLee (3/20/2009 6:30 p.m.)
    - Does that make General Tilney nan duval (3/20/2009 7:17 p.m.)
Not listening to the answers; habits compatible with Henry's Tom P2 (3/20/2009 2:57 a.m.)
- slight difference on 1st paragraph Diane N. (3/21/2009 1:06 p.m.)
  - Which might be why JoAnn (3/21/2009 3:25 p.m.)
- Thinking about it more... JoAnn (3/21/2009 12:35 p.m.)
- Thanks, Tom - I think you're right! (nfm) Line (3/21/2009 10:40 a.m.)
- What an interesting idea! JoAnn (3/20/2009 4:47 p.m.)

NA audiobook is GREAT -- anybody else listening to it? Cathy Allen (3/19/2009 2:03 p.m.)

Listening has its own demands Anselm (3/20/2009 3:18 p.m.)
- Let's stay on topic Myretta (3/21/2009 11:57 a.m.)
- Listening versus private reading Cathy Allen (3/20/2009 8:07 p.m.)
  - MP read by Maureen O'Brien nan duval (3/21/2009 8:30 a.m.)
  - listening to books Emmeline (3/21/2009 6:27 a.m.)
    - Sorry... Emmeline (3/21/2009 11:49 a.m.)
NA audio book Virginia (3/20/2009 8:19 a.m.)
Listening to NA Emmeline (3/19/2009 5:23 p.m.)
NA read by Donada Peters.... MarianneR (3/19/2009 4:27 p.m.)
- I listened to S&S read by her JoAnn (3/20/2009 6:05 p.m.)
  - I heard her Karen G. (3/20/2009 9:27 p.m.)
- I have this version nan duval (3/19/2009 6:00 p.m.)
  - Thank you - but I think I am nearly persusaded to Stevenson nfm MarianneR (3/20/2009 3:29 a.m.)
listening to an audiotape of NA from library Karen G (3/19/2009 4:18 p.m.)
- Mine is read by Flo Gibson Karen G. (3/19/2009 7:37 p.m.)
  - I think I had that one.... Lynn (3/20/2009 7:51 a.m.)
I haven't heard this one JoAnn (3/19/2009 4:17 p.m.)
I have it... Lynn (3/19/2009 2:52 p.m.)
- I agree... Marieke (3/19/2009 4:47 p.m.)
- Thank you, Lynn! (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/19/2009 3:04 p.m.)

Another contradictional term MarianneR (3/19/2009 6:06 a.m.)

There's the theme of duplicitousness again! (nfm) JoAnn (3/20/2009 2:11 a.m.)

Cinquain winner! Lynn (3/18/2009 1:21 p.m.)

Cinquain - Isabella Robbin (3/21/2009 6:02 p.m.)
Isabella cinquain Karen G. (3/21/2009 12:05 p.m.)
My favourite too. Congratulations, Kathleen (elder)! [nfm] Tarn (3/20/2009 2:46 a.m.)
Congratulations, Kathleen (elder)! :-) nfm Elizabeth K (3/19/2009 11:09 a.m.)
Isabella cinquain Elizabeth K (3/19/2009 11:07 a.m.)
cinquain Reeba (3/19/2009 10:37 a.m.)
Isabella's poem CarolTS (3/19/2009 2:31 a.m.)
Wow! Thanks Lynn kathleen (elder) (3/18/2009 7:06 p.m.)
- Why don't you go 2 for 3, Kathleen? Karen G. (3/19/2009 8:59 p.m.)
- Congratulations! ;-)) (nfm) Moni (3/19/2009 6:50 a.m.)
- Congratulations! :) nfm BarbaraB (3/18/2009 10:36 p.m.)
Isabella in 2+4+6+8+2 syllables Tom P2 (3/18/2009 6:31 p.m.)
Congratulations Kathleen (elder)! Emmeline (3/18/2009 5:16 p.m.)
Well done, Kathleen (elder) :-) nfm Reeba (3/18/2009 4:32 p.m.)
Could you please post it again? MarianneR (3/18/2009 3:46 p.m.)
Congrats! Kathleen (elder) nfm (;D) Robbin (3/18/2009 2:17 p.m.)
Isabella cinquain TimLee (3/18/2009 2:11 p.m.)
Congratulations kathleen (elder)! TimLee (3/18/2009 1:58 p.m.)

Ch 24: Why is Henry astonished? TimLee (3/18/2009 12:59 p.m.)

It can't happen here. nan duval (3/18/2009 10:20 p.m.)
- "That kind of abbey" MarianneR (3/19/2009 3:55 a.m.)
  - I don't think Henry tried nan duval (3/19/2009 5:38 p.m.)
    - I wouldn't say he went too far, nan duval (3/20/2009 5:45 p.m.)
    - Henry's "fan fiction" Mary Anne (3/20/2009 10:25 a.m.)
      - Good point - never thought of that. *nfm* MarianneR (3/20/2009 11:48 a.m.)
      - So perhaps Henry realizes he might have gone ...   TimLee (3/20/2009 11:44 a.m.)
        
        But is it too far?   CarolTS (3/20/2009 1:54 p.m.)
        
        I don't know that he actually went too far   TimLee (3/20/2009 2:30 p.m.)
Could it be ?? CarolTS (3/18/2009 4:06 p.m.)
- Well there certainly is a lot JoAnn (3/20/2009 2:09 a.m.)
Default emotion Julia Catherine (3/18/2009 2:50 p.m.)
- Changing the subject (in ch24, not in this thread) Tom P2 (3/18/2009 4:06 p.m.)

Some thoughts on General Tilney MarianneR (3/18/2009 7:28 a.m.)

The General's duplicitousness... again JoAnn (3/20/2009 2:21 a.m.)
- Why call him a villain? Tom P2 (3/20/2009 3:09 a.m.)
  - I suppose so JoAnn (3/20/2009 10:06 a.m.)
General T is a "man's man" Karen G (3/19/2009 4:36 p.m.)
- I got the opposite impression about the library. nan duval (3/19/2009 5:50 p.m.)
  - Right, the General is unable to appreciate what he has TimLee (3/19/2009 6:03 p.m.)
    - Not necessarily Tom P2 (3/19/2009 7:24 p.m.)
      - This is how I read this, too. MarianneR (3/20/2009 4:12 a.m.)
      - I agree strongly with Tom P2. nfm   Diane N. (3/19/2009 9:56 p.m.)
        
        OK, but why?   TimLee (3/19/2009 11:09 p.m.)
        
        Here goes.   Diane N. (3/21/2009 2:08 p.m.)
        
        I totally agree.   nan duval (3/21/2009 10:12 p.m.)
        
        Agreed, Diane certainly said it better than I also (nfm)   TimLee (3/22/2009 12:18 a.m.)
        
        Thanks, that was interesting and insightful   TimLee (3/21/2009 9:22 p.m.)
      - The General may be prideful, but ... TimLee (3/19/2009 7:44 p.m.)
        
        irony? Karen G. (3/19/2009 8:38 p.m.)
- Well, he's certainly Thorpe's kind of guy! TimLee (3/19/2009 5:45 p.m.)
  - Great link! Quite shocking - but so suitable. Thank you *nfm* MarianneR (3/20/2009 3:57 a.m.)
  - I never fully believed John Thorpe about this. Diane N. (3/19/2009 10:05 p.m.)
    - Really? I can TimLee (3/20/2009 11:49 a.m.)
      - Who really won the alleged game of billiards, anyway?   Tom P2 (3/20/2009 7:42 p.m.)
        
        I see your point about Bedford...   Diane N. (3/21/2009 2:14 p.m.)
        
        Well, John Thorpe does know the General...   Line (3/21/2009 10:25 a.m.)
        
        The Bloviator vs. The Dementor!   TimLee (3/20/2009 8:03 p.m.)
        
        LOL -- We're all enjoying that word, Tim; thanks! (nfm)   Cathy Allen (3/20/2009 8:13 p.m.)
      - Agree, he's totally nan duval (3/20/2009 5:35 p.m.)
  - Thanks, Tim nan duval (3/19/2009 7:03 p.m.)
    - Amen! Thank you for posting! Fascinating stuff! nfm Karen G. (3/19/2009 8:30 p.m.)
- Thanks for pointing this out, Karen - I didn't catch that! Line (3/19/2009 5:41 p.m.)
A control freak. nan duval (3/18/2009 8:58 a.m.)
- I agree.. Patricia P (3/18/2009 1:02 p.m.)
- The cranky General TimLee (3/18/2009 11:57 a.m.)
  - Exactly. nan duval (3/18/2009 9:45 p.m.)
    - Hey, come to think of it ... TimLee (3/19/2009 11:11 a.m.)
      - OK Timmy, and don't forget nan duval (3/19/2009 5:51 p.m.)

I'm starting to wonder about Catherine... Lynn (3/17/2009 10:27 p.m.)

Being in the Abbey Emmeline (3/18/2009 7:18 a.m.)
- Well said ;-) (nfm) Moni (3/21/2009 9:25 p.m.)
- It's almost as if it's a different book. nan duval (3/18/2009 8:47 a.m.)
  - Makes me wonder JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:48 a.m.)
    - Why are we so anxious to sell Austen short? gianni (3/21/2009 3:17 a.m.)
    - I agree CarolTS (3/20/2009 2:09 p.m.)
  - Interesting Karen G. (3/19/2009 8:50 p.m.)
I agree Karen G. (3/17/2009 10:41 p.m.)
- The excitement Kim E (3/18/2009 4:03 a.m.)

Ch.23: Platoons of servants Line (3/17/2009 8:55 p.m.)

Another nominee for Heroine: nan duval (3/17/2009 8:53 p.m.)

Eleanor as heroine Virginia (3/18/2009 9:43 a.m.)
Eleanor as heroine Emmeline (3/18/2009 7:05 a.m.)
Definitely! Tom P2 (3/17/2009 9:45 p.m.)

What General Tilney read: nan duval (3/17/2009 7:39 p.m.)

The Norton Critical Edition footnote... Line (3/17/2009 8:22 p.m.)
- If that's what the pamphlets were... JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:32 a.m.)
  - Catherine's knowledge Line (3/20/2009 9:21 a.m.)
    - I'm sure the readers would have! JoAnn (3/20/2009 10:08 a.m.)

What is a "tea house?' nan duval (3/17/2009 7:26 p.m.)

Not growing tea Myretta (3/18/2009 7:48 a.m.)
- I'm still confused JoAnn (3/19/2009 4:21 p.m.)
  - Yes- There's a typo Myretta (3/19/2009 5:06 p.m.)
    - Thanks for the clarification JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:00 a.m.)
      - Blaize Castle is also a folly.   Emmeline (3/20/2009 7:17 a.m.)
        
        The image at the top of the Northanger Abbey board   Myretta (3/20/2009 6:14 p.m.)
        
        Past NA GR   CarolTS (3/20/2009 9:14 p.m.)
        
        Current photo of folly   Myretta (3/20/2009 9:34 p.m.)
        
        That's the one!   CarolTS (3/22/2009 1:04 a.m.)
        
        "Towers and long galleries" - ROFLOL! *nfm*   MarianneR (3/21/2009 4:27 a.m.)
        
        So much for �towers and long galleries by dozens"!!!   Sarah Hannah (3/20/2009 10:31 p.m.)
        
        LOL!   Emmeline (3/21/2009 6:39 a.m.)
        
        And also indicates another instance   nan duval (3/20/2009 7:25 a.m.)
        
        Good point! nfm   Karen G. (3/20/2009 7:37 p.m.)
  - And also Myretta's post's subject was "Not growing tea" Graciela (3/19/2009 4:44 p.m.)
- Thanks, Myretta. nan duval (3/18/2009 9:02 a.m.)

Learning to love a hyacinth MarianneR (3/17/2009 4:46 p.m.)

Flirtacious wooing TimLee (3/17/2009 5:13 p.m.)
- And... Rose G (3/18/2009 8:21 a.m.)
- I keep wondering... Karen G. (3/17/2009 8:22 p.m.)
  - Timing a proposal in JA's era. Adrian (3/20/2009 8:15 p.m.)
    - Also, I wonder if he was ready to propose then Amanda S. (3/21/2009 10:04 p.m.)
    - Good point. *nfm* MarianneR (3/21/2009 4:19 a.m.)
      - I agree - good point! Line (3/21/2009 10:57 a.m.)
  - Henry has all the time in the world, right? Tom P2 (3/18/2009 5:26 a.m.)
    - "Who invited him into the game?" MarianneR (3/18/2009 6:35 a.m.)
  - Proposing... MarianneR (3/18/2009 3:45 a.m.)
    - Just emphasizing the mutual attraction Karen G (3/18/2009 3:35 p.m.)

Ch. 20 L&T question: Catherine's own new writing desk Line (3/17/2009 9:22 a.m.)

Writing desks Myretta (3/17/2009 10:15 a.m.)
- Thanks, Myretta! From the picture, it looks like... Line (3/17/2009 8:27 p.m.)

General Tilney assumes the mantle Tom P2 (3/17/2009 4:31 a.m.)

I had noticed this, too JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:24 a.m.)
Another self-contradiction... MarianneR (3/18/2009 4:30 a.m.)
He takes on the mantle of .. TimLee (3/17/2009 12:09 p.m.)

Presentiments & Greatcoats Robbin (3/17/2009 12:41 a.m.)

Great catch! JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:23 a.m.)
"the sober pace" TimLee (3/17/2009 12:07 p.m.)
- Henry as a coachman Graciela (3/20/2009 12:56 a.m.)

What's a Henry? Graciela (3/17/2009 12:36 a.m.)

I've always read Kim E (3/17/2009 7:06 a.m.)
- Yes, I have understooid it this way too. Reeba (3/18/2009 5:34 a.m.)
- That is the way Lynn (3/17/2009 10:10 p.m.)
- Me too. *nfm* MarianneR (3/17/2009 7:30 a.m.)
Probably a family joke Barbara (3/17/2009 1:10 a.m.)
- Thanks for confirmation, makes good sense (nfm) Moni (3/19/2009 6:49 a.m.)
- Right. I think it's no accident that ... TimLee (3/17/2009 9:31 a.m.)
  - Brother Henry Virginia (3/17/2009 10:31 a.m.)

Ch 13 & 16: more fickle double-talk from Isabella Thorpe TimLee (3/16/2009 6:18 p.m.)

LOLs From chapters 15 to 24 Robbin (3/15/2009 9:36 p.m.)

Several lines to love JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:21 a.m.)
- Now, it's funny, I can't really laugh at them... Lynn (3/20/2009 11:43 a.m.)
- I almost forgot one of my all-time favorites! JoAnn (3/20/2009 2:19 a.m.)
  - From Johnson's Dictionary Graciela (3/20/2009 2:23 p.m.)
  - I suppose the symptom would be... Line (3/20/2009 9:18 a.m.)
  - Hilarious - didn�t notice that before. *nfm* MarianneR (3/20/2009 3:37 a.m.)
Ch 16: James parting to get permission from his parents Graciela (3/18/2009 3:49 p.m.)
Chapter 18: I have no idea of being so overstrained! Tom P2 (3/16/2009 2:18 a.m.)

Isabella's attitude towards men Line (3/15/2009 6:16 p.m.)

Lack of good breeding/manners Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 7:13 p.m.)
- I agree Julia Catherine (3/18/2009 3:35 p.m.)

Confused about the end of ch.18 Line (3/15/2009 5:54 p.m.)

Definitely her behavior JoAnn (3/20/2009 1:09 a.m.)
her behaviour Emmeline (3/16/2009 7:12 a.m.)
I think the 'it' is John Thorpe's affection. nfm Tom P2 (3/15/2009 8:25 p.m.)
Isabella's thoughtlessness: kathleen (elder) (3/15/2009 6:15 p.m.)

"...snuffed it..." End of Chapter 21 Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 5:41 p.m.)

Different meaning (in this case, anyway) kathleen (elder) (3/15/2009 5:53 p.m.)
- Thought it must be so, but couldn't guess; thanks! ( nfm) Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 6:10 p.m.)
  - Always worth a little bit of research :-) kathleen (elder) (3/15/2009 6:24 p.m.)
    - Great link - thank you! *nfm* MarianneR (3/16/2009 5:25 a.m.)
    - Oooo! Fascinating stuff, Kathleen; thanks AGAIN! Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 6:48 p.m.)
    - Very illuminating! nan duval (3/15/2009 6:34 p.m.)
- Thanks, Kathleen! (nfm) Line (3/15/2009 5:56 p.m.)
I was wondering about that too - anybody know? (nfm) Line (3/15/2009 5:46 p.m.)

Thorpe Family � Ch 16 to 19 � Taste of her own Medicine? Robbin (3/15/2009 2:51 p.m.)

She certainly seems JoAnn (3/20/2009 12:55 a.m.)
- Mrs. Elton would have had more right CarolTS (3/20/2009 2:15 p.m.)
a U-Turn BarbaraB (3/15/2009 5:06 p.m.)
- Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence Robbin (3/15/2009 9:07 p.m.)
  - �he could not have received my last� MarianneR (3/16/2009 5:03 a.m.)
- Mistaken financial expectations? Line (3/15/2009 6:08 p.m.)
  - There's a lot of this going around, it seems Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 6:29 p.m.)
She's projecting again Julia Catherine (3/15/2009 4:50 p.m.)
- Projecting high notions of friendship Robbin (3/17/2009 1:15 a.m.)
  - It never occured to me MarianneR (3/17/2009 3:47 a.m.)

Third week already?! Lynn (3/15/2009 2:43 p.m.)

Enjoying the GR Elizabeth K (3/19/2009 2:17 p.m.)
Mrs. Radcliffe Virginia (3/15/2009 3:17 p.m.)
Official Focus Status Robbin (3/15/2009 3:13 p.m.)

Good nature nan duval (3/15/2009 1:38 p.m.)

John's "proposal" CarolTS (3/18/2009 7:27 p.m.)
- You are right, MarianneR (3/19/2009 3:39 a.m.)
  - The ONLY time in the entire book! nfm CarolTS (3/20/2009 2:16 p.m.)
Bother his Brains Robbin (3/15/2009 4:46 p.m.)
- Thorpes and money; resemblance to Mansfield Park Tom P2 (3/15/2009 6:42 p.m.)
  - Constancy & Competence Robbin (3/16/2009 11:33 p.m.)
  - "He hasn't yet heard Mr Morland's financial arrangements..&q MarianneR (3/16/2009 4:51 a.m.)
    - How interesting! JoAnn (3/20/2009 12:42 a.m.)
      - Miserly Mr. Morland   Robbin (3/20/2009 11:07 a.m.)
        
        You're right   JoAnn (3/20/2009 9:05 p.m.)
        
        This is how I interpreted it too nfm   BarbaraB (3/20/2009 5:33 p.m.)
    - he could not have received my last ... TimLee (3/16/2009 11:30 a.m.)
      - Most English speakers would recognize what it means... MarianneR (3/16/2009 11:39 a.m.)
- Bloviating his brains out! nan duval (3/15/2009 5:58 p.m.)
  - Plausible Deniability Robbin (3/15/2009 10:30 p.m.)

Thorpe Family � Ch 7 to 19 - Isabella�s True Colors Robbin (3/15/2009 1:13 p.m.)

And ... what about Henry? Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 7:02 p.m.)
- He knows his brother quite well MarianneR (3/16/2009 3:53 a.m.)
- What Henry is saying Adrian (3/15/2009 8:49 p.m.)
  - Chapter 19 in general Tom P2 (3/15/2009 11:25 p.m.)
    - To Henry's credit (in Ch. 19)... Adrian (3/16/2009 12:15 p.m.)
- I don't think he fully believes it . . . Mary Anne (3/15/2009 8:34 p.m.)
I hadn't thought before about Lynn (3/15/2009 6:40 p.m.)
- Discovering something new Robbin (3/16/2009 11:11 p.m.)

FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 23-24 Adrian (3/15/2009 9:46 a.m.)

FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 22 Adrian (3/15/2009 9:35 a.m.)

I've always wondered . . . CarolTS (3/16/2009 2:19 a.m.)

FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 16-21 Adrian (3/15/2009 9:26 a.m.)

Ch 15: significant looks and mysterious expressions Karen G. (3/15/2009 1:42 a.m.)

So did Anne and Maria figure it out? Mia I. (3/16/2009 2:23 p.m.)
- They figured it out, didn't they? TimLee (3/16/2009 2:43 p.m.)
  - Really? CarolTS (3/18/2009 1:38 p.m.)
This has always bugged me Lynn (3/16/2009 1:43 p.m.)
- Is it just me ... TimLee (3/16/2009 3:07 p.m.)
The behavior of Isabella, John, and the mother... Adrian (3/15/2009 9:57 a.m.)
- Yes Line (3/15/2009 10:12 a.m.)
I've always taken it to mean CarolTS (3/15/2009 1:47 a.m.)
- That�s so typical for Isabella, isn�t it? MarianneR (3/15/2009 9:20 a.m.)

Question from Chapter 1... sorry to backtrack! Cathy Allen (3/14/2009 4:09 p.m.)

Glad you could join us! Lynn (3/15/2009 6:53 p.m.)
- Glad to be here; thank you, Lynn! Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 10:06 p.m.)
Thank you all; I was quite puzzled. I appreciate your help! (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/15/2009 4:39 p.m.)
The Name Richard BarbaraB (3/15/2009 3:11 p.m.)
- Richard III Virginia (3/15/2009 6:01 p.m.)
No objections to back-tracking Line (3/14/2009 6:09 p.m.)
Richard (inconclusive) Tom P2 (3/14/2009 4:45 p.m.)

Another Norton flub-up: nan duval (3/14/2009 3:34 p.m.)

My B&N Classics edition JoAnn (3/15/2009 12:39 a.m.)
- I agree that it's early afternoon because that's when nan duval (3/15/2009 10:31 a.m.)
  - So are you saying that she called it the Crescent JoAnn (3/20/2009 12:23 a.m.)
    - Yes. nan duval (3/20/2009 7:21 a.m.)

Beechen Cliff Virginia (3/14/2009 3:29 p.m.)

This week's LOL lines Line (3/14/2009 9:11 a.m.)

LOL lines Ellen M (3/14/2009 6:29 p.m.)
- How about... Karen G. (3/15/2009 1:32 a.m.)
  - This whole conversation Ellen M (3/15/2009 8:01 a.m.)
Sniffles?! Does anyone's book support the e-text about sniffles? Tom P2 (3/14/2009 4:06 p.m.)
- My German translation also says "smiles" *nfm* MarianneR (3/15/2009 7:04 a.m.)
- Yikes! Didn't even notice this... Line (3/14/2009 5:59 p.m.)
- Bantam Classics says "smiles" nfm Ellen M (3/14/2009 5:58 p.m.)
- The OUP says "smiles" too. (nfm) Cathy Allen (3/14/2009 4:20 p.m.)
Here is my favorite... MarianneR (3/14/2009 11:06 a.m.)
- Here is my favorite Virginia (3/14/2009 2:58 p.m.)

Ch.15: An aha moment Line (3/13/2009 11:00 a.m.)

In addition, John and James did not arrive till 9 days... Adrian (3/13/2009 4:08 p.m.)

Ch.14: Another defense of the novel Line (3/13/2009 10:20 a.m.)

Henry stealing his sister's book. ;-) Graciela (3/15/2009 8:37 p.m.)
Contrast with John Thorpe Julia Catherine (3/13/2009 1:27 p.m.)
- What cracks me up about this comment of Thorpe's JoAnn (3/14/2009 1:37 a.m.)
  - Yes indeed! The power of doing anything with quickness... Tom P2 (3/14/2009 4:18 p.m.)

The "dreadful account" from London... MarianneR (3/13/2009 7:20 a.m.)

The 'dreadful account' Emmeline (3/13/2009 5:43 p.m.)
- Still not clear... MarianneR (3/14/2009 4:42 a.m.)
  - Eleanor's confusion nan duval (3/14/2009 1:34 p.m.)
    - That�s very interesting... MarianneR (3/15/2009 6:55 a.m.)
  - Sorry... Emmeline (3/14/2009 7:01 a.m.)
    - I actually thought, Catherine was thinking of an event also... MarianneR (3/14/2009 8:09 a.m.)
      - It was also a way to throw Frederick's name... Adrian (3/14/2009 11:42 a.m.)
        
        Yes, I realized that - how clever! *nfm* MarianneR (3/14/2009 1:25 p.m.)

A new cinquain Lynn (3/12/2009 9:43 p.m.)

Late, but trying! CarolTS (3/14/2009 8:48 p.m.)
Bath Cinquain BarbaraB (3/14/2009 8:43 p.m.)
Cinquain - Bath Robbin (3/14/2009 6:00 p.m.)
Another attempt :-) kathleen (elder) (3/14/2009 11:23 a.m.)
Word cinquain (type 2) Ivonne (3/14/2009 7:46 a.m.)
My very first cinquain... MarianneR (3/14/2009 5:16 a.m.)
And another entry JoAnn (3/14/2009 2:00 a.m.)
Okay, I'll give it a whirl JoAnn (3/14/2009 1:52 a.m.)
Bath cinquain Karen G. (3/14/2009 12:24 a.m.)
Type three Tarn (3/13/2009 10:56 p.m.)
Mine. Reeba (3/13/2009 5:37 p.m.)
Here's mine Elizabeth K (3/13/2009 3:32 p.m.)
Give it a try Elb� (3/13/2009 10:02 a.m.)
Bath, type 1 Tom P2 (3/13/2009 12:18 a.m.)
But...but... TimLee (3/12/2009 11:51 p.m.)
- Insert evil laugh here.... Lynn (3/15/2009 6:16 p.m.)
  - Not to worry ... TimLee (3/16/2009 9:36 a.m.)
- Rats here too; was hoping for Isabella Tom P2 (3/13/2009 12:01 a.m.)

Ch 8: more heroinism TimLee (3/12/2009 7:15 p.m.)

Great observation! (nfm) JoAnn (3/12/2009 7:47 p.m.)

Ch 14: Hard to make this one out... Karen G (3/12/2009 1:27 p.m.)

So which one is Mrs. Allen Ellen M (3/14/2009 12:30 a.m.)
- I suspect... according the rules JA set in her sentence Karen G. (3/14/2009 12:17 p.m.)
No great compliment to men either way, I agree! Line (3/13/2009 10:24 a.m.)
- Real life versus literary convention Tom P2 (3/13/2009 4:52 p.m.)
  - Catherine�s Advantage Robbin (3/14/2009 7:57 p.m.)
    - Well observed *nfm* MarianneR (3/15/2009 7:00 a.m.)
- ignorance v. stupidity Karen G (3/13/2009 12:33 p.m.)
  - The distinction JA makes is between... Adrian (3/13/2009 3:50 p.m.)
    - I think... Emmeline (3/13/2009 5:32 p.m.)
Men of sense Diane N. (3/12/2009 7:05 p.m.)
Bluestocking Julia Catherine (3/12/2009 6:14 p.m.)
- thank you for this background info Karen G (3/13/2009 9:38 a.m.)
- Let's not stray too far... Lynn (3/12/2009 9:39 p.m.)
  - Sorry Julia Catherine (3/12/2009 10:25 p.m.)
ironic passage Emmeline (3/12/2009 5:13 p.m.)
- Unquestionably ironic, IMO! ;-) (nfm) Line (3/13/2009 9:51 a.m.)
Two categories of men TimLee (3/12/2009 2:28 p.m.)
My favorite quote Patricia P (3/12/2009 2:11 p.m.)
- Courting Ignorance Robbin (3/14/2009 9:02 p.m.)
  - I see Henry... Patricia P (3/15/2009 3:55 p.m.)
    - But Catherine *is* ignorant by Henry's definition. Adrian (3/15/2009 8:37 p.m.)
- favorite quote Karen G (3/13/2009 4:20 p.m.)
  - My favorite Patricia P (3/14/2009 5:07 p.m.)
  - OT: I was once dumped because I wasn't intelligent enough... Leah Noel (3/13/2009 9:27 p.m.)
    - LOL! nfm Ellen M (3/14/2009 12:17 a.m.)
What men want vs. what women are JoAnn (3/12/2009 1:33 p.m.)
- We don't know what the changes were Laraine (3/12/2009 1:45 p.m.)
  - I hadn't thought about that JoAnn (3/12/2009 3:38 p.m.)

Ch.13: Admiring the elasticity of her walk? Line (3/12/2009 10:25 a.m.)

Thanks for the different clues, everyone! Line (3/21/2009 10:51 a.m.)
Another reference to an "elastic walk" JoAnn (3/20/2009 10:37 p.m.)
- More elasticity from Catherine Tom P2 (3/21/2009 3:54 a.m.)
Since the General compares Catherine's walking... Adrian (3/12/2009 1:02 p.m.)
Cultural allowances JoAnn (3/12/2009 12:39 p.m.)
Nowadays we'd be reminding Catherine ... TimLee (3/12/2009 11:30 a.m.)

Ch12: thoroughly artless in itself, though... Tom P2 (3/12/2009 2:58 a.m.)

"no right" to be angry Diane N. (3/12/2009 6:53 p.m.)
- Disappointment rather than anger? Lynn (3/12/2009 9:31 p.m.)
  - With all the focus on Henry, we forget Eleanor. Adrian (3/13/2009 3:33 p.m.)
    - But even Henry admitted CarolTS (3/13/2009 8:11 p.m.)
      - Eleanor was stood up too, even if she was too kind... Adrian (3/14/2009 11:34 a.m.)
I think he was embarrassed JoAnn (3/12/2009 1:24 p.m.)
- Henry may be a little jealous Leah Noel (3/12/2009 3:00 p.m.)
  - Good point Karen G. (3/12/2009 9:31 p.m.)
  - Very nicely put (nfm) TimLee (3/12/2009 3:59 p.m.)

Thorpe vs. Tilney JoAnn (3/11/2009 5:15 p.m.)

Catherine's "gothic-novel-like" struggles JoAnn (3/11/2009 4:57 p.m.)

Ch.13: L&T question about Catherine's walk to the Tilneys' Line (3/12/2009 10:04 a.m.)
- There & Back Again Robbin (3/12/2009 5:46 p.m.)
  - Don't we see this in Persuasion, too? JoAnn (3/12/2009 6:07 p.m.)
    - There is another option... Lynn (3/12/2009 9:25 p.m.)
      - Yes, that's what I was wondering Line (3/13/2009 9:46 a.m.)
- I considered she was alone, and that is one reason... Adrian (3/12/2009 12:53 p.m.)
Pivotal scene Elizabeth K (3/12/2009 8:22 a.m.)

Isabella's sister JoAnn (3/11/2009 4:50 p.m.)

Emily & Sophia Robbin (3/12/2009 3:03 a.m.)
- Thanks nfm BarbaraB (3/12/2009 7:12 p.m.)
- Just as I suspected - thanks! (nfm) JoAnn (3/12/2009 12:31 p.m.)
- That reminds me of something else... Emmeline (3/12/2009 7:10 a.m.)
  - Wow! Thanks for the illuminations Ellen M (3/13/2009 4:02 p.m.)
- Very illuminating! *nfm* MarianneR (3/12/2009 4:05 a.m.)
Okay, I see here that this post wasn't clear JoAnn (3/11/2009 10:00 p.m.)
the two girls Emmeline (3/11/2009 6:20 p.m.)
- Yes, I know that JoAnn (3/11/2009 9:22 p.m.)
  - I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. (nfm) Emmeline (3/12/2009 6:52 a.m.)
    - I'm sorry I wasn't clear! :-) (nfm) JoAnn (3/12/2009 3:39 p.m.)

L&T - different sets CarolTS (3/11/2009 4:05 p.m.)

There were probably Lynn (3/11/2009 5:03 p.m.)
- Particularly in larger ballrooms Myretta (3/11/2009 5:33 p.m.)

End of ch.10 - So descriptive Line (3/11/2009 10:30 a.m.)

Imagine the poor souls carrying her chair ;-) Kelley B (3/11/2009 4:31 p.m.)
- Here's a link to a past post Lynn (3/11/2009 4:47 p.m.)
  - Great link - thank you! *nfm* MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:59 p.m.)

Cinquain Winner!! Lynn (3/10/2009 8:59 p.m.)

Congratulations, Siobhan. I love your cinquain! :-) nfm Elizabeth K (3/12/2009 8:01 a.m.)
Wow - I'm two for two! Siobhan (3/11/2009 11:55 a.m.)
- Congratulations - twice ;-) Siobhan! nfm Reeba (3/12/2009 4:50 p.m.)
Congrats Siobhan! -nfm Elb� (3/11/2009 9:32 a.m.)
Congratulations, Siobhan! Emmeline (3/11/2009 5:54 a.m.)
Congrats from me too! It is great! (;D) Robbin (3/10/2009 11:20 p.m.)
Congrats, Siobhan---I really liked your cinquain nfm BarbaraB (3/10/2009 10:18 p.m.)

Chapter 9: Catherine judging for herself. Lynn (3/10/2009 8:52 p.m.)

"... it appeared to her that he did not excel ... TimLee (3/11/2009 1:06 p.m.)

Is Isabella going after Henry? Robbin (3/10/2009 1:01 p.m.)

I'd never considered that interpretation before JoAnn (3/11/2009 4:38 p.m.)
- "Survey the merchandise" LOL! *nfm* MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:43 p.m.)
I had the same idea MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:41 a.m.)
I don't see it Karen G (3/10/2009 9:39 p.m.)
- I agree CarolTS (3/11/2009 4:08 p.m.)
Another case of Isabella projecting herself? Graciela (3/10/2009 6:38 p.m.)
- Absence makes the heart grow fonder Robbin (3/11/2009 12:36 a.m.)
I suspect Isabella throws the widest possible net... Adrian (3/10/2009 6:17 p.m.)
- I agree Julia Catherine (3/12/2009 4:13 p.m.)
- Brother/sister tag-team... MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:35 a.m.)
  - Yet another echo of a future JA novel. Interesting! (nfm) JoAnn (3/11/2009 1:11 p.m.)
A horrid thought! Rachel G (3/10/2009 3:14 p.m.)

Confused about HT`s remarks on marriage... MarianneR (3/10/2009 4:18 a.m.)

Sorting out the mixed messages Tom P2 (3/12/2009 2:04 a.m.)
- "She comes with a bozo attached" - LOL!!! (nfm) JoAnn (3/12/2009 12:30 p.m.)
- Good point MarianneR (3/12/2009 3:57 a.m.)
According to the Forward in Modern Library: BarbaraB (3/11/2009 7:12 p.m.)
- Love how you've avoided spoilers JoAnn (3/12/2009 12:34 p.m.)
  - Thanks :) nfm BarbaraB (3/12/2009 6:56 p.m.)
- What is "Modern Library"? MarianneR (3/12/2009 3:46 a.m.)
  - Modern Library is a publisher Myretta (3/12/2009 6:20 a.m.)
    - Thanks for clearing that up nfm BarbaraB (3/12/2009 7:36 p.m.)
    - I see. Thank you! *nfm* MarianneR (3/12/2009 6:42 a.m.)
Deft pique TimLee (3/11/2009 1:18 p.m.)
I think Henry is feeling a little left out JoAnn (3/11/2009 1:06 p.m.)
- More than feeling left out. Adrian (3/12/2009 12:43 p.m.)
  - Good point. JoAnn (3/12/2009 1:35 p.m.)
    - Blowing him off? CarolTS (3/12/2009 7:10 p.m.)
      - I stand corrected   JoAnn (3/12/2009 7:45 p.m.)
        
        Humorous image   CarolTS (3/13/2009 8:14 p.m.)
        
        Perhaps, having lost his assumed partner, Thorpe...   Adrian (3/14/2009 11:29 a.m.)
        
        LOL! (:D) nfm   Robbin (3/14/2009 2:44 a.m.)
- Agree Tarn (3/12/2009 5:42 a.m.)
  - Quizzers... MarianneR (3/12/2009 7:09 a.m.)
    - Quite right Tarn (3/15/2009 1:49 a.m.)
    - quizzer Evelynj (3/12/2009 8:29 a.m.)
      - More about quizzers Line (3/12/2009 9:51 a.m.)
Fidelity & Complaisance Robbin (3/11/2009 5:10 a.m.)
- Well said! (nfm) Emmeline (3/11/2009 6:00 a.m.)
- Thank you for outlining this! MarianneR (3/11/2009 5:17 a.m.)
It's so very early in their acquaintance Louise H (3/10/2009 2:08 p.m.)
- Witty and meaningful CarolTS (3/11/2009 4:10 p.m.)
- I agree Line (3/10/2009 3:27 p.m.)
  - "Pleasant flirtation" - well said ;o) *nfm* MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:02 a.m.)
- "A bit flirty"?! TimLee (3/10/2009 2:43 p.m.)
I wonder how JA's readers would have seen.... Adrian (3/10/2009 12:26 p.m.)
- Good point MarianneR (3/11/2009 3:56 a.m.)
It is difficult indeed. Emmeline (3/10/2009 7:25 a.m.)

How fast could a horse-drawn carriage go? Line (3/9/2009 7:03 p.m.)

He's exaggerating, I think. Emmeline (3/10/2009 7:15 a.m.)
I think the key word here would be Lynn (3/9/2009 7:59 p.m.)
- The truth... JoAnn (3/11/2009 1:07 p.m.)
  - Thanks for the laugh! *nfm* Ellen M (3/13/2009 3:13 p.m.)
  - Ha/snort! (nfm) TimLee (3/11/2009 1:19 p.m.)

Does JT (and possibly his family) think that James is rich? Graciela (3/9/2009 3:57 p.m.)

That struck me,too MarianneR (3/9/2009 5:12 p.m.)
- It kind of makes you wonder Lynn (3/9/2009 7:57 p.m.)
  - What James told John CarolTS (3/11/2009 4:14 p.m.)
    - Agree About John Thorpe BarbaraB (3/11/2009 7:31 p.m.)
    - That was James' father Karen G (3/11/2009 5:50 p.m.)
      - In college   CarolTS (3/11/2009 6:47 p.m.)
        
        10 children   Karen G (3/12/2009 9:30 a.m.)
        
        And is James the eldest?   Elb� (3/12/2009 10:42 a.m.)
        
        In chapter 4   Graciela (3/12/2009 2:49 p.m.)
        
        Knew I must have missed it! Thanks Graciela! -nfm   Elb� (3/13/2009 8:24 a.m.)
      - But that would mean that James has money to spend Graciela (3/11/2009 6:22 p.m.)
  - I don't think James would have done that. Emmeline (3/10/2009 7:07 a.m.)
  - Well, uncouth as he is... MarianneR (3/10/2009 3:40 a.m.)
    - But would this lead him to lie about his own standing? (nfm) JoAnn (3/11/2009 1:12 p.m.)
      - I meant Thorpe, not James...   MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:29 p.m.)
        
        Thanks for the clarification   JoAnn (3/11/2009 4:35 p.m.)
        
        Isn't a skewed perception of reality   Ellen M (3/13/2009 3:06 p.m.)
        
        I tend to think of bad judgment...   JoAnn (3/13/2009 4:58 p.m.)
        
        Whoops - that's "exaggerate", not "exagerrate"   JoAnn (3/11/2009 4:59 p.m.)
        
        "...because he wants to believe it" - Good point. *nfm*   MarianneR (3/11/2009 4:49 p.m.)

Miss Tilney as opposite to Miss Thorpe Graciela (3/9/2009 2:17 p.m.)

Catherine�s first encounter with them differs also... MarianneR (3/9/2009 4:59 p.m.)
- contrast to Isabella Karen G. (3/11/2009 10:06 p.m.)

Catherine�s backbone developing... MarianneR (3/9/2009 5:54 a.m.)

Re. Growing a backbone Rachel G (3/9/2009 6:49 p.m.)
- I like this part of the quote... Lynn (3/9/2009 7:48 p.m.)

FOCUS: What Catherine Read Adrian (3/8/2009 6:50 p.m.)

Fascinating study... Moni (3/9/2009 8:01 a.m.)

Oxymorons BarbaraB (3/8/2009 6:37 p.m.)

I've noticed all three of these JoAnn (3/11/2009 4:30 p.m.)
- I agree BarbaraB (3/11/2009 7:16 p.m.)
Not sure about the meaning of oxymorons, but MarianneR (3/9/2009 5:05 a.m.)
- Actually... BarbaraB (3/9/2009 10:46 p.m.)
  - How true! *nfm* MarianneR (3/10/2009 3:25 a.m.)
  - That works for me (nfm) Laraine (3/10/2009 12:10 a.m.)
- Here's a good definition Laraine (3/9/2009 2:29 p.m.)
  - oxymoron Evelynj (3/10/2009 5:10 p.m.)
  - Thank you! *nfm* MarianneR (3/9/2009 4:26 p.m.)

Chapter 8: Catherine a bit disillusioned? Lynn (3/8/2009 2:19 p.m.)

Another interesting thing about this line Laraine (3/9/2009 2:43 p.m.)
- Thinking the best of people. Rachel G (3/9/2009 3:09 p.m.)
  - But there's a difference Laraine (3/9/2009 3:45 p.m.)
    - Well Said nfm BarbaraB (3/9/2009 10:41 p.m.)
    - Double meaning depending on tone Karen G (3/9/2009 6:13 p.m.)
      - ROTFLOL! Laraine (3/10/2009 12:08 a.m.)
      - Definitely Jane Bennet! Line (3/9/2009 6:51 p.m.)

Catherine and James's Relationship with the Thorpes (long) BarbaraB (3/8/2009 1:24 a.m.)

Bamboozled Robbin (3/10/2009 12:43 p.m.)
- James and Principles BarbaraB (3/12/2009 10:16 p.m.)
  - Slippery Slope Ellen M (3/13/2009 12:13 p.m.)
- I agree with TimLee - Good analysis. nfm Rachel G (3/10/2009 3:04 p.m.)
- Adept insights to the male character TimLee (3/10/2009 2:03 p.m.)
Scary, even if explicable. Adrian (3/8/2009 12:07 p.m.)
- Do you think Lynn (3/10/2009 7:52 a.m.)
  - Have young men nan duval (3/10/2009 6:49 p.m.)
    - Ha! ... gianni (3/11/2009 3:18 a.m.)
  - I don't think Emmeline (3/10/2009 5:12 p.m.)
  - Not sure when James sees through John. Adrian (3/10/2009 12:08 p.m.)
I very much admire Catherine... Emmeline (3/8/2009 7:09 a.m.)
- James used as a means to accentuate Catherine's virtues Diane N. (3/8/2009 6:12 p.m.)
  - I see echoes of Fanny Price here JoAnn (3/12/2009 4:45 p.m.)
    - Me too. nfm Diane N. (3/12/2009 6:16 p.m.)
  - Definitely good point about headed to be clergy! Karen G (3/9/2009 6:04 p.m.)

Chapter 7: Brothers kathleen (elder) (3/7/2009 8:27 p.m.)

Ch.6 L&T question: What was a pocketbook in JA's time? Line (3/7/2009 10:30 a.m.)

A folding wallet Myretta (3/7/2009 11:15 a.m.)
- Just wondering . . . CarolTS (3/8/2009 5:29 p.m.)
  - ...and what about credit cards? NFM PeterL (3/8/2009 8:57 p.m.)
- Lovely! Thank you * nfm Ivonne (3/8/2009 9:43 a.m.)
  - Yes - thanks, Myretta! (nfm) Line (3/8/2009 11:42 a.m.)

John Thorpe�s way of talking MarianneR (3/7/2009 3:57 a.m.)

Backfiring boasting CarolTS (3/11/2009 4:20 p.m.)
- "Innocent boy"!? I think not! ;) nfm Ellen M (3/13/2009 11:16 a.m.)
I wonder about all those "d--"s too. Diane N. (3/8/2009 5:29 p.m.)
- Chick Magnet Leah Noel (3/9/2009 12:53 p.m.)
You are not alone. Emmeline (3/7/2009 6:18 a.m.)
- now the car, back then the gig! Gina K (3/7/2009 12:15 p.m.)
  - The gig... and the finery Tom P2 (3/10/2009 7:02 p.m.)
  - Today's version Lynn (3/7/2009 9:06 p.m.)
    - Good points all, totally agree ;-) (nfm) Moni (3/8/2009 7:41 a.m.)
  - ,,,and judging every woman's face! Karen G. (3/7/2009 4:55 p.m.)

Chapter 6: Catherine is modest. Lynn (3/6/2009 10:06 p.m.)

Indeed she is! Emmeline (3/7/2009 6:11 a.m.)
- Do you think Lynn (3/7/2009 11:26 a.m.)
  - I think Isabella wants Catherine to compliment kathleen (elder) (3/7/2009 8:07 p.m.)
    - I completely agree Line (3/8/2009 12:16 p.m.)
    - Yes... Emmeline (3/8/2009 6:49 a.m.)
    - lol! Poor Isabella, Lynn (3/7/2009 9:11 p.m.)
  - I suspect nan duval (3/7/2009 7:52 p.m.)
    - I suspect you are right here. Lynn (3/7/2009 9:10 p.m.)
      - Dunno about that... Line (3/8/2009 12:12 p.m.)
      - Poor James! (nfm) Adrian (3/8/2009 11:53 a.m.)
  - I'm not sure. Emmeline (3/7/2009 5:03 p.m.)
    - Golden Rule Robbin (3/8/2009 1:10 p.m.)
      - Isabella's complaint is a boast. nan duval (3/8/2009 1:48 p.m.)

A line that gave me a chuckle... Lynn (3/6/2009 10:01 p.m.)

Another of this week's LOL lines Line (3/7/2009 10:00 a.m.)
That would make an excellent FUP! (nfm) Laraine (3/7/2009 9:24 a.m.)

Thorpe Family: Ch. 4 to 7 � Isabella�s Agenda Robbin (3/5/2009 10:58 p.m.)

James and Catherine William L (3/6/2009 4:58 p.m.)
- Nasty? PeterL (3/6/2009 9:17 p.m.)
Isabella's vanity TimLee (3/6/2009 1:10 p.m.)
- Isabella Speak Robbin (3/8/2009 11:57 a.m.)
- Except . . . Mary Anne (3/6/2009 1:58 p.m.)
- LOLROTF!!!!! nfm Lisa Dalrymple (3/6/2009 1:47 p.m.)
Needless theatre Kim E (3/6/2009 2:32 a.m.)
- I agree Julia Catherine (3/7/2009 2:07 p.m.)
- Is James the object of Isabella�s affection? Robbin (3/6/2009 6:20 p.m.)
  - Then again . . . CarolTS (3/7/2009 5:37 p.m.)
    - One of Many Robbin (3/8/2009 1:21 p.m.)
  - That line of her looking back at the men three times... Eirene (3/7/2009 1:25 a.m.)
- Insincere Isabella - Artless Catherine Rachel G (3/6/2009 4:10 a.m.)

Ch.5: Novel-reading, women and morality Line (3/5/2009 3:01 p.m.)

A few other reasons why novels were women's domain Laraine (3/6/2009 3:04 p.m.)
- Interesting - thanks, Laraine! (nfm) Line (3/7/2009 10:28 a.m.)
- High and low novels... Eirene (3/7/2009 1:12 a.m.)
  - I would not think *The Monk* and *Udolpho*... Adrian (3/7/2009 12:42 p.m.)
    - The Monk...does sound worse than Udolpho (nfm) Eirene (3/8/2009 10:40 p.m.)
    - "The Monk" is indeed a nasty piece of work... Delories (3/8/2009 4:04 a.m.)
We know some things I think Patricia P (3/6/2009 1:40 p.m.)
- Thanks, Patricia! (nfm) Line (3/7/2009 9:43 a.m.)
How could Austen NOT like novels? Lynn (3/5/2009 8:44 p.m.)
- I know it doesn't make sense Line (3/6/2009 9:38 a.m.)

Ch.5 L&T question: What were "morning lounges"? Line (3/5/2009 2:20 p.m.)

Lounging around in the morning Myretta (3/5/2009 3:36 p.m.)
- Thanks, Myretta - I thought there might be... Line (3/6/2009 9:44 a.m.)

This weeks Cinquain! Lynn (3/5/2009 7:49 a.m.)

Type 2 also CarolTS (3/7/2009 11:53 p.m.)
Cinquainimity Leah Noel (3/7/2009 8:24 p.m.)
my cinquain Karen G. (3/7/2009 5:32 p.m.)
I'll give it a try Ivonne (3/6/2009 8:51 p.m.)
My stab at Type 2 Eirene (3/6/2009 7:34 p.m.)
cinquain Reeba (3/6/2009 4:31 p.m.)
- oops! a correction!� Reeba (3/7/2009 7:16 p.m.)
Cinquain Julia Catherine (3/6/2009 3:01 p.m.)
Here is my offering Robbin (3/6/2009 12:13 p.m.)
I'll try one Siobhan (3/6/2009 12:10 p.m.)
Here's mine, I hope it's OK! Elizabeth K (3/6/2009 7:02 a.m.)
Mine (Type 2, I hope it's acceptable) gianni (3/5/2009 10:07 p.m.)
Mine kathleen (elder) (3/5/2009 9:05 p.m.)
My cinquain Vicki (3/5/2009 3:32 p.m.)
Bloviator TimLee (3/5/2009 3:15 p.m.)
- Umm... Laraine (3/5/2009 5:56 p.m.)
  - Oops ... I mean ... ummm ... TimLee (3/5/2009 6:03 p.m.)
    - Psst Ellen M (3/8/2009 12:10 a.m.)
      - Yeah, thanks EM, of course, that's what I meant! (nfm) TimLee (3/8/2009 4:10 p.m.)
Here's mine Laraine (3/5/2009 2:43 p.m.)
Here's the link Lynn (3/5/2009 7:51 a.m.)

Catherine's strength of mind - Ch. 1-7 CarolTS (3/4/2009 12:20 p.m.)

Miscues and Missteps. Adrian (3/4/2009 1:46 p.m.)
- shades of gray from black and white Karen G. (3/7/2009 5:53 p.m.)
  - And there's also the added thing of social rules... Moni (3/10/2009 9:00 a.m.)
    - Now that we're discussing later chapters, as well JoAnn (3/11/2009 12:55 a.m.)
      - Very well said!! ;-)) (nfm) Moni (3/13/2009 8:03 a.m.)

Isabella....a heroine? Ivonne (3/4/2009 10:41 a.m.)

Isabella as heroine Emmeline (3/4/2009 4:31 p.m.)
What a wonderful study in contrast TimLee (3/4/2009 11:41 a.m.)
- Wow! CarolTS (3/4/2009 12:05 p.m.)
  - First impressions Anselm (3/5/2009 10:26 a.m.)
    - Isabella projects? Julia Catherine (3/5/2009 11:24 a.m.)
      - Another instance in that same conversation CarolTS (3/5/2009 2:05 p.m.)
  - Yes! Ivonne (3/5/2009 1:25 a.m.)
    - Heroine Subterfuge Robbin (3/6/2009 12:14 a.m.)
      - Miss Andrews is aCute angle - Isabella is obtuse however nfm CarolTS (3/7/2009 1:12 a.m.)
        
        ROFL! nfm Ellen M (3/9/2009 12:30 p.m.)
- I agree. Great post Ivonne. (;D) nfm Robbin (3/4/2009 11:59 a.m.)

Ch.4: Question about lords and attornies Line (3/4/2009 9:32 a.m.)

From OUP explanatory notes Deborah Julia (3/5/2009 9:32 a.m.)
- Thanks, Deborah Julia! Sounds like a favorite plot... Line (3/5/2009 1:51 p.m.)

Chapters 4 & 5 -- We meet the Thorpe women kathleen (elder) (3/3/2009 8:06 p.m.)

The Thorpes - UGH!!! JoAnn (3/3/2009 11:12 p.m.)
- Why is James deceived? Julia Catherine (3/4/2009 9:59 a.m.)
  - I have long wondered this. Here is what I think. Adrian (3/4/2009 1:21 p.m.)
    - You are right I think Patricia P (3/5/2009 1:13 p.m.)
      - Isabella's situation   Virginia (3/5/2009 5:21 p.m.)
        
        I don't think that time is fleeting for Isabella   Graciela (3/5/2009 7:56 p.m.)
        
        Isabella's age   Virginia (3/5/2009 9:15 p.m.)
        
        Women's age at marriage   Line (3/7/2009 10:25 a.m.)
        
        Yes, the financial situation may be key.   Adrian (3/7/2009 12:37 p.m.)
        
        L&T question: All out at once?   Ellen M (3/9/2009 2:31 p.m.)
        
        As they're not out...   Myretta (3/9/2009 6:11 p.m.)
        
        Thorpe finances   Virginia (3/7/2009 5:16 p.m.)
        
        Can you imagine?   Julia Catherine (3/7/2009 12:52 p.m.)
        
        John or one of the other brothers   kathleen (elder) (3/7/2009 1:15 p.m.)
        
        CORRECTION   Virginia (3/5/2009 5:39 p.m.)
      - Doubts about Isabella? CarolTS (3/5/2009 2:12 p.m.)
        
        Oops Patricia P (3/6/2009 1:13 p.m.)
    - Definitely Ivonne (3/5/2009 1:59 a.m.)
      - Living a sheltered life at home - 10 children Karen G (3/5/2009 4:31 p.m.)
        
        I was just thinking this Line (3/6/2009 9:50 a.m.)
    - Exactly what I was thinking Patty Patricia (3/4/2009 3:59 p.m.)
    - I like your synthesis. nan duval (3/4/2009 1:43 p.m.)
  - Isabella's beauty Virginia (3/4/2009 11:09 a.m.)
    - Agreed. Diane N. (3/4/2009 9:58 p.m.)
- John Thorpe the Rattle Virginia (3/4/2009 9:50 a.m.)
- Quite so! (nfm) Emmeline (3/4/2009 7:10 a.m.)

Echoes of other JA novels JoAnn (3/3/2009 7:54 p.m.)

Oh, yes! Rose G (3/4/2009 4:31 a.m.)
- Also Julia Catherine (3/4/2009 10:38 a.m.)
But wait... there's more! JoAnn (3/3/2009 11:15 p.m.)
- Yes, indeed! (nfm) Emmeline (3/4/2009 7:04 a.m.)

Chapter 3: Catherine is more thoughtful Lynn (3/3/2009 4:25 p.m.)

I like that this interchange... JoAnn (3/3/2009 7:15 p.m.)
- Difference in interchanges: CM with HT or Isabella TimLee (3/3/2009 7:49 p.m.)
  - Does Catherine realize that Isabella's not being transparent? JoAnn (3/3/2009 8:00 p.m.)
    - Isabella is noton ly not transparent ... TimLee (3/3/2009 11:21 p.m.)
      - Why can't she be ...   gianni (3/4/2009 1:39 a.m.)
        
        in addition - demands on attention   Karen G (3/5/2009 10:18 a.m.)
        
        I was thinking along the same lines..   Lynn (3/5/2009 8:40 p.m.)
        
        I agree   Julia Catherine (3/4/2009 9:26 a.m.)
        
        Exactly! nfm   TimLee (3/4/2009 9:53 a.m.)
        
        Excellent - you put it better than I could! (nfm)   Line (3/4/2009 9:07 a.m.)
        
        Good observation   JoAnn (3/4/2009 1:51 a.m.)
      - But if she doesn't realize Isabella isn't on the up and up   JoAnn (3/3/2009 11:46 p.m.)
        
        Is it possible   Patty Patricia (3/4/2009 12:44 p.m.)
        
        Catherine's differing responses ...   TimLee (3/4/2009 11:37 a.m.)
        
        Agendas   Robbin (3/4/2009 12:51 p.m.)
        
        Building on Robbin's idea of agendas   Adrian (3/4/2009 1:02 p.m.)
I also like her riposte TimLee (3/3/2009 6:09 p.m.)
- Able to hold her own Line (3/3/2009 7:27 p.m.)
I agree. Emmeline (3/3/2009 5:27 p.m.)

Ch.3: Warm wine and water Line (3/3/2009 3:00 p.m.)

Very different attitude indeed, and also note... Delories (3/5/2009 11:07 a.m.)
- Quite possibly better than drinking the water by itself Tom P2 (3/10/2009 3:40 a.m.)
- Yes, I'd like to know what the ratio was! ;-) (nfm) Line (3/5/2009 1:55 p.m.)
Yes, her heroines are a bunch of sots, aren't they?! #+) nfm TimLee (3/3/2009 6:06 p.m.)
- LOL! 'nfm' message had Mr Hurst with his wine decanter -nfm Elb� (3/4/2009 1:20 p.m.)

Enter the hero Virginia (3/3/2009 1:06 p.m.)

But are we sure Henry *is* the hero yet? Adrian (3/3/2009 1:20 p.m.)
- I wasn't sure at this point... Diane N. (3/3/2009 10:08 p.m.)
  - Certainly the contrast with John Thorpe JoAnn (3/3/2009 11:48 p.m.)
    - Yes, but... Kath (3/4/2009 2:23 p.m.)
      - Wickham vs. Thorpe   JoAnn (3/4/2009 3:38 p.m.)
        
        In P&P Lizzy thinks Darcy is the louse.   Adrian (3/4/2009 6:04 p.m.)
        
        That is exactly what I meant. Thank you. :-) *nfm*   Kath (3/6/2009 9:40 a.m.)
        
        Point well taken.   JoAnn (3/4/2009 6:23 p.m.)
  - Neither was I, except... Kaye M. (3/3/2009 11:22 p.m.)
- Henry as hero? Emmeline (3/3/2009 5:20 p.m.)

Chapter 3: something improper Gina K (3/3/2009 12:20 p.m.)

The Impropriety of Dreaming Robbin (3/4/2009 5:09 p.m.)
I just love JoAnn (3/3/2009 7:27 p.m.)

Catherine's development - chap. 1 Elizabeth K (3/3/2009 9:57 a.m.)

If this is a parody of gothic novels JoAnn (3/3/2009 7:33 p.m.)
- So glad you mentioned that... Lynn (3/3/2009 8:30 p.m.)
room for interpretation Gina K (3/3/2009 11:56 a.m.)
- JA's brevity Elizabeth K (3/5/2009 6:49 a.m.)
- Felt The Same Way BarbaraB (3/3/2009 5:45 p.m.)
- This shows that even early in her writing... Adrian (3/3/2009 1:13 p.m.)
Quite different from other JA 'heroines' as well Lynn (3/3/2009 11:07 a.m.)
- We know Fanny Price as a child Graciela (3/3/2009 12:51 p.m.)
- I agree CarolTS (3/3/2009 12:35 p.m.)

Chapter 2 -- more about the Morlands kathleen (elder) (3/2/2009 8:57 p.m.)

I like that description as well... Lynn (3/3/2009 7:57 a.m.)
- Mrs Morland and novels kathleen (elder) (3/3/2009 8:11 p.m.)
  - Right. As BarbaraB says below ... TimLee (3/4/2009 11:33 a.m.)
    - Yes, but *Sir Charles Grandison* IIRC is... Adrian (3/4/2009 12:41 p.m.)
      - This book Patricia P (3/5/2009 1:18 p.m.)
      - I think she did, though its not definate...   Elb� (3/4/2009 1:05 p.m.)
        
        it is possible   Emmeline (3/4/2009 4:20 p.m.)
        
        That is what I felt too -nfm   Elb� (3/5/2009 9:52 a.m.)
        
        Although   CarolTS (3/4/2009 3:14 p.m.)
        
        You are correct; I had forgotten. (nfm)   Adrian (3/4/2009 1:07 p.m.)
And when we met her brother in ch 7 ... TimLee (3/2/2009 9:17 p.m.)

Mrs. Allen Virginia (3/2/2009 7:01 p.m.)

Her little joke Patricia P (3/5/2009 1:23 p.m.)
Could have been a family arrangement Patty Patricia (3/3/2009 9:31 a.m.)
- Mrs. Allen continued Virginia (3/3/2009 9:49 a.m.)
Does not the book explain what, if not why? Adrian (3/2/2009 8:25 p.m.)

Who Wants to be a Gothic Heroine? nan duval (3/2/2009 3:13 p.m.)

I agree with one exception. Adrian (3/2/2009 8:15 p.m.)
- What I meant was nan duval (3/3/2009 6:53 p.m.)
I think you're right JoAnn (3/2/2009 3:50 p.m.)
- Good point Patty Patricia (3/2/2009 4:02 p.m.)
  - Agree about Isabella's role Kaye M. (3/2/2009 6:27 p.m.)

JA's novel apologetic and the Thorpes TimLee (3/2/2009 11:46 a.m.)

Would Catherine catch the meaning of Thorpe's taste? Delories (3/5/2009 11:25 a.m.)
- It's JA's opinion of such people ,,, TimLee (3/5/2009 1:38 p.m.)
Novels, Heroines & Catherine Robbin (3/3/2009 1:16 a.m.)
- 'affected indifference' Emmeline (3/3/2009 5:11 p.m.)
  - Oh dear! Robbin (3/3/2009 6:39 p.m.)
    - Are these Catherine's feelings Patty Patricia (3/4/2009 12:34 p.m.)
      - I believe the quote is in the narrator�s voice. Robbin (3/4/2009 1:00 p.m.)
        
        Yes that was my question - thanks (nfm) Patty Patricia (3/4/2009 3:55 p.m.)
    - Yes, very true. Emmeline (3/4/2009 6:55 a.m.)
- And, at the same time, CarolTS (3/3/2009 3:28 a.m.)
Ulp! Are you on chapter 5 already? Line (3/2/2009 9:23 p.m.)
- Bloviate definition TimLee (3/2/2009 9:40 p.m.)
"Tom Jones" & "The Monk" Rachel G (3/2/2009 6:48 p.m.)
- Thanks for the description of these books! Diane N. (3/4/2009 10:11 p.m.)
  - Actually, if Catherine had not read *Camilla* and... Adrian (3/5/2009 11:45 a.m.)
    - I don't know about "The Monk", but I believe... Line (3/5/2009 2:04 p.m.)
      - JA's reading   Emmeline (3/5/2009 5:39 p.m.)
        
        The future good (ch10)... and Rasselas... and harmless pleasure   Tom P2 (3/10/2009 9:06 p.m.)
        
        Thanks, Emmeline!   Line (3/6/2009 9:59 a.m.)
Would Thorpe's bigotry have been as much a... Adrian (3/2/2009 2:39 p.m.)
- Why couldn't it have been simply silliness? gianni (3/3/2009 9:59 p.m.)
- Is it really bigotry? Lynn (3/2/2009 4:17 p.m.)
  - But later he says Patty Patricia (3/2/2009 4:29 p.m.)
    - True, sorry. Forgot that bit! nfm Lynn (3/2/2009 5:41 p.m.)
- Good insights, going to a deeper level TimLee (3/2/2009 3:07 p.m.)
How much of this do we know right now, though? Lynn (3/2/2009 12:07 p.m.)
- I tried to be careful ... TimLee (3/2/2009 12:16 p.m.)
  - Thanks! Lynn (3/2/2009 4:12 p.m.)
    - You know the great thing about the word bloviator? TimLee (3/2/2009 4:25 p.m.)
      - New word for me. Elb� (3/3/2009 8:23 a.m.)
      - It makes me wonder about James... Lynn (3/2/2009 5:42 p.m.)
        
        It makes James's character more real, I think TimLee (3/2/2009 5:59 p.m.)
Great post Amymarie (3/2/2009 12:04 p.m.)

Ch. 3: Henry had me at "hello" Delories (3/2/2009 11:10 a.m.)

I loved the simper, too -- gianni (3/6/2009 11:09 p.m.)
Catherine's journal Julia Catherine (3/3/2009 11:09 a.m.)
- This really struck me JoAnn (3/3/2009 7:39 p.m.)
  - First (or second first) impression of Henry Tilney Karen G (3/6/2009 1:40 p.m.)
    - Archness and Pleasantry Ellen M (3/7/2009 11:45 p.m.)
    - Why not just a really nice guy... gianni (3/7/2009 1:58 p.m.)
      - Even a nice guy can be nice because he's an innocent flirt! Karen G. (3/7/2009 5:03 p.m.)
        
        example of Tilney's flirting (or making fun) - Ch. 3 Karen G. (3/7/2009 5:27 p.m.)
    - Another flirt in JA's canon Line (3/7/2009 9:42 a.m.)
      - I agree! :-) nfm Karen G. (3/7/2009 5:03 p.m.)
    - Never thought of that! Lynn (3/6/2009 9:57 p.m.)
  - Genuine spark of attraction Julia Catherine (3/3/2009 9:06 p.m.)
I love how the description of Henry... JoAnn (3/2/2009 1:11 p.m.)

Ch.2 L&T question: Mrs. Allen's clogs Line (3/2/2009 9:22 a.m.)

She probably meant clogs Myretta (3/2/2009 9:44 a.m.)
- Thanks, Myretta! (nfm) Line (3/2/2009 9:17 p.m.)
- Thanks for the info and Robbin (3/2/2009 5:28 p.m.)

Ch.2: The more things change,... Line (3/2/2009 9:16 a.m.)

Tried Trisha Patty Patricia (3/2/2009 3:32 p.m.)
So True BarbaraB (3/2/2009 1:38 p.m.)

Initial Setting/Background BarbaraB (3/1/2009 11:22 p.m.)

A "heroine-in-training" CarolTS (3/1/2009 11:36 p.m.)
- But is "heroine-in-training" something.... Adrian (3/2/2009 2:24 p.m.)
  - I don't know CarolTS (3/2/2009 3:06 p.m.)
    - Memorization... Lynn (3/3/2009 11:10 a.m.)
      - But we know what she memorized on her own   CarolTS (3/3/2009 12:31 p.m.)
        
        Did Catherine memorize this for fun?   Line (3/3/2009 2:10 p.m.)
        
        P.S: More evidence that this may have been a school text   Line (3/3/2009 2:50 p.m.)
        
        I don't disagree they were well-known   CarolTS (3/3/2009 5:12 p.m.)

The Hare and Many Friends BarbaraB (3/1/2009 6:07 p.m.)

And for those who would like... Line (3/1/2009 7:09 p.m.)
- Thanks! Emmeline (3/2/2009 7:07 a.m.)
- Wow! CarolTS (3/1/2009 8:16 p.m.)
  - Good example of a Regency "pop-culture reference"... Delories (3/2/2009 10:56 a.m.)

Thorpe Family: Ch. 7 - A Most Knowing-looking Coachman Robbin (3/1/2009 5:35 p.m.)

I do not like him at all. Emmeline (3/2/2009 6:15 p.m.)
- I have heard fannie (3/3/2009 2:35 p.m.)
  - And how he treats his horse... Leah Noel (3/3/2009 7:09 p.m.)
I don't think JA, nan duval (3/2/2009 2:18 p.m.)
- LOL! I agree very much! (;D) nfm Robbin (3/2/2009 5:24 p.m.)
I think he is being cruel! Elb� (3/2/2009 7:40 a.m.)
- She rode horses Graciela (3/2/2009 7:38 p.m.)
- And incompetent. nan duval (3/2/2009 2:15 p.m.)
  - I see Robbin (3/2/2009 5:23 p.m.)
- That is.... Reeba (3/2/2009 9:52 a.m.)
  - It probably also shows... Adrian (3/2/2009 2:11 p.m.)
    - Does it? CarolTS (3/2/2009 3:18 p.m.)

Chapter 1: Heroine Lynn (3/1/2009 4:34 p.m.)

Qualities of a heroine Line (3/2/2009 9:09 a.m.)
Childhood activities Eirene (3/1/2009 7:04 p.m.)
- sacrifice of self Patricia P (3/4/2009 1:45 p.m.)
- I suppose nursing a dormouse... Line (3/1/2009 7:13 p.m.)
  - I really like this detail of nursing the dormouse Delories (3/2/2009 10:53 a.m.)
    - I think is says, however, Lynn (3/2/2009 12:03 p.m.)
  - The herioine of Tom Jones nursed an injured bird. -nfm Adrian (3/1/2009 8:00 p.m.)
Cecilia Rachel G (3/1/2009 6:30 p.m.)
- Hmm Amymarie (3/3/2009 9:56 a.m.)
  - Could you give a chapter citation, please? kathleen (elder) (3/3/2009 10:29 a.m.)
    - Sorry Amymarie (3/3/2009 11:06 a.m.)
      - JA uses these works as examples of novels. Adrian (3/3/2009 1:00 p.m.)
- Sounds more like a cameleon, than a heroine! - nfm Elb� (3/3/2009 7:33 a.m.)
  - Indeed! LOL! Kath (3/4/2009 2:53 p.m.)
- I love the description of Catherine at 15 Ellen M (3/1/2009 10:48 p.m.)
Especially Gothic heroines Laraine (3/1/2009 6:29 p.m.)
- You've just described JoAnn (3/2/2009 1:05 p.m.)
- But....but..... Amymarie (3/2/2009 11:21 a.m.)
  - Photographic negative. Graciela (3/2/2009 2:50 p.m.)
    - Not to stray too far from NA.... Amymarie (3/2/2009 5:51 p.m.)
      - On teh contrary, Emily of *Udolpho* has no faults...   Adrian (3/2/2009 7:55 p.m.)
        
        Yes she does!!!   Amymarie (3/2/2009 8:07 p.m.)
        
        But that *is* the point.   Reeba (3/3/2009 5:42 a.m.)
        
        But it was not considered good...   Emmeline (3/3/2009 6:25 a.m.)
        
        Let's not stray too far from NA   Lynn (3/3/2009 11:15 a.m.)
        
        Pray forgive me.   Emmeline (3/3/2009 4:58 p.m.)
  - I do not see how one can say the Allens are not... Adrian (3/2/2009 2:08 p.m.)
    - Mrs Allen as chaperon Emmeline (3/3/2009 6:34 a.m.)
    - The Allens as chaperones JoAnn (3/2/2009 2:38 p.m.)
  - Please limit the discussion Lynn (3/2/2009 12:01 p.m.)
- So true! Lynn (3/1/2009 11:07 p.m.)

Muslin discussion, ch. 3 Louise H (3/1/2009 12:36 p.m.)

I don't think it was rude Amymarie (3/2/2009 11:13 a.m.)
- I agree. nan duval (3/2/2009 12:36 p.m.)
If price for muslin is not fixed, then rather than being rude... Adrian (3/1/2009 7:58 p.m.)
- also... Emmeline (3/2/2009 7:01 a.m.)
  - How is that a compliment? JoAnn (3/4/2009 12:36 a.m.)
    - I don't think he meant it that way. :-) nfm Emmeline (3/4/2009 4:04 p.m.)
    - Your references? CarolTS (3/4/2009 2:13 a.m.)
      - Mrs. Allen says... JoAnn (3/4/2009 9:58 a.m.)
not rude, I hope... Emmeline (3/1/2009 5:55 p.m.)
Perhaps nine shillings... Reeba (3/1/2009 4:11 p.m.)
A world unto herself Robbin (3/1/2009 3:43 p.m.)
- Exactly Sarah Hannah (3/1/2009 6:59 p.m.)
  - Agree nfm BarbaraB (3/1/2009 11:28 p.m.)
Agreeing with someone is rude? CarolTS (3/1/2009 3:21 p.m.)
- Must have been the voice in my head Patty Patricia (3/1/2009 4:00 p.m.)
  - Lol, I like Henry from the first Elb� (3/2/2009 7:18 a.m.)
Don't like to think of Henry being rude Sarah Hannah (3/1/2009 1:36 p.m.)
- Amused but Kind Robbin (3/1/2009 4:43 p.m.)
  - I agree with all this Louise H (3/1/2009 4:50 p.m.)
- Intent David S (3/1/2009 4:40 p.m.)
  - The end of this paragraph JoAnn (3/2/2009 12:59 p.m.)
    - But that's Catherine's impression CarolTS (3/2/2009 3:12 p.m.)
      - That's just my point JoAnn (3/3/2009 1:15 a.m.)
My first thought was catty Patty Patricia (3/1/2009 1:23 p.m.)
- A fop and a dandy? Reeba (3/1/2009 4:04 p.m.)

Family Relationships: Chapter1 - the Morlands kathleen (elder) (3/1/2009 10:14 a.m.)

I love how this makes her so accessible JoAnn (3/1/2009 3:05 p.m.)

Heroines Laraine (3/1/2009 9:56 a.m.)

Breathtakingly beautiful geniuses from dysfunctional families. nan duval (3/1/2009 7:21 p.m.)
- But is she a typical person? Adrian (3/1/2009 7:25 p.m.)
  - Yes she is! Gina K (3/2/2009 11:27 a.m.)
  - How do we know he does? Lynn (3/1/2009 11:10 p.m.)
    - He spent the whole evening with her... Adrian (3/2/2009 1:42 p.m.)
  - But was it exceptional? CarolTS (3/1/2009 8:07 p.m.)
    - I agree Line (3/2/2009 8:25 a.m.)
Modern Heroine BarbaraB (3/1/2009 2:08 p.m.)
- Mrs. Morland--soccer mom. nan duval (3/1/2009 7:23 p.m.)
  - LOL, I can see that, she's a good mom nfm BarbaraB (3/1/2009 11:40 p.m.)
And she liked to play cricket Elb� (3/1/2009 10:40 a.m.)
- Cricket Virginia (3/1/2009 5:51 p.m.)
  - Oops! Virginia (3/1/2009 8:12 p.m.)
  - And it speaks well of the sibling relationships, kathleen (elder) (3/1/2009 5:54 p.m.)
    - Yes, nice family BarbaraB (3/1/2009 11:38 p.m.)
- I had not thought of reading it that way... Sarah Hannah (3/1/2009 1:21 p.m.)
  - I, too. Emmeline (3/1/2009 5:51 p.m.)
  - Thats how I understood.... Reeba (3/1/2009 3:58 p.m.)
  - I agree with Elbe JoAnn (3/1/2009 3:02 p.m.)

Welcome!! Lynn (3/1/2009 9:10 a.m.)

Jane Austen oldie, GR newbie Anselm (3/5/2009 9:34 a.m.)
- New to Pemberley? Myretta (3/5/2009 10:19 a.m.)
Ooh, just learned today of the new group-read! MarianneR (3/4/2009 2:21 a.m.)
- Better late than never. Lynn (3/4/2009 7:50 a.m.)
Thrilled to be here Kath (3/2/2009 2:23 p.m.)
First Pemberley group read where I am participating Elizabeth K (3/2/2009 5:25 a.m.)
Thankyou [nfm] Tarn (3/2/2009 3:43 a.m.)
Something new for me. gianni (3/2/2009 3:18 a.m.)
No specific focus... Moni (3/1/2009 10:56 p.m.)
My not-so-serious focus :-) Laurel (3/1/2009 8:43 p.m.)
- Can I interest you in... Tom P2 (3/2/2009 8:51 p.m.)
  - Quite impressive!! If I had more time I would copy... :( nfm Ellen M (3/6/2009 1:40 p.m.)
  - Sorry, that's **way** too serious for me! ;-) (nfm) Laurel (3/3/2009 8:08 p.m.)
  - Oh my!! Lynn (3/3/2009 11:18 a.m.)
- LOL! You always make me smile Lynn (3/1/2009 11:03 p.m.)
- You just got a LOL from me! :) nfm Ellen M (3/1/2009 10:53 p.m.)
Second time reader.... Eirene (3/1/2009 6:50 p.m.)
- It makes perfect sense! Lynn (3/1/2009 11:03 p.m.)
Relative newb David S (3/1/2009 5:15 p.m.)
Going with the flow, and maybe trying to track Henry's POV Tom P2 (3/1/2009 4:50 p.m.)
So excited to start! nan duval (3/1/2009 4:33 p.m.)
Thank you. nfm Reeba (3/1/2009 3:58 p.m.)
Hoping to be able to stick it out! JoAnn (3/1/2009 3:00 p.m.)
Second time reader Leah Noel (3/1/2009 2:32 p.m.)
Thanks (nfm) BarbaraB (3/1/2009 1:58 p.m.)
Very excited! Sarah Hannah (3/1/2009 1:18 p.m.)
Greetings Fellow Pemberleans Robbin (3/1/2009 12:43 p.m.)
2nd time reader Patty Patricia (3/1/2009 11:10 a.m.)
- 2nd time reader, too Karen G. (3/1/2009 2:31 p.m.)
  - Karen, you surprise me! :-) Lynn (3/1/2009 4:35 p.m.)
Not my first read, but first NA group-read! Elb� (3/1/2009 10:20 a.m.)
- My first Pemberley group read! nfm Ellen M (3/1/2009 4:12 p.m.)
  - Welcome - Hope you enjoy it! :-) (nfm) Line (3/1/2009 6:47 p.m.)
- Slowing down & paying close attention. Rachel G (3/1/2009 12:50 p.m.)
- Catherine as a heroine Virginia (3/1/2009 12:34 p.m.)
First-time reader? Absolutely! Line (3/1/2009 10:00 a.m.)
- The Pope quotation Laraine (3/1/2009 2:31 p.m.)
  - Thanks, Laraine! :-) (nfm) Line (3/1/2009 6:50 p.m.)
Gaps Laraine (3/1/2009 10:00 a.m.)
Family Relationships kathleen (elder) (3/1/2009 9:55 a.m.)
I would like to keep an eye on what Catherine read... Adrian (3/1/2009 9:45 a.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 13-15 Adrian (3/8/2009 12:18 p.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 8-12 Adrian (3/8/2009 12:15 p.m.)
  - Adrian, why don't you post these at the top Lynn (3/8/2009 2:21 p.m.)
    - I have posted a mssg at the top that links to each of these. Adrian (3/8/2009 6:57 p.m.)
      - The links will hold, but Lynn (3/8/2009 7:19 p.m.)
  - Small quibble Line (3/8/2009 12:27 p.m.)
- Thank you for these posts, Adrian Amymarie (3/2/2009 2:17 p.m.)
  - Yes... BarbaraB (3/2/2009 5:09 p.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 7 Adrian (3/2/2009 1:35 p.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 6 Adrian (3/2/2009 1:31 p.m.)
  - Having read Udolpho myself JoAnn (3/3/2009 9:56 p.m.)
    - Do we know that she received Udolpho from Isabella? Ellen M (3/6/2009 1:34 p.m.)
      - Reading together Robbin (3/6/2009 4:28 p.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 5 Adrian (3/2/2009 1:11 p.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 3 Adrian (3/2/2009 1:01 p.m.)
  - "The man's love must come first" Line (3/2/2009 9:34 p.m.)
- FOCUS: What Catherine Read --from Ch. 1 Adrian (3/2/2009 12:56 p.m.)

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