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MP Round Up Tifah (12/2/2007 4:24 p.m.)

Good reading Tifah--enjoyed your conclusions Robbin (12/2/2007 5:51 p.m.)
Thank you for your thoughts, Tifah. Reeba (12/2/2007 5:29 p.m.)

Grand Finale - last day of the group read LaurieC (12/2/2007 12:07 p.m.)

Adding my thanks, Laurie: most inspiring BarbaraB (12/2/2007 3:10 p.m.)
No!! It can't be over!! ;-) JoAnn (12/2/2007 2:44 p.m.)
- They are all great JoAnn. :-) Reeba (12/2/2007 3:25 p.m.)
- Wonderful! Robbin (12/2/2007 3:17 p.m.)
- Oh, fun limericks ! Mandy N (12/2/2007 2:54 p.m.)
Yes - wow! And I'm still scrambling to read all the posts! Elbè (12/2/2007 2:04 p.m.)
Thankyou Laurie & everyone :-) Mandy N (12/2/2007 1:41 p.m.)
- Thanks, Mandy. Lovely way to end. nfm Reeba (12/2/2007 2:14 p.m.)
- Lovely picture and thanks! (;D) nfm Robbin (12/2/2007 1:56 p.m.)
Many thanks, Laurie, Julie, and all participants! (nfm) Louise H (12/2/2007 1:23 p.m.)
Thank you Laurie C , & thank you everyone! Rachel G (12/2/2007 1:01 p.m.)
Thank you LaurieC (;D) Robbin (12/2/2007 1:00 p.m.)
Thank you Laurie. :-) nfm Lila (12/2/2007 12:56 p.m.)
Thank you, Laurie :-) Reeba (12/2/2007 12:47 p.m.)
Three cheers (at least) for our fabulous moderator! Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 12:20 p.m.)
And a special thanks to JulieW... LaurieC (12/2/2007 12:12 p.m.)
- Yes, a special thanks... Reeba (12/2/2007 3:59 p.m.)
- For JulieW BarbaraB (12/2/2007 3:14 p.m.)
- Bless you dearest, JulieW (12/2/2007 2:49 p.m.)
- Sad to see it end! But wow, thank you!!:D nfm Tifah (12/2/2007 2:27 p.m.)
- Many thanks Julie, Mandy N (12/2/2007 1:47 p.m.)
- Yes! Robbin (12/2/2007 1:05 p.m.)
- I second the thanks to JulieW, for the GR & L&T too! :-) Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 12:24 p.m.)
  - Amen to that! Rachel G (12/2/2007 1:09 p.m.)

Foreshadowing Dr Grant. Rachel G (12/2/2007 10:08 a.m.)

Death of a parson bookends... Robbin (12/2/2007 1:54 p.m.)
- Mrs. Crawford's death Graciela (12/2/2007 2:46 p.m.)
  - Excellent! Oh so significant--good catch! (;D) Thanks. nfm Robbin (12/2/2007 3:22 p.m.)

Ch. 48 MP turned upside down... Moni (12/2/2007 8:51 a.m.)

'no difficulties behind' Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:05 a.m.)
- Behind Rachel G (12/2/2007 10:21 a.m.)
  - Perfect! Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:26 a.m.)

Tidbits among the adverts – Chapter 34 Robbin (12/2/2007 1:51 a.m.)

But he didn't sell his hunter. It was a road-horse. Graciela (12/2/2007 3:38 p.m.)
- So it is. LoL! (;D) nfm Robbin (12/2/2007 3:50 p.m.)
Love it! nfm BarbaraB (12/2/2007 2:36 p.m.)
LOL!! Wonderful tidbit pickings. Reeba (12/2/2007 10:48 a.m.)
Oh, excellent! LOL!!! :-D *nfm* LaurieC (12/2/2007 2:27 a.m.)
Glad you mention this!... Moni (12/2/2007 2:15 a.m.)
- I agree... Robbin (12/2/2007 3:59 a.m.)
  - It's so complex... Moni (12/2/2007 4:02 a.m.)
    - It isn’t all it first appears… Robbin (12/2/2007 4:52 a.m.)
      - I always wonder with a complex text such as this... JoAnn (12/2/2007 3:03 p.m.)
        
        I wish we knew how JA did it... Robbin (12/2/2007 3:39 p.m.)
      - Well said... Moni (12/2/2007 4:57 a.m.)
    - Now we know. ;D Mandy N (12/2/2007 4:47 a.m.)
      - LOL! ;-D (nfm) Moni (12/2/2007 6:35 a.m.)
LOL! Psychic indeed. :-) (nfm) JoAnn (12/2/2007 2:08 a.m.)
LOL. Glad to see I'm not the only one still up! nfm Connie (12/2/2007 2:06 a.m.)

What happened to HC in the end? JoAnn (12/2/2007 12:29 a.m.)

Ch. 48 - Henry & Maria separated LaurieC (12/2/2007 12:37 a.m.)
- That's what I thought JoAnn (12/2/2007 12:41 a.m.)

What so you think of this: Hope BarbaraB (12/1/2007 11:24 p.m.)

The hope of Mansfield... Mandy N (12/2/2007 1:16 p.m.)
I would like to... Reeba (12/2/2007 10:43 a.m.)
What else but the arrival or expectation of children Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 9:56 a.m.)
Yes, I would agree the text means that;-) (nfm) Moni (12/2/2007 4:47 a.m.)
The pitter-patter of little Fanny feet... Robbin (12/2/2007 3:56 a.m.)
Absolutely agree Tarn (12/2/2007 1:38 a.m.)
Sure seems like it to me JoAnn (12/2/2007 12:39 a.m.)
More details on book? LaurieC (12/1/2007 11:48 p.m.)
- Book Title BarbaraB (12/2/2007 9:22 a.m.)

MP in general... Moni (12/1/2007 10:34 p.m.)

I read this differently, Connie (12/2/2007 2:18 a.m.)
- I read it like that too Connie. (;D) nfm Robbin (12/2/2007 4:02 a.m.)
  - I need to expand on this more, I think... Moni (12/2/2007 4:19 a.m.)
    - Not preachy or highly moralistic? Louise H (12/2/2007 11:17 a.m.)
      - You do have a point   Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 11:46 a.m.)
        
        As I think of it   Louise H (12/2/2007 11:54 a.m.)
        
        I feel the same...   Rachel G (12/2/2007 1:21 p.m.)
        
        Maybe it's not city vs rural, but...   Reeba (12/2/2007 2:21 p.m.)
        
        I agree and   Crystal (12/2/2007 6:36 p.m.)
        
        I agree   JoAnn (12/2/2007 2:52 p.m.)
      - We know that the Regency era... Reeba (12/2/2007 11:27 a.m.)
    - Exactly Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:08 a.m.)
      - I'm not so sure... Reeba (12/2/2007 11:18 a.m.)
        
        Oh dear! Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 11:41 a.m.)
      - Not so silly, IMO.   Rachel G (12/2/2007 10:53 a.m.)
        
        So you DO think Pug would have a shot at Best of Breed?   Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 11:30 a.m.)
        
        Ooh!   Rachel G (12/2/2007 12:33 p.m.)
    - I agree, there are no terrible reckonings Robbin (12/2/2007 5:12 a.m.)
      - Yes, it's a good pattern... Moni (12/2/2007 6:34 a.m.)
- Yes, it's like... Moni (12/2/2007 2:29 a.m.)

Could someone clarify the Dr. Grant situation at the end? Adrian (12/1/2007 8:26 p.m.)

What made me laugh out loud was to realize Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 9:23 a.m.)
- Snap! Rachel G (12/2/2007 10:28 a.m.)
  - My dear little creature Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:34 a.m.)
    - PC unfried, beauty & health intact, thanks! LOL! Rachel G (12/2/2007 11:48 a.m.)
"I have no idea but of residence" Tina T (12/1/2007 8:42 p.m.)
- We also know that they moved to the MP parsonage... Christopher (12/1/2007 9:22 p.m.)
  - I meant to say Tina T (12/1/2007 10:44 p.m.)

Are the Crawford revelations realistic? Louise H (12/1/2007 2:49 p.m.)

Very simple IMO ;-) Reeba (12/2/2007 5:23 a.m.)
A small mistake creating a big reaction Tifah (12/1/2007 5:30 p.m.)
- Mary made no secret.... Moni (12/1/2007 8:55 p.m.)
  - Mary didn't transcend early influences... Mandy N (12/2/2007 2:25 p.m.)
    - I agree, except JoAnn (12/2/2007 3:17 p.m.)
      - That's possible, Mandy N (12/2/2007 4:28 p.m.)
You're not the first to have this reaction Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 4:40 p.m.)
- Getting Rid of Henry Luc (12/2/2007 1:23 a.m.)
  - I think you may be reading to much here... Lila (12/2/2007 12:44 p.m.)
  - You make a good case Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 9:18 a.m.)
    - I don't think he was trying to make amends... Elbè (12/2/2007 2:51 p.m.)
- What great comments! JoAnn (12/1/2007 7:10 p.m.)
- Thank you! Louise H (12/1/2007 4:49 p.m.)
Hmm... Sort of.. Rachel G (12/1/2007 3:44 p.m.)
- "Because he could not help it." Louise H (12/1/2007 5:16 p.m.)
  - Maria as villain, Henry as helpless victim. Connie (12/2/2007 2:46 a.m.)
    - Thanks. Will be thinking about it :-) nfm Reeba (12/2/2007 2:16 p.m.)
    - The no-novel novel... Moni (12/2/2007 4:52 a.m.)
      - Breaking the conventions.   Rachel G (12/2/2007 9:03 a.m.)
        
        Wow.   JoAnn (12/2/2007 3:31 p.m.)
        
        I have nothing to say which will amaze the entire room   Robbin (12/2/2007 1:17 p.m.)
        
        Very interesting thoughts to ponder -- thanks all! [nfm]   Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 9:12 a.m.)
  - I always saw this as Tifah (12/1/2007 7:14 p.m.)
  - Careless, but not heartless Tina T (12/1/2007 6:33 p.m.)
    - That's feasible JoAnn (12/1/2007 7:14 p.m.)

Ch. 48 - Julia LaurieC (12/1/2007 1:11 p.m.)

Julia was smarter... Moni (12/1/2007 8:38 p.m.)
She was 'less the darling...' Mandy N (12/1/2007 2:31 p.m.)
- I also think she eloped Crystal (12/1/2007 3:19 p.m.)
  - It's not such a bad thing for her JoAnn (12/1/2007 7:19 p.m.)
    - Oh I agree Crystal (12/1/2007 8:31 p.m.)
      - Was this because she still...   Moni (12/1/2007 9:09 p.m.)
        
        maybe not HC   Crystal (12/1/2007 10:58 p.m.)
        
        I agree - not HC   JoAnn (12/2/2007 12:16 a.m.)
        
        Any thoughts on this...   Moni (12/2/2007 12:58 a.m.)
        
        Okay, this is what I get   JoAnn (12/2/2007 1:23 a.m.)
        
        Isn't it weird...   Moni (12/2/2007 2:20 a.m.)
Julia's marriage propects Frances Anne (12/1/2007 2:20 p.m.)
- I do not doubt Julia had some thoughts along the lines... Adrian (12/1/2007 8:04 p.m.)
  - I wish we could see the scene... Tina T (12/1/2007 8:37 p.m.)
    - LOL! Me too! nfm Elbè (12/2/2007 2:28 p.m.)

Ch. 48 - First inclination? LaurieC (12/1/2007 11:45 a.m.)

I read this as a reference to Mary and Edmund Christopher (12/1/2007 12:23 p.m.)
What I think it means Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 12:19 p.m.)
- Perfect sense! Thank you! *nfm* LaurieC (12/1/2007 12:22 p.m.)

The End of MP Rebecca K (12/1/2007 5:27 a.m.)

My opinions of MP have undergone a complete revolution Tina T (12/2/2007 12:54 p.m.)
I enjoyed this group read very much. Lila (12/1/2007 11:30 p.m.)
- Would you have felt... Moni (12/2/2007 3:59 a.m.)
Isn't it great JoAnn (12/1/2007 7:25 p.m.)
My opinion about MP underwent.... Reeba (12/1/2007 1:53 p.m.)
- What surprised me was that Sir Thomas felt obliged... Adrian (12/1/2007 8:30 p.m.)

E.N.(soft)S.U.T.H. Elbè (11/30/2007 10:33 p.m.)

Fanny and Edmund's match, more than any other JA... Adrian (12/1/2007 10:50 a.m.)
- Ch. 48 - Edmund's earnest pursuit LaurieC (12/1/2007 11:21 a.m.)
  - And Fanny's response Ramya (12/1/2007 3:45 p.m.)
    - Let no one presume Fanny's feelings for Edmund. Reeba (12/1/2007 8:05 p.m.)
      - Totally agree;-) (nfm) Moni (12/2/2007 2:40 a.m.)
Be careful what you pray for... Tarn (12/1/2007 1:51 a.m.)
- Defending Edmund Connie (12/2/2007 1:48 a.m.)
  - Good Defense/Edmund's Blindness BarbaraB (12/2/2007 11:43 a.m.)
  - Me too! ;-) Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 9:00 a.m.)
  - Great post Connie! Loved it! nfm (;D) Robbin (12/2/2007 4:16 a.m.)
- What bothers me BarbaraB (12/1/2007 10:48 p.m.)
  - There is this talk of *eyes* - light and dark. Reeba (12/2/2007 12:43 p.m.)
    - This was interesting... Elbè (12/2/2007 2:05 p.m.)
  - This was my initial feeling too Elbè (12/2/2007 9:43 a.m.)
- Perceptive Henry??? When, where how ?? ;-) Reeba (12/1/2007 8:23 p.m.)
  - Not perceptive, but appreciative... Lila (12/1/2007 11:00 p.m.)
  - Ironic that Maria unconsiciously adopted Fanny's... Adrian (12/1/2007 8:35 p.m.)
    - lol... good point! nfm Tina T (12/1/2007 9:07 p.m.)
- This is so interesting to me JoAnn (12/1/2007 7:53 p.m.)
- LOL. I'm glad you said this Tifah (12/1/2007 5:00 p.m.)
- Edmund has two faults.... Rachel G (12/1/2007 3:06 p.m.)
  - Edmund may not hear her and may give bad advice... Adrian (12/1/2007 8:45 p.m.)
    - Very well said, Adrian... Moni (12/2/2007 2:57 a.m.)
  - This reminds me Tifah (12/1/2007 5:05 p.m.)
    - So true--good point! (;D) nfm Robbin (12/1/2007 5:45 p.m.)
- Henry attentive? Crystal (12/1/2007 12:36 p.m.)
  - Henry in Portsmouth was very attentive Tina T (12/1/2007 6:46 p.m.)
    - He was but Crystal (12/1/2007 8:43 p.m.)
      - I agree, he was wrong to keep pursuing Fanny...   Tina T (12/1/2007 9:02 p.m.)
        
        Henry’s relentless courtship   Robbin (12/1/2007 11:37 p.m.)
        
        Oh no, I'm not blaming Fanny at all   Tina T (12/2/2007 11:03 a.m.)
        
        At the risk of repeating myself   Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 8:44 a.m.)
        
        Power and responsibility   Robbin (12/2/2007 2:18 p.m.)
        
        I think Henry knows the meaning of the word no   Crystal (12/1/2007 11:30 p.m.)
        
        That's it--I agree. (;D) nfm   Robbin (12/1/2007 11:40 p.m.)
- Dear Edmund Rebecca K (12/1/2007 5:18 a.m.)
  - I'll second that! (nfm) JoAnn (12/1/2007 7:59 p.m.)
  - Edmund and Fanny.... Mandy N (12/1/2007 1:14 p.m.)
    - Absolutely!;-D (nfm) Moni (12/2/2007 2:59 a.m.)
- As attentive and perceptive as Henry? Ramya (12/1/2007 3:59 a.m.)
  - Edmund as a suitable suitor for the times marianna (12/1/2007 4:28 a.m.)
    - Tepid feelings? ;) Ramya (12/1/2007 3:35 p.m.)

Do I have this right? Elbè (11/30/2007 10:22 p.m.)

Does HC see himself... Moni (12/2/2007 3:51 a.m.)
My take on the anger Tifah (12/1/2007 1:29 p.m.)
Anger management Robbin (12/1/2007 3:30 a.m.)
- My Interpretation... BarbaraB (12/1/2007 9:43 p.m.)
- Very true, but I had chp 30 at the back of my mind Elbè (12/1/2007 9:30 p.m.)
- Henry's reform Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 12:13 p.m.)
  - Reforming Henry Robbin (12/2/2007 3:23 a.m.)
    - I shall not beat you Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:02 a.m.)
  - Redemption BarbaraB (12/1/2007 9:27 p.m.)
  - Good point. Connie (12/1/2007 8:55 p.m.)
  - I hadn't caught this before JoAnn (12/1/2007 8:23 p.m.)
  - I agree! Tifah (12/1/2007 1:02 p.m.)
Ch. 48 - Anger on Fanny's account LaurieC (11/30/2007 11:11 p.m.)

Ch. 48 - Mr. Rushworth LaurieC (11/30/2007 9:25 p.m.)

Selfish passion x three Robbin (12/1/2007 2:39 a.m.)
- Blaming Mr Rushworth. Rachel G (12/1/2007 12:49 p.m.)
  - Stupidity—a capital, capital offense Robbin (12/1/2007 9:23 p.m.)
  - He's not just stupid Tifah (12/1/2007 4:24 p.m.)
  - Stringing Mr R along Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 2:29 p.m.)
  - The indignities of stupudity. Reeba (12/1/2007 2:23 p.m.)
    - Only with loss of his honour, I think. Rachel G (12/1/2007 2:41 p.m.)

Foreshadowing LaurieC (11/30/2007 9:04 p.m.)

Maria and unrequited love Connie (12/1/2007 8:41 p.m.)
Briliant... Moni (12/1/2007 8:06 p.m.)
Good catch, Laurie -- I never noticed that one! [nfm] Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 10:13 a.m.)
"on one side no affection, on the other no judgment" Graciela (12/1/2007 1:00 a.m.)
- I think so... Robbin (12/1/2007 2:08 a.m.)
  - Would love to be a fly on the wall BarbaraB (12/1/2007 8:43 p.m.)
    - More leisure time to ponder Sterne LaurieC (12/2/2007 11:29 a.m.)
      - Not to defend Maria yet, Mandy N (12/2/2007 12:17 p.m.)
      - Very interesting Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 12:11 p.m.)
  - LOL! Rebecca K (12/1/2007 5:31 a.m.)

Ch. 48 - Fanny's happiness LaurieC (11/30/2007 8:46 p.m.)

Echoing Ch 28 Luc (11/30/2007 10:30 p.m.)
- *Cruel to be kind* sort of thing, I think. Reeba (12/1/2007 2:17 p.m.)
- I see it as Fannie (12/1/2007 1:25 p.m.)

Ch. 48 - Sir Thomas and Mrs. Norris LaurieC (11/30/2007 8:29 p.m.)

I think the bitter remembrance is.... Reeba (12/1/2007 2:10 p.m.)
- What I find interesting Elbè (12/1/2007 10:58 p.m.)
Sir Thomas- bitter remembrances. Mandy N (12/1/2007 12:28 p.m.)

Clinging to Fanny - a segue into the final chapter LaurieC (11/30/2007 8:17 p.m.)

It is delightful! Robbin (12/1/2007 3:46 a.m.)
- I wondered the same thing, LOL;-0 (nfm) Moni (12/1/2007 8:04 p.m.)
- LOL! Lady B and pug. Reeba (12/1/2007 2:03 p.m.)

Is Pug a boy or a girl? The mystery deepens! Christopher (11/30/2007 6:42 p.m.)

Lady B has no idea what gender pug is??? Elbè (11/30/2007 7:31 p.m.)
- Pug's litter Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 9:09 p.m.)
  - Agree, pug is mentioned... Moni (12/1/2007 8:01 p.m.)
  - Lady Bertram & Pug. Mandy N (12/1/2007 1:37 p.m.)
    - Oh, he leaves once the sofa! (Along with his owner) Graciela (12/1/2007 5:33 p.m.)
      - I can just picture it...   Tina T (12/1/2007 7:48 p.m.)
        
        What will she do...   Elbè (12/1/2007 10:54 p.m.)
        
        LOL! [nfm]   Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 8:16 p.m.)
  - Agree about the stud rights, but I have difficulty picturing... Adrian (12/1/2007 10:30 a.m.)

Ch. 47 - Lady Bertram's & Sir Thomas' troubles LaurieC (11/30/2007 10:42 a.m.)

Sir Thomas revealed. Reeba (11/30/2007 5:48 p.m.)
Tom's actions had not been too angelic Elbè (11/30/2007 3:57 p.m.)
- His faults were of a different nature Tifah (11/30/2007 5:47 p.m.)
That was Edmund's understanding Adrian (11/30/2007 12:54 p.m.)
- Lady B a changed woman? Elbè (11/30/2007 4:11 p.m.)

Ch. 47 - Mary and Edmund's last meeting LaurieC (11/29/2007 11:26 p.m.)

He also accepts he was 'blind' and... Reeba (11/30/2007 5:42 p.m.)
I think this episode is where modern readers Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 9:34 a.m.)
Edmund deceived. Rachel G (11/29/2007 11:54 p.m.)
- I agree LaurieC (11/30/2007 12:04 a.m.)
  - yes... Ra (11/30/2007 7:53 a.m.)
    - Honesty or being Mary.... Mandy N (11/30/2007 10:43 a.m.)
      - IMO, this is the fairest way... Moni (12/2/2007 8:31 a.m.)
      - Mary vs. Lucy Steele   Tifah (11/30/2007 5:57 p.m.)
        
        Mary has the luxury of choice, so why?   Mia I. (11/30/2007 6:51 p.m.)
        
        Yeah, good question   Tifah (11/30/2007 7:59 p.m.)
        
        Mary's motivation   Robbin (11/30/2007 9:19 p.m.)
        
        Henry marrying "beneath" himself   Tifah (12/1/2007 4:44 a.m.)
        
        Mary is arrogant…   Robbin (12/1/2007 4:15 p.m.)
        
        Why Mary is pleased   Connie (12/1/2007 8:34 p.m.)
        
        Marrying up or down   Robbin (12/2/2007 12:13 a.m.)
        
        Interesting interpretation   Tina T (12/1/2007 9:24 p.m.)
        
        I didn't necessarily mean Henry would disapprove,   Connie (12/2/2007 2:55 a.m.)
        
        Oh! Pardon me, I was unclear   Tifah (12/1/2007 4:37 p.m.)
        
        Fanny versus the Miss Bertrams   Robbin (12/1/2007 9:54 p.m.)

Ch. 47 - Easter in Twickenham LaurieC (11/29/2007 11:11 p.m.)

Significance of Easter? Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 9:44 a.m.)
- Easter is also a celebration of when something considered... Adrian (11/30/2007 12:38 p.m.)
  - Good catch Adrian! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/30/2007 5:13 p.m.)

Ch. 47 - Mrs. Norris, an altered creature LaurieC (11/29/2007 10:33 p.m.)

Well a *snort* line was all.. Reeba (11/30/2007 5:32 p.m.)
Mrs Norris, like Mary... Moni (11/30/2007 8:17 a.m.)
I kind of feel sorry for Mrs Norris Luc (11/29/2007 11:19 p.m.)
- She's a determined meddler... Mandy N (11/30/2007 12:56 a.m.)
  - I agree with you Luc (11/30/2007 9:41 p.m.)
  - Does Mrs. Norris love Maria? Mia I. (11/30/2007 2:17 a.m.)
    - To the best of her ability ;-) nfm Reeba (11/30/2007 5:33 p.m.)
    - Think Mrs Norris did care for Maria Tracy W (11/30/2007 11:21 a.m.)
      - Your citation brings me closer than I have ever been... Adrian (11/30/2007 12:35 p.m.)
    - I agree that it's more projection than real affection Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 9:18 a.m.)
    - IMO, she wanted to be Lady... Moni (11/30/2007 8:21 a.m.)
    - Interesting question Deborah d'Bajor (11/30/2007 4:50 a.m.)
      - Mrs. Norris's motivations? Mia I. (11/30/2007 7:12 p.m.)

Who is the worse villain? Connie (11/29/2007 3:59 p.m.)

The Crawfords Luc (11/30/2007 12:29 a.m.)
- Does Mary follow the trends and values? Tracy W (11/30/2007 5:16 a.m.)
  - Mary is not discerning Luc (11/30/2007 10:18 p.m.)
    - If this is the case Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 10:06 a.m.)
      - Yes, I believe she would Luc (12/2/2007 12:36 a.m.)
        
        Thanks Luc, that makes sense to me [nfm] Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:15 a.m.)
      - Mary is no Lady Bertram… Robbin (12/1/2007 5:30 p.m.)
        
        Respect Joan Ellen (12/2/2007 10:23 a.m.)
  - Of course, throughout... Reeba (11/30/2007 3:49 p.m.)
  - I think this speech in chapter 22 is the closest she comes Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 9:07 a.m.)
  - Henry does not have much moral high ground to stand on Robbin (11/30/2007 7:05 a.m.)
- Their understanding is limited by their experiences and minds Mia I. (11/30/2007 4:51 a.m.)
  - Mary is like Mrs. Crawford Robbin (11/30/2007 7:29 a.m.)
The lesser of two weevils Robbin (11/29/2007 11:51 p.m.)
- LOL, Robbin! Another Patrick O'Brian fan! Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 8:52 a.m.)
- I think they are about equal Tracy W (11/30/2007 5:09 a.m.)
  - Henry does not have much moral high ground to stand on Robbin (11/30/2007 7:36 a.m.)
    - One point of curiousity Tracy W (11/30/2007 11:30 a.m.)
      - Did Mary want to marry a clergyman? Robbin (11/30/2007 8:23 p.m.)
      - My reading of these lines...   Reeba (11/30/2007 3:41 p.m.)
        
        I think she was sincerely...   Connie (11/30/2007 4:05 p.m.)
        
        Thanks...   Robbin (11/30/2007 8:47 p.m.)
- Brilliant! Mary and Henry are the same, except for gender Tifah (11/30/2007 1:09 a.m.)
  - Men, women and power... Lila (11/30/2007 1:33 p.m.)
- A few disjointed thoughts. Rachel G (11/30/2007 12:41 a.m.)
  - Total morality transplant? Robbin (11/30/2007 6:36 a.m.)
    - A few more thoughts. Rachel G (11/30/2007 1:48 p.m.)
      - Thanks for the further thoughts... Robbin (11/30/2007 8:42 p.m.)
I think you are right. Henry is a self-absorbed philanderer... Lila (11/29/2007 10:32 p.m.)
Destructive duo?... Moni (11/29/2007 9:55 p.m.)
- If they weren't brother and sister... Elbè (11/29/2007 10:03 p.m.)
  - Quite right! (nfm) Moni (11/30/2007 4:20 a.m.)
I'm inclined to agree JoAnn (11/29/2007 4:11 p.m.)
- Lacking scruples. Lila (11/29/2007 10:39 p.m.)
- nope, can't agree... Ra (11/29/2007 6:48 p.m.)

Maria's fall and her brothers' prospects Adrian (11/29/2007 12:59 p.m.)

I would assume Fannie (11/29/2007 3:00 p.m.)
- in p&p... Ra (11/29/2007 6:31 p.m.)

Ch. 46 - Home again LaurieC (11/28/2007 10:31 p.m.)

Edmund's sorrow more than Fanny's ????????? Reeba (11/30/2007 3:54 p.m.)
- Yes, he's still blind to Fanny's feelings Connie (11/30/2007 4:24 p.m.)
- Another SUTH for Edmund Jean (11/30/2007 4:13 p.m.)
  - I disagree that he was being selfish here. Connie (11/30/2007 4:30 p.m.)
    - I'm not sure I understand BarbaraB (12/1/2007 4:38 p.m.)
      - Fanny's suffering vs Edmund's Connie (12/1/2007 8:23 p.m.)
        
        Oh, okay BarbaraB (12/1/2007 8:48 p.m.)
    - Yes, Edmund is maddening.. Robbin (11/30/2007 8:56 p.m.)
This is a lovely lift... Moni (11/29/2007 9:48 p.m.)
The horrors of Portsmouth. Rachel G (11/29/2007 5:14 p.m.)
- In addition to what... Reeba (11/30/2007 3:27 p.m.)
- I agree with what others have said about Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 8:42 a.m.)
- Thanks everyone... Rachel G (11/29/2007 11:15 p.m.)
- A contrast to Mansfield. Mandy N (11/29/2007 11:10 p.m.)
- The walls, marked by her father's head... Christopher (11/29/2007 9:56 p.m.)
  - I imagine his hair was probably Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 8:32 a.m.)
    - I agree, but Robbin (11/30/2007 8:51 p.m.)
  - Hair oil? (nfm) Moni (11/29/2007 9:58 p.m.)
- I agree this piece of description... Moni (11/29/2007 9:42 p.m.)
- Just a reminder Elbè (11/29/2007 5:34 p.m.)
  - Agree - a reinforcement LaurieC (11/29/2007 7:04 p.m.)

Ch. 46 - Reactions to the news LaurieC (11/28/2007 10:20 p.m.)

It must be a sign... LaurieC (11/29/2007 11:34 a.m.)
Such an intense reaction Tracy W (11/29/2007 5:21 a.m.)
- Reactions to Tom's illness LaurieC (11/29/2007 10:05 a.m.)
  - I find it hard to believe Tracy W (11/30/2007 4:36 a.m.)
  - hmmm - still undecided Ra (11/29/2007 7:06 p.m.)
    - *particular affection* could mean... Reeba (11/30/2007 3:03 p.m.)
      - I like this interpretation of "particular". nfm Connie (11/30/2007 4:36 p.m.)
        
        I like this too Reeba... Robbin (11/30/2007 9:02 p.m.)
    - Tom and Fanny LaurieC (11/29/2007 7:26 p.m.)
      - On the other hand...   LaurieC (11/29/2007 7:36 p.m.)
        
        But William & Fanny   nan duval (11/29/2007 8:08 p.m.)
        
        And William wrote long letters   Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 8:27 a.m.)
  - Death is inevitable. Connie (11/29/2007 3:33 p.m.)
    - heartless, heartless...and rather Marylike for Fanny! nfm Ra (11/30/2007 5:42 a.m.)
      - Yes, I know I sounded hearltess...   Connie (11/30/2007 4:50 p.m.)
        
        No, you were not heartless IMO. I understand...   Reeba (11/30/2007 5:23 p.m.)
        
        A sort of living social death....,   Mandy N (11/30/2007 9:42 p.m.)
        
        Maybe a good deal worse than that?   Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 9:54 a.m.)
        
        A juster appointment for Henry   Robbin (12/1/2007 4:53 p.m.)
        
        I read it as meaning the former...   Christopher (12/1/2007 5:02 p.m.)
        
        Yes, that's my reading too {nfm}   Joan Ellen (12/1/2007 7:29 p.m.)
        
        I can buy that. Thanks you two. (;D) nfm   Robbin (12/1/2007 9:41 p.m.)
        
        I agree also...great discussion, both of you! nfm (;D)   Robbin (11/30/2007 9:05 p.m.)

Ch. 46 - Henry has run off with Maria... LaurieC (11/28/2007 10:04 p.m.)

Critical of Fanny’s choice Robbin (11/29/2007 1:58 a.m.)
- Ironic really... Deborah d'Bajor (11/29/2007 4:22 a.m.)
  - A real-life Henry & Fanny -- what might have been (sort of) Joan Ellen (11/29/2007 9:45 a.m.)
    - I may have been a little unfair to Henry Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 8:03 a.m.)
    - ...and a contemporary Jane reader. Mandy N (11/30/2007 6:58 a.m.)
      - Perhaps that's the reason... Reeba (11/30/2007 2:41 p.m.)
    - Sad, sad, sad! Connie (11/29/2007 3:16 p.m.)
    - This is marvelous! Thank you Joan Ellen. Lila (11/29/2007 12:35 p.m.)
  - Mary sabotaged her own plans Robbin (11/29/2007 6:13 a.m.)
    - I never thought of this angle before-- Connie (11/29/2007 3:20 p.m.)

Unusual silence – Chapter 45 Robbin (11/28/2007 7:39 p.m.)

Yes, very suspicious. Reeba (11/29/2007 6:41 p.m.)
- More details or examination... Moni (11/29/2007 9:57 p.m.)
  - Silence....or hush. Mandy N (11/30/2007 9:54 a.m.)
    - I like this--interesting reading. (;D) nfm Robbin (11/30/2007 9:00 p.m.)

Theme of impending death Tifah (11/28/2007 3:03 p.m.)

Weakness of character... Moni (11/29/2007 9:39 a.m.)
- Little Mary's death. Reeba (11/29/2007 6:59 p.m.)
  - Agree, and it's strange we... Moni (11/30/2007 4:46 a.m.)
    - We aren't told of the birth of Charles and Betsy, either Graciela (12/1/2007 5:06 p.m.)
      - Yes, I thought it was good for Fanny... Moni (12/1/2007 10:10 p.m.)
      - Since Betsy is her god daughter, do they share a name? nfm Elbè (12/1/2007 9:38 p.m.)
        
        Good question--I don't know the answer though. (;D) nfm Robbin (12/1/2007 11:46 p.m.)
    - Agree BarbaraB (11/30/2007 4:05 p.m.)
- I have heard it said that JA frequently presents an event... Adrian (11/29/2007 1:01 p.m.)
  - also the Dowager Tifah (12/1/2007 4:53 a.m.)
  - It certainly does, Adrian;-) (nfm) Moni (11/30/2007 4:48 a.m.)

Usefulness, importance, and value - Chapter 45 Robbin (11/28/2007 12:05 p.m.)

Ch. 47 - More on usefulness LaurieC (11/29/2007 10:49 p.m.)
- Comforting Lady Bertram.... Mandy N (11/30/2007 1:57 a.m.)
Good gracious! Fanny and Mrs. Norris... Connie (11/28/2007 4:32 p.m.)
- *Long ago* LOL! Connie :-D Reeba (11/29/2007 7:08 p.m.)
- Motivation Robbin (11/28/2007 5:03 p.m.)

Ch. 45 - Recipe for Disaster LaurieC (11/28/2007 9:55 a.m.)

I agree, Robbin (11/28/2007 1:14 p.m.)

Edmund redeemed, saved, still knuckleheaded - Chapter 45 Robbin (11/28/2007 9:40 a.m.)

Yes. nan duval (11/28/2007 3:16 p.m.)

Ch. 45 - Mary's letter LaurieC (11/27/2007 10:09 p.m.)

Edmund, the attendant, supporter, cheerer of a suffering brother Reeba (11/29/2007 6:20 p.m.)
Let's face it, this letter is vile... Moni (11/27/2007 11:31 p.m.)
- Not only is it vile, JoAnn (11/29/2007 12:44 a.m.)
  - And transparently ambitious... Moni (11/29/2007 7:46 a.m.)
A (modest) analysis of Mary's letter. Graciela (11/27/2007 10:45 p.m.)
- What goes around comes around. nan duval (11/28/2007 2:54 p.m.)
  - Cant and indifference. Rachel G (11/28/2007 6:41 p.m.)
    - I hate to throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings Joan Ellen (11/29/2007 9:13 a.m.)
      - That's a very apt quotation.   Rachel G (11/29/2007 1:04 p.m.)
        
        She feels genuine affection for Fanny IMO. nfm   Connie (11/29/2007 3:04 p.m.)
        
        ???   Rachel G (11/29/2007 4:50 p.m.)
        
        Lady Bertram exerts herself for Fanny...   Connie (11/30/2007 5:23 p.m.)
        
        Welcoming Fanny...   Mandy N (11/29/2007 10:04 p.m.)
        
        I think it is when...   Reeba (11/29/2007 5:28 p.m.)
        
        Hmm..   Rachel G (11/29/2007 11:36 p.m.)
    - Indifference in both households Robbin (11/29/2007 1:25 a.m.)
      - Another example of indefference. Reeba (11/29/2007 6:27 p.m.)
        
        Value of girls vs boys Elbè (11/29/2007 6:54 p.m.)
      - I had the same thought... Connie (11/29/2007 3:08 p.m.)
        
        MP as Heaven Robbin (11/29/2007 6:52 p.m.)
    - I think the implication, though, JoAnn (11/29/2007 12:26 a.m.)
  - Foreshadowed...twice! Joan Ellen (11/28/2007 4:13 p.m.)
    - Yes, and Yates "mourned" for the play, not the grandma. Connie (11/28/2007 4:16 p.m.)
  - Good catch! Connie (11/28/2007 4:03 p.m.)
- Brute Robbin (11/28/2007 9:08 a.m.)
- Good reading... Moni (11/28/2007 3:46 a.m.)
  - A mercenary letter. Mandy N (11/28/2007 10:33 a.m.)
    - Ch. 45 - Bribing a physician LaurieC (11/28/2007 10:56 a.m.)
      - Laurie, I interpreted it as you did   Joan Ellen (11/28/2007 2:22 p.m.)
        
        I didn't want to think she was...   Moni (11/29/2007 7:56 a.m.)
        
        The Crawfords are all at sea   Joan Ellen (11/29/2007 9:05 a.m.)
        
        I agree with you, but...   Moni (11/29/2007 9:24 a.m.)
        
        Differences of situation   Joan Ellen (11/30/2007 8:17 a.m.)
        
        Fair enough;-) (nfm)   Moni (11/30/2007 8:57 a.m.)
        
        Excesses of emotion   Robbin (11/30/2007 12:14 a.m.)
        
        Further on this...   Moni (11/30/2007 4:27 a.m.)
        
        Perfectly clear now! I agree too. Thanks. (;D) nfm   Robbin (11/30/2007 6:33 a.m.)
        
        What may prevent Sir Edmund...   Mandy N (11/28/2007 10:26 p.m.)
        
        But that is doing a great deal of good   Crystal (11/28/2007 11:47 p.m.)
        
        So did I.   Connie (11/28/2007 4:15 p.m.)
        
        A great thing   LaurieC (11/28/2007 3:07 p.m.)
        
        Agreed -- most illuminating! [nfm]   Joan Ellen (11/28/2007 4:05 p.m.)
      - Everyone thinks like me   Robbin (11/28/2007 12:47 p.m.)
        
        I wasn't 100% sure about Mary's meaning of that expression   Graciela (11/29/2007 10:20 p.m.)
        
        Dubious joke   Robbin (11/30/2007 1:52 a.m.)
        
        Getting rid of Tom   Graciela (11/30/2007 11:34 p.m.)
        
        Oh dear! Mary has pure reasons...   Robbin (12/1/2007 1:33 a.m.)
- Wow! Great post... Lila (11/28/2007 2:21 a.m.)
  - Edmund might be kinder to Fanny (financially) than... Adrian (11/28/2007 12:00 p.m.)
- Ch. 45 - Foolish precipitation LaurieC (11/27/2007 11:06 p.m.)
  - Would this in any way mean... Moni (11/28/2007 12:42 a.m.)
    - Mary's dilemma LaurieC (11/28/2007 10:31 a.m.)
      - Yes, and what irks me... Moni (11/29/2007 7:54 a.m.)

What exactly ails Tom? Elbè (11/27/2007 10:06 p.m.)

That could be, and more... LaurieC (11/27/2007 10:17 p.m.)
- My differential: (long) nan duval (11/28/2007 8:54 p.m.)
  - Thanks, Nan - great information Joan Ellen (11/29/2007 9:15 a.m.)
  - Fascinating! Tifah (11/28/2007 10:53 p.m.)
- 'He thought so ill of himself...' Mandy N (11/28/2007 9:06 a.m.)
  - Very interesting... Moni (11/28/2007 9:33 a.m.)
    - Why wouldn't they treat him thus. nan duval (11/28/2007 8:59 p.m.)

Ch. 45 - Edmund was all in all... LaurieC (11/27/2007 8:34 p.m.)

Brothers Tifah (11/28/2007 2:42 p.m.)
- I noticed this, too JoAnn (11/29/2007 12:50 a.m.)
- IIRC There is no evidence that Edmund was ever told... Adrian (11/28/2007 6:18 p.m.)
  - Hm, interesting! Tifah (11/28/2007 6:26 p.m.)
    - Seems like he might have figured it out Crystal (11/28/2007 7:34 p.m.)
      - Edmund declines to think ill of people. Adrian (11/29/2007 1:22 p.m.)
Yes, this is... Moni (11/28/2007 9:46 a.m.)
Ch. 45 - An uncharitable thought LaurieC (11/27/2007 8:44 p.m.)
- I don't know Crystal (11/27/2007 9:23 p.m.)
  - Sir Edmund LaurieC (11/27/2007 9:53 p.m.)
  - Re: Ch. 45 - An uncharitable thought Lee Ann (11/27/2007 9:31 p.m.)
    - Ok, thanks Crystal (11/28/2007 12:28 a.m.)
    - And Mary did try for Tom first... Moni (11/27/2007 10:11 p.m.)

Rational beings - Chapter 44 Robbin (11/27/2007 5:31 p.m.)

As a bystander... Moni (11/28/2007 4:09 a.m.)
To tire even the friendship of a Fanny! A good FUP ;-) Reeba (11/27/2007 5:44 p.m.)
- It would make a good FUP. (:D) nfm Robbin (11/28/2007 5:46 p.m.)
- Her reaction to another woman Connie (11/28/2007 3:51 p.m.)

Ch. 44 - Lady Bertram, letter writing addict LaurieC (11/26/2007 8:54 p.m.)

Playing at being frightened. Reeba (11/27/2007 5:31 p.m.)
I was surprised by Lady Bertram's being such a letter writer Joan Ellen (11/27/2007 8:35 a.m.)
- Lady Bertram's indolence Tifah (11/28/2007 2:20 p.m.)
- Lady Betram- letters to Fanny. Mandy N (11/27/2007 12:27 p.m.)
- Mrs. Norris - also busy canvassing? LaurieC (11/27/2007 10:51 a.m.)
  - Disapproving Mrs Norris. Rachel G (11/27/2007 11:46 a.m.)
Group Read Question Betsy Moon (11/27/2007 8:28 a.m.)
- We'll make an announcement LaurieC (11/27/2007 9:54 a.m.)

Ch. 44 - The Rushworths of Wimpole Street LaurieC (11/26/2007 8:39 p.m.)

From the snippets... Moni (11/27/2007 7:24 a.m.)

Sympathy with Fanny Tifah (11/26/2007 8:33 p.m.)

Yes, "suspense must be submitted to..." :-D *nfm* LaurieC (11/26/2007 8:40 p.m.)

Ch. 44 - At Mrs. Fraser's party LaurieC (11/26/2007 8:26 p.m.)

Maria's coldness. Mandy N (11/27/2007 2:11 p.m.)
- And we all know Patricia N (11/27/2007 4:56 p.m.)
  - LOL! So true ;-) nfm Reeba (11/27/2007 5:21 p.m.)

Ch. 44 - Edmund's letter LaurieC (11/26/2007 8:10 p.m.)

I think Edmund's wish nan duval (11/26/2007 9:17 p.m.)
- Anguished Edmund. Mandy N (11/27/2007 1:37 p.m.)
  - I think he does intend proposing... Reeba (11/27/2007 5:18 p.m.)
    - Dreading possible rejection... Moni (11/28/2007 3:41 a.m.)
    - If this part of the letter didn't show so much suffering in Edmun nan duval (11/27/2007 8:00 p.m.)

Query about mutton Robbin (11/26/2007 3:59 p.m.)

' Taking his mutton' Mandy N (11/27/2007 3:54 a.m.)
- Ignorance of domestic details Robbin (11/27/2007 5:49 p.m.)
  - Being Henry... Mandy N (11/29/2007 12:11 p.m.)
    - The attentive landlord role Robbin (11/30/2007 12:25 a.m.)
      - Thanks :-) (nfm) Mandy N (11/30/2007 5:27 a.m.)
  - Henry's life with Fanny.. Lila (11/28/2007 1:54 a.m.)
Crabbe's Tales VII... Moni (11/27/2007 3:31 a.m.)
- Good catch... Robbin (11/27/2007 3:46 a.m.)
  - No problems;-)) (nfm) Moni (11/27/2007 3:48 a.m.)
I can't remember... Reeba (11/26/2007 4:14 p.m.)

Edmund had not yet spoken. Endless conjecture. Reeba (11/26/2007 10:23 a.m.)

Mary, still interested in helping Henry Robbin (11/27/2007 3:42 a.m.)
- I agree what she said... Reeba (11/27/2007 4:44 a.m.)
  - My take on her letter is that nan duval (11/27/2007 8:59 p.m.)
I don't know for sure, but I think... Lila (11/27/2007 2:17 a.m.)
- I like your idea that... Reeba (11/27/2007 4:29 a.m.)
  - Conforming to others' expectations Connie (11/27/2007 11:31 p.m.)
    - Fitting in. Rachel G (11/28/2007 11:36 a.m.)
      - Hmmm. Mary the chameleon. I like that. nfm Lila (11/28/2007 9:18 p.m.)
Ch. 43 - Fanny's reaction to Mary's letter LaurieC (11/26/2007 10:57 a.m.)
- WE have a party... Rachel G (11/26/2007 12:06 p.m.)
  - I agree mischief making! (;D) nfm Robbin (11/27/2007 3:28 a.m.)
  - I don't understand her at all... Moni (11/27/2007 12:39 a.m.)
    - Ch. 43 - St. George's, Hanover Square LaurieC (11/27/2007 10:20 a.m.)
      - I too had been wondering... Reeba (11/27/2007 5:50 p.m.)
      - I should not like to be tempted   Joan Ellen (11/27/2007 2:35 p.m.)
        
        But why would she say she is not tempted to marry Edmund?   Lila (11/27/2007 9:04 p.m.)
        
        Temptation   LaurieC (11/27/2007 2:53 p.m.)
        
        I don't know what to make of it...   Moni (11/27/2007 8:54 p.m.)
      - Re. St George's Rachel G (11/27/2007 11:36 a.m.)
    - To make Fanny jealous ? Mandy N (11/27/2007 5:14 a.m.)
      - In Chapter 36 there is...   Moni (11/27/2007 8:58 a.m.)
        
        Good points, Moni.   Reeba (11/27/2007 9:49 a.m.)
        
        Well said;-) (nfm)   Moni (11/27/2007 8:58 p.m.)
    - Could Mary want Henry to see the Rushworths again to see... Lila (11/27/2007 2:08 a.m.)
      - Good call... Moni (11/27/2007 3:23 a.m.)

Ch. 43 - Love is in the air LaurieC (11/25/2007 9:36 p.m.)

Ch. 43 - And Edmund is in Mary's head... LaurieC (11/25/2007 9:49 p.m.)
- Yes, what is she thinking?... Moni (11/26/2007 3:18 a.m.)
  - I'm surprised BarbaraB (11/26/2007 7:24 p.m.)
    - The need to know list Joan Ellen (11/27/2007 8:15 a.m.)
    - What about Edmund himself. Reeba (11/27/2007 4:55 a.m.)
      - Silent, brooding Edmund.   Rachel G (11/27/2007 6:30 a.m.)
        
        Agree, with both posts;-) (nfm)   Moni (11/28/2007 9:48 a.m.)
        
        My 2nd quote is from Ch.9. nfm   Rachel G (11/27/2007 6:36 a.m.)
    - Second son Tifah (11/26/2007 7:50 p.m.)
  - Ashamed Robbin (11/26/2007 5:31 a.m.)
    - Edmund's gentleman-like appearance... Mandy N (11/26/2007 1:09 p.m.)
      - Perhaps Mary's friends would tease her since, with... Adrian (11/26/2007 1:16 p.m.)
    - I agree she is ashamed or embarrassed Joan Ellen (11/26/2007 8:17 a.m.)
      - Maybe something along the lines of nan duval (11/26/2007 7:38 p.m.)
        
        LOL! :-) [nfm] Joan Ellen (11/26/2007 8:18 p.m.)
    - He can't leave can he?... Moni (11/26/2007 6:50 a.m.)

Final week of the group read - can you believe it? LaurieC (11/25/2007 9:25 p.m.)

Oh no! Elbè (11/26/2007 5:26 p.m.)
- I know that feeling, Elbè :-) Reeba (11/27/2007 5:02 a.m.)
  - Totally agree;-) (nfm) Moni (11/28/2007 9:49 a.m.)
Oh dear Lisa Dalrymple (11/26/2007 1:10 p.m.)
Feels like I am having a long pleasant walk :-) nfm Reeba (11/26/2007 9:44 a.m.)
Marathon... Moni (11/26/2007 3:06 a.m.)
- I agree Moni... Robbin (11/26/2007 6:10 a.m.)
  - My bright idea... LaurieC (11/26/2007 9:42 a.m.)
    - Capital idea--chapter a day really helps keep one focused![nfm] Joan Ellen (11/27/2007 8:17 a.m.)
    - An MP journey. Mandy N (11/27/2007 2:29 a.m.)
    - It was a bright and a great idea... Robbin (11/27/2007 2:27 a.m.)
    - And it was a bright idea... Moni (11/26/2007 10:03 p.m.)
    - Bright ideas BarbaraB (11/26/2007 7:08 p.m.)

Who is richer? Crawford or Rushworth? Mary Ellen (11/25/2007 12:58 a.m.)

Wimpole Street... Moni (11/26/2007 3:44 a.m.)
- It certainly was. JulieW (11/26/2007 5:06 a.m.)
  - Capital gorgeous! and a funny trick... Moni (11/26/2007 6:39 a.m.)
    - Good catch Moni--lookes like MP to me too! (;D) nfm Robbin (11/26/2007 1:36 p.m.)
      - LOL! ;-) (nfm) Moni (11/26/2007 11:31 p.m.)
  - This is so nice... Robbin (11/26/2007 5:59 a.m.)
Henry was wittier and more affable... Lila (11/26/2007 12:23 a.m.)
Henry's fortune. Rachel G (11/25/2007 4:48 a.m.)
- But is this reliable LouAnn (11/25/2007 7:39 p.m.)
  - What is unreliable about the 4,000 a year? Robbin (11/25/2007 8:38 p.m.)
    - nothing on the face of it LouAnn (11/26/2007 11:59 a.m.)
- the advantage is..... Clansi (11/25/2007 6:40 p.m.)

Ch. 41 & 42 - Henry and Fanny in Portsmouth LaurieC (11/25/2007 12:11 a.m.)

Fanny is dedicated and loyal… Robbin (11/26/2007 12:06 a.m.)
CH 41 The cure as bad as the complaint. Reeba (11/25/2007 3:36 p.m.)
Wavering? Tifah (11/25/2007 1:54 p.m.)
- Ch. 42 - Fanny's advice LaurieC (11/25/2007 7:03 p.m.)
  - A better guide in ourselves. Mandy N (11/26/2007 12:02 p.m.)
    - I also think it was very diplomatic... Reeba (11/26/2007 4:43 p.m.)
      - I had the same thought BarbaraB (11/26/2007 6:48 p.m.)
  - Yes, a wise piece of advice from Fanny, for anyone! :-) [nfm] Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 8:07 p.m.)
    - She seems a young sage;-) (nfm) Moni (11/25/2007 9:25 p.m.)
  - If Henry truly undestood Tifah (11/25/2007 7:29 p.m.)
    - All he's done nan duval (11/25/2007 8:00 p.m.)
      - I cannot disagree, however Tifah (11/25/2007 10:33 p.m.)
Teasing the reader Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 8:18 a.m.)
- That's a killer line.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/26/2007 4:20 a.m.)
  - Incredible line... Moni (11/26/2007 7:06 a.m.)
    - Fanny's perspective... Mandy N (11/26/2007 9:16 a.m.)
      - ;-)! )(nfm) Moni (11/29/2007 8:03 a.m.)

DH and Mrs. Norris Mary Ellen (11/25/2007 12:03 a.m.)

DH and Mrs. Norris William L (11/25/2007 5:17 p.m.)
Hi, Mary Ellen! LaurieC (11/25/2007 12:22 a.m.)

Ch. 42 - Henry offers his services, again LaurieC (11/24/2007 11:54 p.m.)

I think Henry's concern for Fanny's health Robbin (11/25/2007 11:54 p.m.)
Ch. 43 - Mary's post-script LaurieC (11/25/2007 10:01 p.m.)
His explanation to Susan Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 8:09 a.m.)
Itchy feet. Rachel G (11/25/2007 6:51 a.m.)
- Henry's travels LaurieC (11/25/2007 7:13 p.m.)
  - Suspicion... Moni (11/26/2007 3:29 a.m.)
    - If you can believe what Henry says Joan Ellen (11/26/2007 8:01 a.m.)
    - I thought Robbin (11/26/2007 5:05 a.m.)
      - Henry dining at the Crown. Rachel G (11/26/2007 8:31 a.m.)
        
        I wish JA had just said so... Moni (11/27/2007 3:41 a.m.)
      - LOL! Henry's radar working... Moni (11/26/2007 6:48 a.m.)
Super Henry!... Moni (11/25/2007 12:05 a.m.)
- The real test!! Reeba (11/25/2007 3:04 p.m.)
  - Excellent test Reeba! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/25/2007 9:20 p.m.)

Ch. 42 - Mrs. Price's Sunday respite LaurieC (11/24/2007 11:27 p.m.)

Ch. 42: Mrs. Price is the youngest sister! Graciela (11/25/2007 11:37 p.m.)
Agree and it was... Moni (11/24/2007 11:43 p.m.)
- Portsmouth in JA's time Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 7:50 a.m.)
  - It is funny to think! Elbè (11/26/2007 1:17 p.m.)
  - 'Once fairly in the dockyard,...' Mandy N (11/26/2007 3:08 a.m.)
  - Thank you for this. Rachel G (11/25/2007 5:30 p.m.)
  - Pictures of Fanny's Portsmouth. Rachel G (11/25/2007 2:01 p.m.)
    - Fanny's Portsmouth... Mandy N (11/26/2007 3:31 a.m.)
    - Thanks Rachel G--great pictures. (;D) nfm Robbin (11/25/2007 9:30 p.m.)
    - Great sites to add to my bookmarks--thanks, Rachel! :-) [nfm] Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 8:14 p.m.)
    - Here are some more pics ( long) JulieW (11/25/2007 3:39 p.m.)
      - Very informative ! Mandy N (11/26/2007 7:50 a.m.)
      - Thank you JulieW, a trememdous help... Moni (11/25/2007 9:37 p.m.)
      - Wonderful stuff--Thanks JulieW! (;D) nfm Robbin (11/25/2007 9:26 p.m.)
      - Love these pictures, thanks Julie! :-) [nfm] Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 8:16 p.m.)
      - Yummy! Rachel G (11/25/2007 5:39 p.m.)
      - Stand it? Elizabeth Sycamore (11/25/2007 4:39 p.m.)
      - Thank you Julie. This is very.. Reeba (11/25/2007 4:34 p.m.)
  - Thanks, very interesting artical. (;D) nfm Robbin (11/25/2007 8:54 a.m.)

Ch. 41 - Aiming well LaurieC (11/23/2007 10:20 p.m.)

LOL! Very appropriate song... Reeba (11/24/2007 1:04 p.m.)
- Something Stupid Lee Ann (11/24/2007 8:21 p.m.)
  - Ah, Thanks! Didn't know that :-) nfm Reeba (11/25/2007 5:19 p.m.)

Ch. 41 - Two objections? LaurieC (11/23/2007 10:02 p.m.)

Yes… Robbin (11/23/2007 11:43 p.m.)

Ch. 41 - Henry's visit to Portsmouth LaurieC (11/23/2007 9:51 p.m.)

And the good manners bring the... Moni (11/24/2007 3:33 a.m.)
New improved Henry? Robbin (11/24/2007 12:39 a.m.)
- It does look like he's changing doesn't it? Lila (11/25/2007 5:20 p.m.)
- Good points Joan Ellen (11/24/2007 8:11 a.m.)
  - I agree Robbin (11/25/2007 12:33 a.m.)
  - Indeed... Lee Ann (11/24/2007 8:25 p.m.)
  - Giving the devil his due. Reeba (11/24/2007 12:43 p.m.)
    - Exactly! Elbè (11/24/2007 7:32 p.m.)
      - Mixed motives   Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 7:30 a.m.)
        
        Video meliora proboque, deteriora sequor   Graciela (11/25/2007 10:39 p.m.)
        
        Agree with this (nfm)   Moni (11/29/2007 9:27 a.m.)
        
        Do think it's possible..   BarbaraB (11/25/2007 2:48 p.m.)
        
        There is a huge difference between Henry and Darcy...   Lila (11/25/2007 5:27 p.m.)
        
        Exactly   BarbaraB (11/25/2007 6:35 p.m.)
        
        Yes. I always hope at this point...   Reeba (11/25/2007 3:18 p.m.)
      - The conjurer and his willing assistant,,, Moni (11/24/2007 9:54 p.m.)
- Best behaviour... Moni (11/24/2007 2:23 a.m.)
  - Is Fanny's wish to see improvement unique to Henry? Adrian (11/24/2007 4:32 p.m.)
    - Totally so! I always... Moni (11/24/2007 9:25 p.m.)
    - Good point. Connie (11/24/2007 5:44 p.m.)
      - Fanny's concerns for Mary   Elbè (11/24/2007 7:44 p.m.)
        
        Self-preservation   Robbin (11/24/2007 11:46 p.m.)
        
        It's almost as if Fanny is under...   Moni (11/25/2007 12:00 a.m.)
        
        Balancing act   Robbin (11/25/2007 1:09 a.m.)
      - I agree with you both--great stuff! (;D) nfm Robbin (11/24/2007 6:55 p.m.)
  - What a wonderful way... Reeba (11/24/2007 1:02 p.m.)
    - It's like it's for his own... Moni (11/24/2007 9:29 p.m.)
  - Neat… Robbin (11/24/2007 10:19 a.m.)
    - ;-))! (nfm) Moni (11/24/2007 9:32 p.m.)

Ch.40 Mary's letter. Rachel G (11/23/2007 8:28 p.m.)

I suspect JA of a pun. Connie (11/24/2007 5:12 p.m.)
- Amazing! Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 7:08 a.m.)
Great post. Lila (11/23/2007 11:47 p.m.)
- Fanny writing to Mary. Rachel G (11/24/2007 10:18 a.m.)
- Elegant writing style, Mandy N (11/24/2007 12:34 a.m.)
  - Letter contents... Moni (11/24/2007 3:41 a.m.)
    - Missing her mark Joan Ellen (11/24/2007 7:48 a.m.)
      - Maria's being taken down a notch,   Connie (11/24/2007 5:58 p.m.)
        
        I agree   Robbin (11/24/2007 7:03 p.m.)
        
        Dumb as in unable to hear   Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 7:41 a.m.)
        
        In one ear and out the other sounds good. (;D) nfm   Robbin (11/25/2007 11:50 p.m.)
        
        I don't think Mary cares.   Lila (11/24/2007 10:44 p.m.)
        
        No doubt, no doubt…   Robbin (11/25/2007 12:07 a.m.)
        
        I wasn't shouting. :-) I just don't know....   Lila (11/25/2007 12:30 p.m.)
        
        Quite happily I think we are in complete agreement! (;D) nfm   Robbin (11/25/2007 8:47 p.m.)
        
        Mary probably cannot get why anyone could be as good as Fanny...   Elbè (11/24/2007 7:55 p.m.)
      - Fanny is so homesick that... Reeba (11/24/2007 1:22 p.m.)
        
        Want of news... Moni (11/27/2007 3:45 a.m.)
Writing style LaurieC (11/23/2007 9:35 p.m.)
- Letters in general... Moni (11/24/2007 4:03 a.m.)

Rebecca Reeba (11/23/2007 3:51 p.m.)

Love your post! Rebecca K (11/24/2007 8:21 p.m.)
- LOL :-D nfm Reeba (11/25/2007 3:18 p.m.)
Entertaining Post BarbaraB (11/23/2007 10:59 p.m.)
- My pleasure :-) nfm Reeba (11/25/2007 3:20 p.m.)
- So agree- Rebecca's hat. Mandy N (11/24/2007 1:54 a.m.)
  - I think all ... Reeba (11/25/2007 3:26 p.m.)

Wealth is luxurious and daring. LOL! Reeba (11/23/2007 11:44 a.m.)

Fanny's taste in reading LaurieC (11/23/2007 12:25 p.m.)
- Duty, escapism, and new found assertiveness Robbin (11/23/2007 3:40 p.m.)
  - A companion Connie (11/24/2007 6:09 p.m.)
    - Companion and Letter Robbin (11/25/2007 12:41 a.m.)
      - It does seem odd   Joan Ellen (11/25/2007 1:25 p.m.)
        
        I think Edmund is clueless   Robbin (11/25/2007 9:38 p.m.)
        
        I agree he's clueless about Fanny's being in love with him   Joan Ellen (11/26/2007 7:43 a.m.)
        
        Edmund is a bit of a puzzle   Robbin (11/26/2007 2:21 p.m.)
        
        Edmund also thinks she loves...   Moni (11/26/2007 3:55 a.m.)
        
        Good point...   Robbin (11/26/2007 5:43 a.m.)
        
        Exactly so! LOL! (nfm)   Moni (11/26/2007 6:56 a.m.)
        
        It would be improper for Edmund to write Fanny   Adrian (11/25/2007 5:59 p.m.)
        
        I doubt it   Ramya (11/25/2007 11:49 p.m.)
        
        Cousins writing...   Mandy N (11/26/2007 9:29 a.m.)
        
        I hate to admit it, but at least in Fanny and Edmund's case...   Adrian (11/26/2007 1:57 p.m.)
        
        At least Mary thinks that Edmund writes to Fanny   Graciela (11/27/2007 9:25 p.m.)
        
        Possibly this means...   Moni (11/27/2007 11:57 p.m.)
        
        No need to be at all.   Mandy N (11/27/2007 7:16 a.m.)
        
        Thanks! (nfm)   Adrian (11/27/2007 1:20 p.m.)
      - Well, most likely Edmund does not want to ask until... Adrian (11/25/2007 12:46 p.m.)
        
        Of course--you are right. Edmund is still not sure. (;D) nfm Robbin (11/25/2007 9:34 p.m.)
    - Well said... Moni (11/24/2007 9:39 p.m.)
  - Crabbe's Tales... Moni (11/24/2007 9:49 a.m.)
    - MP Tales Robbin (11/24/2007 6:50 p.m.)
      - Yes, totally agree... Moni (11/24/2007 10:47 p.m.)
        
        Pretty curly… Robbin (11/25/2007 1:00 a.m.)

Ch. 40 - Susan LaurieC (11/22/2007 9:23 p.m.)

A diamond in the rough. Lila (11/23/2007 11:33 p.m.)
- Please don’t give Mrs. Norris too much credit… Robbin (11/24/2007 10:15 a.m.)
  - But credit should go where credit is due... Lila (11/24/2007 11:00 p.m.)
    - Weighing the significance of talk against action Robbin (11/25/2007 11:44 p.m.)
      - We are almost in agreement, except for two points. :) Lila (11/26/2007 12:30 a.m.)
        
        I can agree with that... Robbin (11/26/2007 1:05 a.m.)
    - Mrs. Norris was persuasive LaurieC (11/24/2007 11:19 p.m.)
  - Agreed, and let us not forget that Mrs. Norris in large part... Adrian (11/24/2007 4:42 p.m.)
    - I don't think this is relevant to my point. Lila (11/24/2007 11:16 p.m.)
      - Character is always relevant in some way Robbin (11/25/2007 11:41 p.m.)
        
        I don't think we disagree in principle.... Lila (11/26/2007 12:08 a.m.)
      - Well... BarbaraB (11/25/2007 1:19 p.m.)
    - Good point to remember, I agree Robbin (11/24/2007 7:09 p.m.)
  - I agree with Robbin. Reeba (11/24/2007 12:22 p.m.)
Susan's potential.... Mandy N (11/23/2007 10:18 a.m.)
- I am happy to see that while... Reeba (11/23/2007 11:22 a.m.)
Susan and Fanny JoAnn (11/23/2007 8:26 a.m.)
- Mrs. Price's partiality for Betsey BarbaraB (11/23/2007 10:47 p.m.)
  - Is Betsey loved all the more... Moni (11/24/2007 2:44 a.m.)
    - That's a possibility LaurieC (11/24/2007 11:52 a.m.)
      - That's my thought too.   Reeba (11/24/2007 12:33 p.m.)
        
        Very plausible but...   BarbaraB (11/24/2007 5:33 p.m.)
        
        Didn't think of that...   Moni (11/24/2007 9:45 p.m.)
        
        But surely   Crystal (11/25/2007 1:06 a.m.)
        
        Perhaps she doesn't love her?...   Moni (11/25/2007 1:12 a.m.)
        
        My guess   nan duval (11/25/2007 3:45 p.m.)
        
        Tend to agree...   Moni (11/25/2007 9:42 p.m.)
        
        I was under the impression   JoAnn (12/2/2007 2:16 p.m.)

Ch. 40 - How Mrs. Rushworth looked LaurieC (11/22/2007 8:55 p.m.)

Maria's lack of composure... Mandy N (11/23/2007 9:22 a.m.)
Mrs Rushworth's reaction. Rachel G (11/23/2007 9:07 a.m.)
- I guess this won't change her mind... Elbè (11/23/2007 1:20 p.m.)
  - I imagine not ! LOL! Rachel G (11/23/2007 4:49 p.m.)
I'm sure there was anger, but also JoAnn (11/23/2007 8:31 a.m.)
I would guess a mixture of emotions Joan Ellen (11/23/2007 7:36 a.m.)

Have we been unnecessarily feeling sorry for Fanny... Reeba (11/22/2007 4:57 p.m.)

Perhaps a little... Lila (11/23/2007 3:36 p.m.)
- I agree there. Reeba (11/23/2007 4:01 p.m.)
Thanks all. I do think it's the... Reeba (11/23/2007 6:37 a.m.)
- The greener grass syndrome (S&S spoiler) Joan Ellen (11/23/2007 7:47 a.m.)
- LOL;-D (nfm) Moni (11/23/2007 7:38 a.m.)
Ch. 39 - Fanny's standing at Portsmouth v. MP LaurieC (11/22/2007 7:50 p.m.)
I don't think so! Tifah (11/22/2007 6:02 p.m.)
- Then why has... Reeba (11/22/2007 6:42 p.m.)
  - Regarding the Crawfords Tifah (11/23/2007 1:26 p.m.)
    - I would agree except that Fanny has questions about Mary... Adrian (11/23/2007 5:56 p.m.)
      - I thought of that Tifah (11/23/2007 9:15 p.m.)
  - I'm not sure I understand JoAnn (11/23/2007 8:38 a.m.)
    - I meant her timidity.... Reeba (11/23/2007 11:15 a.m.)
  - I was struck with the same feelings... Moni (11/22/2007 7:52 p.m.)
  - By comparison Tifah (11/22/2007 7:50 p.m.)

Chpt 39/40 Fanny in a new setting Tifah (11/22/2007 1:53 p.m.)

More likely trampled, I fear. Rachel G (11/22/2007 7:19 p.m.)
- I agree! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/23/2007 9:39 p.m.)

Fanny acts - the silver knife Tracy W (11/22/2007 6:48 a.m.)

Helpful Fanny Rachel G (11/22/2007 7:51 p.m.)
- Ch. 40 - Conferring favours on the poor LaurieC (11/22/2007 9:10 p.m.)
  - In every JA story I look for the ways the heroine shows... Adrian (11/23/2007 12:23 p.m.)

Happy Thanksgiving Day to US Pemberleans LaurieC (11/22/2007 12:19 a.m.)

Thanks nfm BarbaraB (11/23/2007 12:25 a.m.)
Enjoy a nice meal together ! :) nfm Elbè (11/22/2007 3:18 p.m.)
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! (nfm) JoAnn (11/22/2007 10:39 a.m.)
Amen to that! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/22/2007 8:28 a.m.)
Here's harmony- Happy Thanksgiving to all ! (nfm) Mandy N (11/22/2007 2:55 a.m.)
Happy Thanksgiving wonderful Pemberleans! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/22/2007 2:23 a.m.)
Happy Thanksgiving, to all;-) (nfm) Moni (11/22/2007 1:31 a.m.)

Ch. 39 - Disappointments LaurieC (11/21/2007 11:10 p.m.)

The anti-MP, and yet so much seems to depend on... Adrian (11/22/2007 2:52 p.m.)
- I agree, well said from here too! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/23/2007 2:09 a.m.)
- Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (11/22/2007 8:04 p.m.)
A change of pace indeed! Joan Ellen (11/22/2007 8:26 a.m.)
- Fanny's mother... Mandy N (11/23/2007 3:39 a.m.)
- Gross indeed! Rachel G (11/22/2007 3:52 p.m.)
  - Gentility and Morality Robbin (11/23/2007 9:42 p.m.)
    - Was Lieutenant of Marines considered a gentleman? Graciela (11/25/2007 4:48 p.m.)
      - I don't know for sure...   Robbin (11/26/2007 6:07 a.m.)
        
        Of course she should have been treated better   Graciela (11/27/2007 12:10 a.m.)
        
        Sir Thomas is responsible   Robbin (11/27/2007 3:23 a.m.)
    - You are perfectly right .... Rachel G (11/24/2007 7:06 a.m.)
      - Thanks Robbin (11/24/2007 10:29 a.m.)
    - Harsh judgements... Moni (11/24/2007 2:34 a.m.)
      - Blessing or curse   Robbin (11/24/2007 10:27 a.m.)
        
        Lending libraries of the time were not free.   Adrian (11/24/2007 5:04 p.m.)
        
        Key to the Prices…   Robbin (11/25/2007 12:51 a.m.)
    - Agreed, nan duval (11/24/2007 12:57 a.m.)

Ch 38 - More in William's favor Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 1:26 p.m.)

I had the same thought Jean (11/21/2007 3:14 p.m.)
Yes Robbin (11/21/2007 2:07 p.m.)
- Had William or Sir Thomas revealed the proposal... Adrian (11/21/2007 4:31 p.m.)
  - I agree… Robbin (11/22/2007 2:40 a.m.)

The Price family household LaurieC (11/21/2007 12:03 p.m.)

Mrs Price resembles Lady Bertram in more... Reeba (11/22/2007 5:15 p.m.)
- Amazing skill by JA Tracy W (11/23/2007 4:18 a.m.)
  - Personally I think it is not... Reeba (11/23/2007 6:34 a.m.)
- It's also weird here to find... Moni (11/22/2007 8:19 p.m.)
Ch. 39 - names of brothers: John & Richard *nfm* LaurieC (11/21/2007 9:20 p.m.)

Ch. 38 - Mary's correspondence LaurieC (11/20/2007 10:39 p.m.)

What really surprises me Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 10:29 a.m.)
- Loophole BarbaraB (11/21/2007 11:23 p.m.)
  - Dreading being go-between;-) Agree (nfm) Moni (11/22/2007 2:42 a.m.)
- Reading letters aloud is quite common in JA's novels... Adrian (11/21/2007 4:25 p.m.)
- he wouldn't have to be very in her face... Ra (11/21/2007 11:40 a.m.)
  - You could be right Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 1:03 p.m.)

The Price family -- Chpt 38 Tifah (11/20/2007 10:29 p.m.)

Home, Sweet Home Tarn (11/21/2007 4:24 a.m.)
- yes, i've finally found it! Ra (11/21/2007 7:01 a.m.)
  - Caught between two worlds ... Jessica T (11/23/2007 11:23 p.m.)
    - Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (11/24/2007 3:10 a.m.)
    - Poignant. Rachel G (11/24/2007 2:57 a.m.)
      - Lyrics that inspire visions of fictional characters ... Jessica T (11/24/2007 10:49 a.m.)
  - I don't think Fanny deserves a SUTH Tracy W (11/22/2007 6:35 a.m.)
  - Her pet peeve is not being loved Elbè (11/21/2007 4:18 p.m.)
    - It must be because Susan... Reeba (11/22/2007 5:10 p.m.)
      - Susan seems the typical teenager! :) nfm Elbè (11/22/2007 5:36 p.m.)
    - Oh yes - another headache! Rachel G (11/21/2007 6:30 p.m.)
      - Agree and another phase of... Moni (11/22/2007 3:30 a.m.)
      - I agree--great post! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/22/2007 3:06 a.m.)
  - It's the shock more than anything else. Tifah (11/21/2007 1:26 p.m.)
    - Shock initially, then continued disillusionment JoAnn (11/22/2007 10:48 a.m.)
      - 'Portsmouth could have no pleasures'. Mandy N (11/23/2007 8:52 a.m.)
  - Childish memory - places shrink. Rachel G (11/21/2007 10:44 a.m.)
    - Reverse culture shock Connie (11/21/2007 3:55 p.m.)
      - Reverse culture shock--I agree Robbin (11/22/2007 3:30 a.m.)
      - So true... BarbaraB (11/21/2007 10:03 p.m.)
    - Some brains are more or less incapable of filtering out noise Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 1:10 p.m.)
      - Maybe this WAS Fanny's problem Joan Ellen (11/22/2007 7:25 a.m.)
    - Ch. 38 - And children grow LaurieC (11/21/2007 10:56 a.m.)
      - Young Tom. Mandy N (11/21/2007 6:10 p.m.)
        
        Tom is Sir Thomas and Lady Bertram godson Graciela (11/21/2007 8:39 p.m.)
  - Not much contact in eight years or so LaurieC (11/21/2007 10:12 a.m.)
    - It's too bad... BarbaraB (11/21/2007 9:43 p.m.)
      - It is strange   Crystal (11/21/2007 10:14 p.m.)
        
        Fanny wanted to write to William and did.   Reeba (11/22/2007 4:16 p.m.)
        
        Mrs. Price never cared for her daughters, only her sons.   Adrian (11/22/2007 3:15 p.m.)
        
        Uncertain re amount of contact   LaurieC (11/22/2007 12:13 a.m.)
        
        Fanny would not have wanted to make her family pay for the post   Graciela (11/22/2007 9:25 p.m.)
        
        Sir Thomas,   Mandy N (11/22/2007 9:45 p.m.)
        
        Was Sir Thomas being dishonest?   Graciela (11/25/2007 4:21 p.m.)
        
        Sir Thomas and Franking...   Mandy N (11/25/2007 9:05 p.m.)
        
        I'm not sure there are...   Deborah d'Bajor (11/22/2007 10:13 a.m.)
Fanny's homecoming... Mandy N (11/21/2007 12:54 a.m.)
- She lays close to the Endymion... Tarn (11/26/2007 4:57 a.m.)

Ch. 38 - Two arrivals LaurieC (11/20/2007 10:20 p.m.)

Parallel between Fanny and Sir Thomas Connie (11/21/2007 3:32 p.m.)
- Good food for thought;-) (nfm) Moni (11/22/2007 3:17 a.m.)
- Indeed, great catch Connie… Robbin (11/22/2007 3:02 a.m.)
- Good catch! ;) nfm Elbè (11/21/2007 4:20 p.m.)
  - Very good catch, indeed nfm BarbaraB (11/21/2007 11:06 p.m.)
Transience of Portsmouth vs. permanence of MP Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 1:16 p.m.)
- Portsmouth - Noise and bustle ! Picture. Mandy N (11/23/2007 7:27 a.m.)
  - Oh dear! Robbin (11/23/2007 12:35 p.m.)
  - Shocking! Joan Ellen (11/23/2007 7:54 a.m.)

Should Mary accept Edmund's proposal? Rachel G (11/20/2007 6:02 p.m.)

I had wondered the same thing myself. Lila (11/20/2007 11:55 p.m.)
The ideal husband Connie (11/20/2007 11:32 p.m.)
- Being taken in Adrian (11/21/2007 4:36 p.m.)

The Yin & Yang of William Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 8:22 a.m.)

William Poppins... er Price! Rachel G (11/20/2007 10:04 a.m.)
- I have always wondered how gentlemanly William is... Adrian (11/20/2007 1:18 p.m.)
  - I expect you are right. Rachel G (11/20/2007 2:34 p.m.)
    - No one is trying to defame William Adrian (11/20/2007 6:32 p.m.)
      - Be at ease! Rachel G (11/20/2007 7:45 p.m.)
    - Wonderful post, Rachel G! Helen Halstead (11/20/2007 4:20 p.m.)
    - Get in line, sister! Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 3:26 p.m.)
      - Do you think we could clone him? nfm Rachel G (11/20/2007 5:06 p.m.)
      - William, a young man of potential.   Mandy N (11/20/2007 3:54 p.m.)
        
        Wow! Someone should write a novel   Connie (11/20/2007 11:15 p.m.)
        
        Was thinking the same thing!   Elbè (11/21/2007 8:52 a.m.)
        
        Maybe Jane Austen did....   Lila (11/21/2007 12:09 a.m.)

The vicissitudes of the human mind Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 8:08 a.m.)

I always read this as a joke LouAnn (11/20/2007 11:17 a.m.)
Agree on the whole... Moni (11/20/2007 8:26 a.m.)

Lady is a rebel – Chapter 37 Robbin (11/20/2007 3:30 a.m.)

LOL, to paraphrase Mrs. Norris LaurieC (11/20/2007 11:21 a.m.)
- Yes indeed;-) (nfm) Moni (11/22/2007 1:33 a.m.)
A pleasant suprise indeed. Reeba (11/20/2007 10:50 a.m.)
- Maybe she just knows Mrs. Norris well enough Connie (11/20/2007 11:05 p.m.)
Atta girl, Lady B!! Rachel G (11/20/2007 7:27 a.m.)
- Maybe Lady B's tactic is 'passive aggression' Elbè (11/21/2007 8:39 a.m.)

Pigeonholing Fanny - Chapter 37 Robbin (11/20/2007 2:57 a.m.)

William has other hopes from Fanny's visit... Reeba (11/20/2007 10:29 a.m.)
- This illuminates another facet of William's character Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 3:35 p.m.)
- But William misreads Fanny too... Adrian (11/20/2007 12:58 p.m.)
  - Isn't it interesting that no one can read Fanny properly? Lila (11/20/2007 10:45 p.m.)
    - Her secret LaurieC (11/20/2007 11:35 p.m.)
    - Who among them... Crystal (11/20/2007 11:30 p.m.)
      - The two-edged sword Adrian (11/21/2007 4:57 p.m.)
  - Ch. 37 - Fanny's imagined return to Portsmouth LaurieC (11/20/2007 1:22 p.m.)

Elusive security for matrimonial comfort - Chapter 36 Robbin (11/20/2007 12:47 a.m.)

Good catch. Connie (11/20/2007 10:55 p.m.)
Janet Fraser and Lady Stornaway Rachel G (11/20/2007 5:54 a.m.)
- Parallels and puzzles Robbin (11/21/2007 5:17 a.m.)
  - Which leads us right back to 'Lovers' Vows', doesn't it? Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 1:35 p.m.)
    - Yeppers! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/21/2007 2:01 p.m.)
- We know so little of the Frasers Tracy W (11/21/2007 4:07 a.m.)
- And yet Mary did see a difference... Reeba (11/20/2007 10:37 a.m.)
  - Oh, I think Mary knows Fanny's character... Lila (11/21/2007 12:27 a.m.)

The meaning of Ecclesford Connie (11/19/2007 11:52 p.m.)

Yes, I like... Reeba (11/20/2007 10:39 a.m.)
Good food for thought;-) (nfm) Moni (11/20/2007 8:01 a.m.)
I like your theory... Robbin (11/20/2007 3:00 a.m.)

Ch. 37 - Travels with Aunt Norris LaurieC (11/19/2007 11:51 p.m.)

I love this Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 7:43 a.m.)

Ch. 37 - The Portsmouth experiment LaurieC (11/19/2007 11:18 p.m.)

Sir Thomas’ dignified musings Robbin (11/20/2007 3:13 a.m.)
- Sir Thomas' experiment. Rachel G (11/20/2007 9:52 a.m.)
  - Sending her to Portsmouth. Mandy N (11/20/2007 5:01 p.m.)
    - Perhaps another point Sir T has in mind Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 6:02 p.m.)
  - Another cure LaurieC (11/20/2007 10:39 a.m.)
    - Cures and improvements... Moni (11/24/2007 3:15 a.m.)
      - Ch. 41 - More references   LaurieC (11/24/2007 11:37 a.m.)
        
        Yes, there seems a...   Moni (11/24/2007 9:23 p.m.)
        
        This is an interesting topic, I look forward to more. nfm (;D)   Robbin (11/25/2007 12:24 a.m.)
    - At his wit's end Connie (11/20/2007 3:56 p.m.)
      - Ten to one odds LaurieC (11/20/2007 5:01 p.m.)
      - Yes, her foundations are laid in rock Elbè (11/20/2007 4:55 p.m.)

The joke is on Mary ch36 Elbè (11/19/2007 1:44 p.m.)

Merryweather friends Chpt 35 Elbè (11/19/2007 1:41 p.m.)

Sometime friendships Rachel G (11/19/2007 3:15 p.m.)
- Much more heart Connie (11/19/2007 4:12 p.m.)

Safeguarding a secret – Chapter 36 Robbin (11/19/2007 12:57 a.m.)

Possible fears... Mandy N (11/19/2007 9:45 p.m.)
- Support from within Robbin (11/20/2007 1:04 a.m.)
  - Edmund strikes me as a "glass half full" guy... Adrian (11/20/2007 1:24 p.m.)
    - what so often happens... Ra (11/21/2007 5:53 a.m.)
- IMO Mary delayed leaving MP not for Henry's sake... Adrian (11/19/2007 9:48 p.m.)
  - Edmund's return, yes. Mandy N (11/19/2007 9:58 p.m.)
    - I think I agree with the rest. (nfm) Adrian (11/19/2007 10:08 p.m.)
Close to the emotional edge? LaurieC (11/19/2007 10:45 a.m.)
- Straw that broke the camel’s back Robbin (11/19/2007 6:22 p.m.)
I'm not sure which of... Reeba (11/19/2007 10:15 a.m.)
- The author says Patricia N (11/19/2007 6:37 p.m.)
- Henry's obstacles. Rachel G (11/19/2007 2:19 p.m.)
  - I agree these fundamental issues... Moni (11/20/2007 1:54 a.m.)
    - Were Fanny to marry Henry, IMO she would not withdraw... Adrian (11/20/2007 1:29 p.m.)
      - True, but... Rachel G (11/20/2007 5:21 p.m.)
        
        Exactly so, RachelG;-) (nfm) Moni (11/21/2007 8:28 a.m.)
    - Made up his mind to be discreet? Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 7:08 a.m.)
      - CH: 30 mentions the...   Moni (11/20/2007 7:22 a.m.)
        
        But this is Mary's view, not Henry's   Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 7:33 a.m.)
        
        Why does Mary caution him...   Moni (11/20/2007 7:54 a.m.)
        
        I agree with you on the likelihood of all these things   Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 8:11 a.m.)
        
        ;-) (nfm)   Moni (11/20/2007 8:27 a.m.)
  - I agree with all your... Reeba (11/19/2007 4:18 p.m.)
- Ch. 36 - Oppressed Henry LaurieC (11/19/2007 10:32 a.m.)
  - LOL! Good question. Reeba (11/19/2007 11:25 a.m.)
    - What the meaning of "is" is? Adrian (11/19/2007 1:19 p.m.)

My Plan to Make Fanny Love Henry nan duval (11/18/2007 11:38 p.m.)

LOL! JoAnn (11/29/2007 12:01 a.m.)
And in spite of all this, Connie (11/19/2007 12:39 p.m.)
And they lived happily... LaurieC (11/19/2007 11:47 a.m.)
LOL! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/19/2007 9:17 a.m.)
Mary needs a SUTH Deborah d'Bajor (11/19/2007 4:26 a.m.)
- Is Mary warning her?... Ra (11/19/2007 10:31 a.m.)
  - Mary rabbitting on... Reeba (11/19/2007 5:01 p.m.)
    - Exciting Fanny's emotions too... Moni (11/22/2007 2:18 a.m.)
      - Style of blabbering   Robbin (11/22/2007 2:31 a.m.)
        
        Both Mary and Henry try to bury Fanny with words,...   Adrian (11/22/2007 3:54 p.m.)
        
        Verbal Snowing...   Moni (11/22/2007 2:57 a.m.)
        
        I see the passage you quote a bit differently   Joan Ellen (11/22/2007 7:49 a.m.)
        
        Stream of consciousness - I agree. nfm   Rachel G (11/22/2007 8:18 a.m.)
        
        With any particular purpose?...   Moni (11/24/2007 2:42 a.m.)
        
        No purpose.   Rachel G (11/24/2007 4:50 a.m.)
        
        I get it...   Moni (11/24/2007 5:53 a.m.)
Run Fanny run! Robbin (11/19/2007 12:20 a.m.)
- Asking favours... Mandy N (11/19/2007 10:49 a.m.)
  - For all Henry's talent, Mary is the better manipulator. Adrian (11/19/2007 1:07 p.m.)

Ch. 36 - Bending Edmund's sturdy spirit LaurieC (11/18/2007 11:11 p.m.)

Blood is thicker than Love Robbin (11/19/2007 12:12 a.m.)
- Good catch Joan Ellen (11/19/2007 9:22 a.m.)
  - It reminds me of... Connie (11/20/2007 3:37 p.m.)

Ch. 36 - Necklace source revealed! LaurieC (11/18/2007 10:54 p.m.)

Not a nice trick, was it? (nfm) Moni (11/22/2007 2:10 a.m.)
'I was delighted to act on his proposal'. Mandy N (11/19/2007 6:29 a.m.)
- Mary's behavior may be even worse than Henry's here Joan Ellen (11/19/2007 9:12 a.m.)
  - Good point. nfm Connie (11/20/2007 3:40 p.m.)
  - I never noticed that! Tifah (11/19/2007 3:27 p.m.)

Ice Queen Elbè (11/18/2007 4:00 p.m.)

Yes and the swift change... Moni (11/19/2007 11:43 p.m.)
Fanny opening up to Edmund Robbin (11/18/2007 11:01 p.m.)
- Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (11/19/2007 11:42 p.m.)
I agree. His blindness is complete. Reeba (11/18/2007 4:10 p.m.)
- And also after saying his comment... Moni (11/19/2007 11:47 p.m.)
- Miss Crawford rules and Edmund drools… Robbin (11/18/2007 10:21 p.m.)
  - Often wondered... Elbè (11/19/2007 7:19 a.m.)
    - Hmmm, Emma again. Connie (11/20/2007 3:29 p.m.)
      - Will do ;) nfm Elbè (11/20/2007 4:59 p.m.)
- The disturbing increase in Mary's influence Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 4:30 p.m.)
  - Chapter of betrayals Robbin (11/18/2007 9:42 p.m.)
    - What makes me most angry... Elbè (11/19/2007 7:31 a.m.)
      - I think it is cool that Sir Thomas and Edmund, so alike,... Adrian (11/19/2007 1:25 p.m.)
        
        It is very clever... Moni (11/20/2007 12:01 a.m.)
  - Yes definitely Crystal (11/18/2007 5:28 p.m.)
Above is from chp35 - nfm Elbè (11/18/2007 4:03 p.m.)

Crawford & Voltaire nan duval (11/18/2007 3:35 p.m.)

I'm not sure about that Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 4:18 p.m.)

Is Sir Thomas is ignoring something? - Chapter 35 Robbin (11/18/2007 2:44 a.m.)

I don't think he's ignoring anything! JoAnn (11/21/2007 10:19 a.m.)
- Hurrying things along Robbin (11/21/2007 1:48 p.m.)
- We're here for you, JoAnn :-) *nfm* LaurieC (11/21/2007 10:31 a.m.)
  - Thanks, Robbin and LaurieC! (nfm) JoAnn (11/26/2007 1:38 a.m.)
Another idea, and a question. Rachel G (11/18/2007 7:42 p.m.)
- Agree completely. Connie (11/19/2007 4:09 p.m.)
- I think everything should be less about appearances Elbè (11/19/2007 8:00 a.m.)
  - Back to basics… Robbin (11/19/2007 6:29 p.m.)
- What does it mean to be constant? Tifah (11/18/2007 11:01 p.m.)
  - Respect. Rachel G (11/19/2007 8:25 a.m.)
    - Self-interest Tifah (11/19/2007 3:20 p.m.)
      - Sir Thomas's reason Connie (11/19/2007 3:58 p.m.)
- Fanny’s right to say no is a sore spot with me Robbin (11/18/2007 10:54 p.m.)
  - I second that Joan Ellen (11/19/2007 9:01 a.m.)
    - I agree with you except that Fanny has never revealed... Adrian (11/19/2007 1:45 p.m.)
  - I couldn't agree more. nfm Rachel G (11/19/2007 6:27 a.m.)
I read this slightly differently Tifah (11/18/2007 5:39 p.m.)
- It would make him just like other men nan duval (11/18/2007 7:23 p.m.)
Worldly views Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 9:03 a.m.)
It says in CH 33... Reeba (11/18/2007 6:36 a.m.)

Ch. 35 - Mrs. Grant's opinion? LaurieC (11/17/2007 8:05 p.m.)

Looking for an ally Robbin (11/18/2007 3:53 a.m.)
- Is Fanny jelaous here? Mia I. (11/18/2007 5:04 a.m.)
  - This was my understanding too. nfm Connie (11/19/2007 3:38 p.m.)
  - Interesting Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 9:07 a.m.)
  - This seems reasonable. Reeba (11/18/2007 7:07 a.m.)

Chpt 34 - Less a triangle and more a straight line. Tifah (11/17/2007 7:02 p.m.)

How about a noose? ;-) Reeba (11/18/2007 7:19 a.m.)
Intersecting love triangles nan duval (11/17/2007 8:59 p.m.)
- Spot the love... Moni (11/18/2007 2:46 a.m.)

Assigning blame nan duval (11/17/2007 5:50 p.m.)

Glad to oblige you… Robbin (11/18/2007 3:39 a.m.)
- Multiple SUTHs! Rachel G (11/18/2007 6:30 a.m.)
  - Leading Henry on Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 9:38 a.m.)
    - Well... Rachel G (11/18/2007 11:13 a.m.)
      - *Waving white flag*   Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 3:26 p.m.)
        
        Just wave your petticoat...   Rachel G (11/18/2007 5:31 p.m.)
        
        No can do   Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 6:41 p.m.)
        
        LOL! nfm   Rachel G (11/18/2007 7:45 p.m.)
        
        As Sir Tom burned extra copies of Lovers Vows! nfm (:D)   Robbin (11/18/2007 7:24 p.m.)
  - Correction - I meant Ch35. nfm Rachel G (11/18/2007 7:45 a.m.)
  - Wollstonecraft was a .. Reeba (11/18/2007 7:29 a.m.)
OK, I'm getting a bit ticked off with Edmund now too ;-) Joan Ellen (11/17/2007 6:44 p.m.)
- What annoys me is the reference... Moni (11/20/2007 7:09 a.m.)
  - Disinterested/uninterested. Rachel G (11/20/2007 8:07 a.m.)
    - Disinterested JulieW (11/20/2007 12:19 p.m.)
      - Thank you, JulieW!;-) (nfm) Moni (11/21/2007 8:39 a.m.)
      - Apparent Indifference.   Rachel G (11/20/2007 4:44 p.m.)
        
        How interesting...   Moni (11/21/2007 9:03 a.m.)
        
        We should not feel too bad about confusion over the word.   Adrian (11/21/2007 5:44 p.m.)
        
        LOL!! ;-) nfm   Reeba (11/22/2007 5:51 p.m.)
        
        LOL!;-) (nfm)   Moni (11/22/2007 1:52 a.m.)
        
        Nicely put, Adrian! nfm   Rachel G (11/21/2007 6:35 p.m.)
        
        Codes of Conduct & JA   Rachel G (11/21/2007 1:03 p.m.)
        
        Thanks, these are very helpful. (;D) nfm   Robbin (11/22/2007 2:34 a.m.)
        
        Thanks for these thoughts...   Moni (11/22/2007 1:44 a.m.)
  - Lady Bertram is a puzzle Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 8:03 a.m.)
    - Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (11/20/2007 8:07 a.m.)
- Infatuation breeds irrationality Robbin (11/18/2007 3:13 a.m.)
  - Heartbreaking Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 9:22 a.m.)
    - I believe in boxing it's called a "sucker punch". nfm nan duval (11/18/2007 9:57 a.m.)
  - If Fanny could not convince Edmund. what chance with Sir Thomas? Mia I. (11/18/2007 5:17 a.m.)
    - Edmund’s reaction was a disappointment to me Robbin (11/18/2007 6:26 a.m.)
      - Mary on his mind, Mandy N (11/18/2007 3:11 p.m.)
- Ch. 35 - Edmund's agenda LaurieC (11/17/2007 7:21 p.m.)
  - Edmund is besotted Robbin (11/18/2007 2:29 a.m.)
    - I agree Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 9:13 a.m.)

Ch 34 - can anyone explain to me Joan Ellen (11/17/2007 5:21 p.m.)

JA’s world is a magnificent place… Robbin (11/18/2007 12:35 a.m.)
Hah! I wondered the same thing. :D Tifah (11/17/2007 6:28 p.m.)
Not only that, but... Reeba (11/17/2007 6:23 p.m.)
- The inclination of the leaves Ramya (11/17/2007 7:44 p.m.)
  - That is what I thought of when reading Robbin (11/18/2007 12:18 a.m.)
    - I was wondering ... Reeba (11/18/2007 7:15 a.m.)
      - Well, the individual parts for "Lovers Vows"... Adrian (11/18/2007 1:01 p.m.)
        
        Thick leaved pages Elbè (11/18/2007 4:49 p.m.)
LOL, I don't know LaurieC (11/17/2007 5:53 p.m.)

Ch. 34 - Henry the actor LaurieC (11/16/2007 10:12 p.m.)

Henry on stage.... Mandy N (11/17/2007 10:23 a.m.)
- Meaning of Henry VIII in MP LaurieC (11/17/2007 10:54 a.m.)
  - and the last one survived him??!! Fannie (11/17/2007 1:20 p.m.)
    - The play is on... Mandy N (11/17/2007 11:00 p.m.)
      - Wow! Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 9:47 a.m.)
  - Fascinating... Moni (11/17/2007 11:36 a.m.)
    - Theme of exile, Mandy N (11/20/2007 8:17 p.m.)

Ch. 34 - Edmund's take on the Henry-Fanny situation LaurieC (11/16/2007 8:52 p.m.)

I find this a very problematic chapter Joan Ellen (11/17/2007 7:17 p.m.)
- Ch. 34 - Being forward LaurieC (11/17/2007 7:35 p.m.)
  - Agree with both these posts,,, Moni (11/19/2007 11:39 p.m.)
    - When Sir Thomas first speaks with Fanny about Henry... Adrian (11/20/2007 1:56 p.m.)
Much as it pains me William L (11/17/2007 4:24 p.m.)
- Relax, you don't really agree Connie (11/19/2007 12:30 p.m.)
- LOL! Well, you would not have been alone Tifah (11/17/2007 6:44 p.m.)
This would seem... BarbaraB (11/17/2007 11:02 a.m.)
- I agree , Barbara. Reeba (11/17/2007 6:16 p.m.)
- Edmund seems so closely to resemble his father... Adrian (11/17/2007 12:33 p.m.)
  - Ch. 34 - Meanwhile, Fanny... LaurieC (11/17/2007 1:58 p.m.)
    - The carelessness of these men… Robbin (11/17/2007 11:59 p.m.)
      - I didn't read Fanny's emotional response here as... Connie (11/19/2007 3:13 p.m.)
        
        I think that is reasonable and probably true... Robbin (11/19/2007 4:39 p.m.)

Lady Bertram - more LOLling! Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 4:21 p.m.)

This was almost the only rule.... Reeba (11/17/2007 6:03 p.m.)
- Oh and a LOL line for Mrs Norris. Reeba (11/17/2007 6:29 p.m.)
And she takes credit... LaurieC (11/16/2007 4:28 p.m.)
- Taking credit Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 4:31 p.m.)
  - Lady Bertram & Mrs. Norris - different but the same Robbin (11/17/2007 11:56 p.m.)

Something That's Really Starting to Bug Me; Or, Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 12:13 p.m.)

Edmund, though not perfect... Moni (11/20/2007 7:00 a.m.)
It's curious that Sir Thomas wanted to recommend Graciela (11/19/2007 10:39 p.m.)
"Ideal Woman" Luc (11/16/2007 9:21 p.m.)
Ideal womanhood Rachel G (11/16/2007 8:19 p.m.)
- Ooh! Thanks for reminding me of Wollstonecraft! Joan Ellen (11/17/2007 1:40 p.m.)
Fanny may be "uncurably gentle"... Tifah (11/16/2007 3:23 p.m.)
- Fanny's moral sensibility... Mandy N (11/16/2007 4:14 p.m.)
- I meant no imputation against Fanny Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 4:10 p.m.)
  - Fanny has been misunderstood Tifah (11/16/2007 5:35 p.m.)
- Excellent point on persuadability. Connie (11/16/2007 3:56 p.m.)
  - Mary's persuadability LouAnn (11/16/2007 5:01 p.m.)
    - No, her self-knowledge is not wrong. Connie (11/17/2007 8:14 p.m.)
    - Good Point nfm BarbaraB (11/17/2007 10:04 a.m.)

Unexpected similarity - Chapter 33 Robbin (11/16/2007 1:23 a.m.)

Excellent points. Reeba (11/17/2007 7:02 p.m.)
This is one of the few places in MP... Connie (11/16/2007 3:59 p.m.)
Exactly!!! Fannie (11/16/2007 3:18 p.m.)
Very perceptive William L (11/16/2007 11:42 a.m.)

Did Sir Thomas suspect? Lila (11/15/2007 11:48 p.m.)

To fortify herself beyond betraying it Robbin (11/16/2007 2:00 a.m.)
- I wonder Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 11:25 a.m.)
  - A good question LaurieC (11/16/2007 11:53 a.m.)
    - Removed for her own good. Tifah (11/16/2007 3:40 p.m.)
      - Marriage to the Crawfords   nan duval (11/17/2007 8:42 p.m.)
        
        I love your turn of phrase!   Joan Ellen (11/17/2007 8:57 p.m.)
        
        Thanks! nfm   nan duval (11/17/2007 9:24 p.m.)
      - That could be LaurieC (11/16/2007 4:22 p.m.)
      - I agree. nfm Connie (11/16/2007 4:02 p.m.)

Ch. 33 - the secret is out LaurieC (11/15/2007 11:14 p.m.)

Lovely picture... Moni (11/18/2007 3:10 a.m.)
- I'd call it presumptuous JoAnn (11/21/2007 10:25 a.m.)
  - Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (11/21/2007 10:47 a.m.)
Fanny stands alone Robbin (11/16/2007 2:26 a.m.)
- Actually to his credit Mr. C did not inform Lady B and Aunt N Adrian (11/16/2007 3:31 p.m.)
  - Informing Mansfield BarbaraB (11/17/2007 5:51 a.m.)
    - Agreed. And in speaking about the unsuccessful or... Adrian (11/17/2007 12:44 p.m.)
  - I agree... Robbin (11/16/2007 4:18 p.m.)
    - I almost agree.... Adrian (11/16/2007 5:46 p.m.)
- The aunts reactions... Mandy N (11/16/2007 3:23 p.m.)
  - Mrs Norris Rachel G (11/16/2007 8:44 p.m.)
    - Mrs. Norris' neglect LaurieC (11/16/2007 9:05 p.m.)
    - Your second explanation is right, IMO {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 9:02 p.m.)
      - Thank you both. nfm Rachel G (11/17/2007 3:48 a.m.)
  - Excellent point Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 3:54 p.m.)

Ch. 33 - Henry perseveres LaurieC (11/15/2007 10:54 p.m.)

Perseverance Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 11:35 a.m.)
- Thrill of the hunt Robbin (11/17/2007 11:53 p.m.)
  - The thrill of the hunt is a manifestation Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 8:48 a.m.)
    - Good call… Robbin (11/18/2007 1:11 p.m.)
      - Exactly BarbaraB (11/18/2007 2:22 p.m.)
- Potential opposition LaurieC (11/16/2007 12:20 p.m.)
  - Could be and before he goes away... Moni (11/19/2007 11:25 p.m.)

Sir Thomas as schoolmaster Christopher (11/15/2007 4:01 p.m.)

I do not thik one could classify Sir Thomas as a schoolmaster Adrian (11/16/2007 3:19 p.m.)

Fanny - Between a rock and a hard place. Rachel G (11/15/2007 9:41 a.m.)

Independent spirit Robbin (11/16/2007 3:33 a.m.)
Ch. 32 - After the storm LaurieC (11/15/2007 10:22 a.m.)
- Yikes, indeed... Moni (11/19/2007 9:28 a.m.)
I agree completely on points 2 & 3 Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 10:21 a.m.)
- A different view of point 1 Robbin (11/15/2007 11:10 p.m.)
  - Thanks for this explanation, Robbin Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 10:22 a.m.)
  - One thing stuck out in your post... Lila (11/15/2007 11:35 p.m.)
    - She did try unsuccessfully… Robbin (11/16/2007 12:19 a.m.)
      - One point that struck me is that Fanny did not implicate Maria. Adrian (11/16/2007 3:53 p.m.)
      - This backs up your point about Sir Thomas.   Connie (11/16/2007 3:40 p.m.)
        
        Sir Thomas and those ridiculous lengths…   Robbin (11/17/2007 11:49 p.m.)
        
        Great post, Robbin. Thanks! nfm   Rachel G (11/18/2007 3:42 a.m.)
- I'm with you on #1 Louise H (11/15/2007 1:25 p.m.)
- Carried away by his own rhetoric?? Rachel G (11/15/2007 10:33 a.m.)
  - Maybe - or maybe carried away by his temper Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 3:07 p.m.)
    - Do we ever see a person superior in consequence... Adrian (11/16/2007 3:59 p.m.)
      - I'm not sure Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 4:29 p.m.)
  - Ch. 32 - About his daughters... LaurieC (11/15/2007 11:11 a.m.)
    - And just supposing... Rachel G (11/15/2007 1:35 p.m.)
      - Of course, Sir Thomas is fooled by Henry,   Connie (11/15/2007 3:42 p.m.)
        
        Fannie is a Cassandra   Patricia N (11/15/2007 10:48 p.m.)
        
        Even if no one will believe her she should say the truth...   Lila (11/15/2007 11:41 p.m.)
        
        Principal and self-preservation over disservice   Robbin (11/18/2007 12:06 a.m.)
        
        As one who stands to lose most of her battles...   Adrian (11/18/2007 1:24 p.m.)
        
        Agree, Fanny self consults...   Moni (11/19/2007 9:34 a.m.)
        
        No fire in the bedchamber   Crystal (11/18/2007 1:22 p.m.)
        
        I had always assumed the room had no fireplace, ....   Adrian (11/18/2007 1:26 p.m.)
        
        OK, good   Crystal (11/18/2007 1:31 p.m.)
        
        The little white attic   Robbin (11/18/2007 7:56 p.m.)
        
        Beg to differ: bedroom has changed.   Adrian (11/19/2007 1:53 p.m.)
        
        I don’t think Fanny’s bedroom has changed…   Robbin (11/19/2007 4:10 p.m.)
        
        I think you are right.   Adrian (11/19/2007 10:07 p.m.)
        
        She is in the position   nan duval (11/17/2007 8:11 p.m.)
    - Sir Thomas may be personally affronted, Mandy N (11/15/2007 1:35 p.m.)
      - Sir Thomas also thought her... Moni (11/19/2007 9:45 a.m.)
      - Why Sir Thomas is so upset Tifah (11/15/2007 3:59 p.m.)
      - Plus, he has to break the news to Henry LaurieC (11/15/2007 1:44 p.m.)
        
        Reminds me of Mr Knightley's... Reeba (11/15/2007 5:25 p.m.)
    - Sir Thomas mistakes Fanny's length of deliberation. Adrian (11/15/2007 1:04 p.m.)
      - Early marriages   LaurieC (11/15/2007 1:36 p.m.)
        
        ?Marriage a steadying influence? nfm   Rachel G (11/15/2007 2:14 p.m.)
        
        I agree, and responsibility. nfm   Reeba (11/15/2007 5:28 p.m.)

Heaven defend me from being ungrateful! - Chapter 32 Robbin (11/15/2007 3:25 a.m.)

My heart goes out to her... Moni (11/19/2007 9:21 a.m.)
- It's emotional abuse, IMO Joan Ellen (11/19/2007 9:31 a.m.)
  - I do not see Sir Thomas as treating Fanny abusively. Adrian (11/20/2007 2:14 p.m.)
    - I agree JoAnn (11/29/2007 12:03 a.m.)
  - I would have thougth that abuse (physical or emotional) Graciela (11/19/2007 10:17 p.m.)
    - I think it is not at all uncommon Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 7:29 a.m.)
      - Do you mean that Sir Thomas was subconsciouly ....   Graciela (11/21/2007 2:08 p.m.)
        
        Oh no, not at all   Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 5:00 p.m.)
        
        How many tirades do we see Fanny witness from Sir T?   Adrian (11/21/2007 5:11 p.m.)
        
        Not only bad temper   Joan Ellen (11/21/2007 8:45 p.m.)
        
        I do believe I understand, but in reasoning backward...   Adrian (11/22/2007 3:44 p.m.)
        
        My impression of her nearly constant emotional discomfort   Joan Ellen (11/22/2007 6:21 p.m.)
        
        That passage refers to when *Mrs. Norris* is accompanying   Graciela (11/22/2007 8:08 p.m.)
        
        My mistake on the chapter number   Joan Ellen (11/23/2007 7:26 a.m.)
        
        Unintentional abuse...   Moni (11/22/2007 2:36 a.m.)
        
        Thank you for understanding me :-)   Joan Ellen (11/22/2007 8:14 a.m.)
        
        No problems...   Moni (11/24/2007 9:51 p.m.)
        
        Nope, not imagination at all. nfm (;D)   Robbin (11/25/2007 12:22 a.m.)
        
        Abusive atmosphere   Ramya (11/22/2007 5:31 p.m.)
        
        Well said:-) (nfm)   Moni (11/24/2007 9:49 p.m.)
    - Consider the manner in which... Moni (11/20/2007 4:58 a.m.)
      - I agree Moni. nfm (;D) Robbin (11/20/2007 5:20 a.m.)
        
        ;-D (nfm) Moni (11/20/2007 7:26 a.m.)
  - It certainly is... Moni (11/19/2007 9:57 a.m.)
    - In police interrogations nan duval (11/20/2007 8:18 p.m.)
      - But isn't that the way most women were treated?   Lila (11/20/2007 10:25 p.m.)
        
        Sir Thomas risks...   Moni (11/21/2007 9:42 a.m.)
        
        I am not sure where you come down on this.   Adrian (11/21/2007 5:28 p.m.)
        
        IMO, Sir Thomas is...   Moni (11/22/2007 2:07 a.m.)
    - Permanent damage Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 7:24 a.m.)
      - I wonder...   Moni (11/20/2007 7:33 a.m.)
        
        Yes, she is able to maintain her inner core of principle   Joan Ellen (11/20/2007 7:54 a.m.)
        
        Absolutely so! (nfm)   Moni (11/20/2007 8:28 a.m.)
Sir Thomas' speech surprised me. Lila (11/15/2007 11:29 p.m.)
- Generation gap?? Moni (11/19/2007 9:17 a.m.)
- Similar thoughts/profile on Sir Thomas BarbaraB (11/17/2007 4:59 a.m.)
Gratitude & ingratitude another theme in the book Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 9:04 a.m.)
- Enjoyed this very thought-provoking post, thanks nfm BarbaraB (11/17/2007 4:36 a.m.)
- This is great Joan Ellen… Robbin (11/15/2007 11:24 p.m.)
  - The joys of chronic insomnia Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 10:24 a.m.)
- More on gratitude. Rachel G (11/15/2007 6:32 p.m.)
  - So as long as a guy's halfway agreeable and he asks... Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 11:14 a.m.)
  - Gratitude! Fannie (11/15/2007 9:56 p.m.)
    - Quite so! nfm Rachel G (11/16/2007 2:16 a.m.)
- Great observations. nfm Connie (11/15/2007 3:35 p.m.)

Ch. 32 - Mrs. Norris' misapplied principles LaurieC (11/14/2007 11:07 p.m.)

Really like the way... Moni (11/19/2007 9:01 a.m.)
Definitely, with Baddley... Mandy N (11/15/2007 2:30 p.m.)
- Why couldn't Mrs. Norris think Graciela (11/16/2007 3:09 p.m.)
  - 'Stay, stay Fanny !' Mandy N (11/17/2007 10:51 a.m.)
- I love this rare little peek into the mind of a servant Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 3:11 p.m.)
  - Baddeley's half smile. Rachel G (11/15/2007 3:15 p.m.)
    - we know she's 'harassed' him before LouAnn (11/15/2007 5:17 p.m.)
    - Not much of a fan Tifah (11/15/2007 3:30 p.m.)
      - The servants at the White house Robbin (11/15/2007 10:18 p.m.)
        
        LOL !! nfm Rachel G (11/16/2007 2:14 a.m.)

Ch. 32 - The cure LaurieC (11/14/2007 10:50 p.m.)

Love this;-) (nfm) Moni (11/18/2007 7:53 a.m.)

Ch. 31 - the proposal begins LaurieC (11/14/2007 11:04 a.m.)

Sometimes I wonder if... Reeba (11/14/2007 3:48 p.m.)
- His past actions LaurieC (11/14/2007 10:39 p.m.)
  - There is a strange thing... Moni (11/18/2007 7:46 a.m.)
  - I have understood .... Reeba (11/15/2007 5:09 p.m.)
  - Henry's strategy Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 8:32 a.m.)
- I agree. Connie (11/14/2007 4:07 p.m.)
  - Good points, Reeba & Connie {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 4:13 p.m.)
Once again, Henry's unsteadiness/impatience... Adrian (11/14/2007 2:25 p.m.)
- Awful pun ahead -- proceed at your own risk Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 4:29 p.m.)
  - Absolutely appalling, it made me giggle :) (nfm) Tracy W (11/16/2007 7:20 a.m.)
Ch. 31 - Henry explains further LaurieC (11/14/2007 11:12 a.m.)
- And on the subject of Henry and Country-Western songs Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 1:01 p.m.)
- ROTFLOL! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 12:49 p.m.)

LOL Lady Bertram moment gives Henry a chance. Reeba (11/14/2007 10:22 a.m.)

Is Henry being rude, visiting at that time? Graciela (11/16/2007 3:37 p.m.)
- Morning Calls BarbaraB (11/17/2007 4:29 a.m.)

The theme of absence. Connie (11/14/2007 12:50 a.m.)

Absence or Exits? Luc (11/14/2007 6:48 p.m.)
- Interesting observation. Connie (11/15/2007 3:20 p.m.)
- I quite like this idea, Luc. Thanks. nfm Reeba (11/15/2007 7:17 a.m.)
  - Yes, it fits perfectly with the theatrical motif {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/15/2007 8:21 a.m.)
Tom's absence. Reeba (11/14/2007 4:06 p.m.)

Ch. 31 - Financial burdens LaurieC (11/13/2007 10:50 p.m.)

A different perspective -India Shawls Rachel G (11/14/2007 8:00 p.m.)
- Buying at the source would cost much less, no doubt. Adrian (11/15/2007 1:16 p.m.)
  - Maybe. Rachel G (11/15/2007 2:49 p.m.)
- Fascinating! Thank you so much! (nfm) Louise H (11/15/2007 1:05 p.m.)
probably not as much as La Norris thinks LouAnn (11/14/2007 8:24 a.m.)
- They don't seem to cost enough... Reeba (11/14/2007 9:56 a.m.)
  - Ch. 31 - A note re "something rather considerable" LaurieC (11/14/2007 10:43 a.m.)
  - Austen family tradition Helen B (11/14/2007 10:36 a.m.)
    - Thank you Laurie and Helen :-) nfm Reeba (11/14/2007 3:32 p.m.)
I agree... Robbin (11/14/2007 3:07 a.m.)

Ch. 31 - William is made! LaurieC (11/13/2007 10:39 p.m.)

First Lord of the Admiralty Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 8:28 a.m.)
- Interesting link on Navy promotions. Mandy N (11/14/2007 1:45 p.m.)
  - Shawls Crystal (11/14/2007 2:24 p.m.)
    - Lady Bertram's shawl. Mandy N (11/15/2007 4:19 a.m.)
      - Ooh how lovely!   Rachel G (11/15/2007 6:06 a.m.)
        
        Glad you enjoyed pics, and great info above.   Mandy N (11/15/2007 7:54 a.m.)
        
        Batik?   Tarn (11/16/2007 1:56 a.m.)
        
        'I wish he may go to the East Indies...' Ch.31   Mandy N (11/16/2007 9:02 a.m.)
        
        I couldn't find a plate either   Joan Ellen (11/16/2007 11:07 a.m.)

Henry vs. Mr. Darcy JoAnn (11/13/2007 7:37 p.m.)

Darcy's Discretion... Moni (11/14/2007 7:05 p.m.)
One point where they differ significantly is... Reeba (11/14/2007 4:01 a.m.)
- I noticed that, too. JoAnn (11/18/2007 11:57 p.m.)
- However, part of this is due to a difference in the ladies Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 7:25 a.m.)
  - Proposal BarbaraB (11/14/2007 7:11 p.m.)
    - Going to Sir Thomas Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 7:46 p.m.)
      - Ch. 31 - Note to Mary LaurieC (11/14/2007 8:11 p.m.)
  - Pre-assured in answer. Mandy N (11/14/2007 1:20 p.m.)
    - I'm not sure I follow you Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 4:35 p.m.)
      - Ah yes, Henry may imagine ... Mandy N (11/15/2007 1:41 a.m.)
      - and.. Fannie (11/14/2007 5:08 p.m.)
Ch. 31 - The Look - Henry Crawford style LaurieC (11/13/2007 10:31 p.m.)
- LOL! Swoon.... (nfm) Rebecca K (11/14/2007 2:07 a.m.)
Another significant difference... Tifah (11/13/2007 8:34 p.m.)
Comparisons LaurieC (11/13/2007 7:46 p.m.)
- Very interesting, Mandy N (11/14/2007 11:38 a.m.)
- That's fabulous! JoAnn (11/13/2007 7:52 p.m.)

Ch 30 - A critical point in the story Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 10:25 a.m.)

Henry’s progress Robbin (11/14/2007 2:58 a.m.)
Like Mary, he now admits doing wrong. Connie (11/13/2007 11:14 p.m.)
- I always thought he was wrong in his conduct Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 7:31 a.m.)
A list that draws one to Henry... Reeba (11/13/2007 5:13 p.m.)
Is it a strategy, or just a pure pleasure? Tracy W (11/13/2007 11:55 a.m.)
- Sorry I didn't have time for a proper reply before Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 3:03 p.m.)
Ch. 30 - hope for Henry LaurieC (11/13/2007 10:41 a.m.)
- One major shift is... Moni (11/17/2007 11:47 a.m.)
  - Has Henry changed? Robbin (11/17/2007 11:30 p.m.)
    - Not in my book... Moni (11/18/2007 2:39 a.m.)
- Yes, I can't help but like him Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 11:06 a.m.)
  - If this were a typical romance... Tifah (11/13/2007 2:51 p.m.)
    - The reformed rogue Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 3:15 p.m.)
      - Amen to that.   Fannie (11/13/2007 3:30 p.m.)
        
        Principled men rewarded   Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 4:04 p.m.)
        
        Amen to that!!! ; ) nfm   Fannie (11/13/2007 7:50 p.m.)
        
        Totaly agree *nfm*   Tifah (11/13/2007 3:31 p.m.)
  - Both Henry and Mary seem to imagine they can just... Adrian (11/13/2007 1:13 p.m.)
  - Ch. 30 - Letting Everingham LaurieC (11/13/2007 11:29 a.m.)

The Seven Sins of Mansfield Park... Deborah d'Bajor (11/13/2007 4:37 a.m.)

Fantastic!! (nfm) Moni (11/14/2007 7:06 p.m.)
The eighth sin goes to.... Lila (11/13/2007 10:44 p.m.)
- LOL !!!!! nfm Fannie (11/14/2007 4:28 p.m.)
Where would Tom... Reeba (11/13/2007 5:19 p.m.)
- Too bad careless narcissism is not one of the seven. :-) Adrian (11/14/2007 2:32 p.m.)
  - I have to agree. Maybe it can be included like... Reeba (11/14/2007 3:56 p.m.)
- Sloth perhaps [nfm] LouAnn (11/13/2007 7:49 p.m.)
  - If Lady Bertram... Reeba (11/14/2007 3:55 p.m.)
    - you are right LouAnn (11/14/2007 3:59 p.m.)
Wonderful post lol nfm William L (11/13/2007 10:06 a.m.)
Re. lust Rachel G (11/13/2007 8:00 a.m.)
- Definition of lust. Connie (11/14/2007 12:23 a.m.)
  - I take your point. Rachel G (11/14/2007 4:49 a.m.)
Deadly sins... Mandy N (11/13/2007 7:07 a.m.)
- Does Mary have any jealousy for Fanny? JoAnn (11/13/2007 8:08 p.m.)
  - Edmund's attentions, Mandy N (11/14/2007 6:34 a.m.)
- 'Righteous anger' Rebecca K (11/13/2007 7:59 p.m.)
- I see Aunt Norris as congenitally angry. :-) *nfm* Adrian (11/13/2007 12:59 p.m.)
  - So do I Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 3:20 p.m.)
    - Only four of seven? She must not be trying. Adrian (11/13/2007 4:52 p.m.)
      - LOL from me too! nfm Connie (11/14/2007 12:26 a.m.)
      - LoL! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/13/2007 11:59 p.m.)
      - LOL :-D   Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 5:51 p.m.)
        
        Well, let's see if I can be creative.   Adrian (11/14/2007 2:44 p.m.)
        
        Very true   Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 4:41 p.m.)
        
        LOL (nfm)   Adrian (11/14/2007 5:14 p.m.)
        
        Lust for control/power?? NFM.   Crystal (11/14/2007 2:48 p.m.)
angry Sir Thomas? lol! nfm Ra (11/13/2007 6:41 a.m.)

The Professions of Mr Crawford.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/13/2007 4:21 a.m.)

So changeable... Moni (11/14/2007 7:11 p.m.)
And lately ..that of a... Reeba (11/13/2007 5:26 p.m.)
- I loved Fanny's reaction to this JoAnn (11/13/2007 8:00 p.m.)

Ch. 30 - The Admiral LaurieC (11/12/2007 11:12 p.m.)

The admiral let Henry... Reeba (11/13/2007 5:36 p.m.)
Henry has admiration for the Admiral Robbin (11/13/2007 6:17 a.m.)
- The Admiral's example... Tifah (11/13/2007 3:27 p.m.)
- Henry as committed... Mandy N (11/13/2007 9:49 a.m.)
  - Heaven’s last best gift Robbin (11/14/2007 2:24 a.m.)
    - A little more on Henry & Darcy Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 8:11 a.m.)
      - Making an offer she cannot refuse...   Moni (11/18/2007 8:11 a.m.)
        
        LOL! Act now and as a bonus you'll receive...   Joan Ellen (11/18/2007 10:05 a.m.)
        
        LOL!;-) (nfm)   Moni (11/18/2007 11:08 p.m.)
    - Oh yes.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/14/2007 4:20 a.m.)
  - What do you mean by "being in love"? Connie (11/14/2007 12:03 a.m.)
    - Potential and limitations... Mandy N (11/14/2007 5:00 a.m.)
      - Henry – delusion, change, betrayal Robbin (11/14/2007 6:26 p.m.)
      - I agree with much of what you said. Connie (11/14/2007 3:55 p.m.)
- The points that particularly jump out at me in this passage Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 9:21 a.m.)
  - Character and principal Robbin (11/14/2007 2:38 a.m.)

Ch. 30 - Mary reconsiders? LaurieC (11/12/2007 11:00 p.m.)

Is Henry really that unaware? JoAnn (11/13/2007 7:55 p.m.)
- I think Henry does know... Robbin (11/13/2007 11:55 p.m.)
  - Good point, Robbin -- I think you're right {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 8:17 a.m.)
- I thought that was odd too {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/13/2007 8:12 p.m.)
Cold hearts, cold minds Robbin (11/13/2007 4:00 a.m.)
- Agreed, It's all about him. nfm nan duval (11/17/2007 4:00 p.m.)
- Henry won't introduce his mistress Connie (11/13/2007 11:45 p.m.)
- Mary's cold-heartedness & cynicism. Rachel G (11/13/2007 5:23 p.m.)
- Reading this conversation I feel sorry for the Crawfords Tracy W (11/13/2007 5:25 a.m.)
  - Limerence Luc (11/13/2007 7:17 a.m.)
    - Darn - learn a new word and learn the wrong definition Tracy W (11/13/2007 9:50 a.m.)
      - That's what I always thought it meant JoAnn (11/13/2007 7:42 p.m.)
      - Awakening love   LaurieC (11/13/2007 10:15 a.m.)
        
        How about good old infatuation?   nan duval (11/17/2007 4:13 p.m.)
        
        Not talking about infatuation   Tracy W (11/19/2007 10:03 a.m.)
        
        Point taken.   nan duval (11/19/2007 7:29 p.m.)
  - is there any instance of a long-lasting loving marriage? Ra (11/13/2007 6:57 a.m.)
    - Sir Thomas and Lady Bertram Adrian (11/13/2007 12:50 p.m.)
    - Mary's momentary self-knowledge? Adrian (11/13/2007 12:38 p.m.)

Fanny's hair-chapter 30 LouAnn (11/12/2007 9:25 p.m.)

LOL like these days Rebecca K (11/15/2007 1:17 a.m.)
Regency hairstyles-link. Mandy N (11/13/2007 7:12 a.m.)
- Easy to maintain? LouAnn (11/13/2007 7:51 p.m.)
  - Short on ladies maids? Tarn (11/14/2007 2:39 a.m.)
    - Good thought LouAnn (11/14/2007 8:31 a.m.)
      - But Fanny did have the Upper Housemaid to help...   Adrian (11/14/2007 3:17 p.m.)
        
        Aha! back to chapter 1   LouAnn (11/14/2007 4:04 p.m.)
        
        An interesting point. Did you notice that Fanny now resides...   Adrian (11/14/2007 5:25 p.m.)
- Thanks for sharing---nfm BarbaraB (11/13/2007 6:52 p.m.)
- I like the... Reeba (11/13/2007 5:41 p.m.)

Edmund in the East room - Chapter 27 Robbin (11/12/2007 6:18 p.m.)

Edmund/East Room BarbaraB (11/13/2007 6:48 p.m.)
No fire in the East room. Rachel G (11/12/2007 7:25 p.m.)
- dampness Ra (11/13/2007 7:06 a.m.)
- I agree. nfm Rebecca K (11/12/2007 8:23 p.m.)
- My guess, too Crystal (11/12/2007 7:30 p.m.)

Limerick contest winner - Sir T! LaurieC (11/12/2007 12:16 p.m.)

Congrats LOL nfm William L (11/13/2007 10:44 a.m.)
Congratulations BarbaraB - it's very funny (nfm) Tracy W (11/13/2007 5:43 a.m.)
This was great, BarbaraB;-) (nfm) Moni (11/12/2007 9:33 p.m.)
Wonderful limerick! Well done! nfm Rebecca K (11/12/2007 8:28 p.m.)
Thanks! BarbaraB (11/12/2007 8:00 p.m.)
- I love this scene too. It's got to be... Reeba (11/13/2007 7:57 a.m.)
Well done BarbaraB :-) nfm Reeba (11/12/2007 3:05 p.m.)
Great job, BarbaraB! Congrats! (nfm) JoAnn (11/12/2007 2:57 p.m.)
Congratulations BarbaraB! It is wonderful! (;D) nfm Robbin (11/12/2007 2:29 p.m.)
Congradulations BarbaraB, well done. :-) (nfm) Mandy N (11/12/2007 12:58 p.m.)

What does this mean? JoAnn (11/12/2007 1:25 a.m.)

Thank you. JoAnn (11/12/2007 12:12 p.m.)
For "against," substitute "before" Adrian (11/12/2007 12:01 p.m.)
maybe beginning? Ra (11/12/2007 6:58 a.m.)
It is the same... Reeba (11/12/2007 1:55 a.m.)

Ch. 29 - the Miss Owens LaurieC (11/12/2007 12:22 a.m.)

Mary's jealousy seems to be another sign that she doesn't Joan Ellen (11/12/2007 4:50 p.m.)
- Does Mary know Edmund loves her? Tracy W (11/13/2007 5:39 a.m.)
  - That a person would continue to seek the company nan duval (11/13/2007 8:39 p.m.)
    - If Mary believes she is as capable of attracting a man... Tracy W (11/14/2007 3:40 a.m.)
      - She knows he's attracted nan duval (11/14/2007 8:30 p.m.)
      - I think the real uncertainty for Mary is not Joan Ellen (11/14/2007 8:22 a.m.)
  - Edmund did ask Mary to dance a second set... Adrian (11/13/2007 1:31 p.m.)
- Agreeing with you on both these points. Rachel G (11/12/2007 5:44 p.m.)
Mary's emotional upheaval.... Mandy N (11/12/2007 3:17 p.m.)
Mary discovers her conscience! Connie (11/12/2007 2:46 p.m.)
- Does Mary think she was wrong because she did... Adrian (11/12/2007 8:21 p.m.)
  - Sorry. goofed on html. nfm Connie (11/13/2007 11:16 p.m.)
It appears that Mary has succumbed in part... Adrian (11/12/2007 11:55 a.m.)
- Oh, that means Tifah (11/12/2007 7:30 p.m.)
The big green monster.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/12/2007 4:17 a.m.)

Ch. 29 - the miserable trio LaurieC (11/12/2007 12:03 a.m.)

I think so..... Deborah d'Bajor (11/12/2007 4:20 a.m.)

Ch. 29 - William's gone; Edmund's gone... LaurieC (11/11/2007 11:53 p.m.)

Cold pork and egg shells Chpt 29 Tifah (11/12/2007 3:54 a.m.)
- Cold pork bones & mustard con amore... ;-D *nfm* LaurieC (11/12/2007 11:53 a.m.)
- 'Her uncle kindly left her to cry in peace' Joan Ellen (11/12/2007 9:02 a.m.)
  - Elinor! Miss Bates! LOL! Rachel G (11/12/2007 3:04 p.m.)
- LOL, yes. ;-D nfm Reeba (11/12/2007 3:57 a.m.)
It was a heavy ,melancholy day. Reeba (11/12/2007 2:29 a.m.)
- Mrs Norris and those jellies ! Mandy N (11/12/2007 6:38 a.m.)
  - I believe you're right! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/12/2007 8:57 a.m.)
- Only three! (though there was food enough for six I daresay) Tarn (11/12/2007 4:36 a.m.)
  - Thank you Tarn :-) Reeba (11/12/2007 3:18 p.m.)
- Florence Norris-gale ;-) Deborah d'Bajor (11/12/2007 4:23 a.m.)
  - LOL! ;-) (nfm) Moni (11/12/2007 8:56 a.m.)
  - The thought of La Norris Helen B (11/12/2007 6:00 a.m.)

Unrequited love - Chpt 27 Tifah (11/11/2007 5:41 p.m.)

He certainly loves her JoAnn (11/12/2007 1:15 a.m.)
- I agree with your observation that Edmund already loves... Adrian (11/12/2007 12:08 p.m.)
- Those two dearest objects.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/12/2007 4:26 a.m.)
  - Fanny is so gracious... Moni (11/12/2007 9:38 p.m.)

And the winner of the limerick contest is... LaurieC (11/11/2007 4:11 p.m.)

LOL!! My heart missed a beat... Reeba (11/11/2007 4:14 p.m.)

Mary praises Fanny to gain favor for herself - Chapter 28 Robbin (11/11/2007 7:19 a.m.)

Could it be that she really does love Edmund..... Lila (11/11/2007 10:04 p.m.)
- I think Mary does have feelings for Edmund, Mandy N (11/12/2007 12:32 a.m.)
IMO Mary was just as manipulative in Ch. 15 Adrian (11/11/2007 12:17 p.m.)
She probably feels that... Reeba (11/11/2007 11:04 a.m.)
'Popular manners' of the Crawfords Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 8:41 a.m.)
- Agreeable vs. manipulative Connie (11/11/2007 5:14 p.m.)
  - But is she hoping to marry him? JoAnn (11/12/2007 1:04 a.m.)
    - I think she is. Connie (11/12/2007 2:09 p.m.)
- Well said! Tifah (11/11/2007 4:48 p.m.)

Praising and interfering with Fanny – Chapter 28 Robbin (11/11/2007 6:59 a.m.)

Ch. 28 - Shewing her persuadableness LaurieC (11/11/2007 12:03 p.m.)
- I agree too... Robbin (11/11/2007 3:02 p.m.)
- That's how I read it too {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 1:08 p.m.)
  - I agree, and... Rachel G (11/11/2007 1:29 p.m.)
- Mr Crawford had been sitting.... Reeba (11/11/2007 12:21 p.m.)
  - Yes, Sir Thomas... Tifah (11/11/2007 5:06 p.m.)

Ch. 28 Mrs. Norris is still taking credit. Christopher (11/10/2007 10:58 p.m.)

Mrs Norris attempts to remind Sir Thomas. Mandy N (11/11/2007 11:20 a.m.)
- Mrs Norris on the wane. Rachel G (11/11/2007 2:10 p.m.)
  - The efficiency of Sir Thomas LaurieC (11/11/2007 4:03 p.m.)
    - Good observations JoAnn (11/12/2007 1:11 a.m.)
      - Lack of money worries? Tracy W (11/12/2007 8:50 a.m.)

Ch. 28 - Mutual vexation LaurieC (11/10/2007 10:40 p.m.)

Ch. 28 - The ball - scenery LaurieC (11/10/2007 10:21 p.m.)

Love the Lady Bertram moments. Reeba (11/11/2007 1:26 p.m.)
- Young men (plural) suggests that Tom was present... Adrian (11/11/2007 7:10 p.m.)
  - I've been wondering where Tom was, too Tifah (11/11/2007 7:29 p.m.)
    - My mistake: it was Edmund and William, not... Adrian (11/11/2007 9:07 p.m.)
      - Searching for Tom   LaurieC (11/11/2007 9:45 p.m.)
        
        Ah yes,   Tifah (11/12/2007 4:00 a.m.)
        
        Yates' exit is important in relation with Sir Thomas opinion   Graciela (11/12/2007 2:22 p.m.)
Mrs. Norris also tells Sir Thomas that... Christopher (11/10/2007 10:51 p.m.)
- I should think so.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/12/2007 4:37 a.m.)
  - I was under the impression Fanny's dress was white. Adrian (11/12/2007 12:18 p.m.)
    - White dresses Fannie (11/12/2007 2:18 p.m.)
      - The white dress with glossy spots Christopher (11/12/2007 2:44 p.m.)
- I assume so (nfm) JoAnn (11/12/2007 1:18 a.m.)
Ch. 28 - Previous balls at Mansfield Park? LaurieC (11/10/2007 10:28 p.m.)
- Business before pleasure... Tarn (11/11/2007 12:09 a.m.)
  - Sir Thomas and Mrs. Bennet ? Interesting comparison! (nfm) JoAnn (11/12/2007 1:20 a.m.)

LOL lines for Fanny ;-) Reeba (11/10/2007 7:39 p.m.)

LoL! I liked this section too. (;D) nfm Robbin (11/11/2007 5:07 a.m.)

I am shocked!! Reeba (11/10/2007 7:29 p.m.)

LoL! Robbin (11/11/2007 5:03 a.m.)
- It's that 'natural delicacy' bit that really gets me Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 8:46 a.m.)
  - Natural delicacy, Robbin (11/11/2007 11:38 a.m.)
  - IMO this proves... Reeba (11/11/2007 10:56 a.m.)

The necklace and Mary's change of manner Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 3:05 p.m.)

Perhaps because she's going to ask Reeba (11/10/2007 7:16 p.m.)
- I have not the pleasure of understanding you Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 8:48 a.m.)
  - 'Unwilling to lose her walk'. Reeba (11/11/2007 10:52 a.m.)
    - Do you mean... Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 1:13 p.m.)
      - Yes, I am of that opinion.   Reeba (11/11/2007 1:32 p.m.)
        
        A more sinister interpretation would be   Tifah (11/11/2007 5:22 p.m.)
        
        And we also see later that...   Moni (11/12/2007 9:49 p.m.)
        
        I think this is what is going on   Robbin (11/12/2007 2:41 p.m.)
        
        It is pretty standard...   Moni (11/12/2007 9:50 p.m.)
        
        That could be it   Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 4:16 p.m.)
        
        I doubt if this...   Reeba (11/11/2007 4:26 p.m.)

LOL line for Lady Bertram (Chapter 26) Rebecca K (11/10/2007 12:04 a.m.)

Lady Bertram's great exertion at making an objection Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 2:54 p.m.)
- Good heavens! Rachel G (11/10/2007 7:06 p.m.)
  - LOL!¨Yes, I fear you'd... Reeba (11/10/2007 7:13 p.m.)
    - But dear Pug would be SUCH a consolation! ;-) {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 7:25 p.m.)
      - LOL, nfm BarbaraB (11/10/2007 9:04 p.m.)

Ch. 27 - Queen of the Evening LaurieC (11/9/2007 8:38 p.m.)

Having not been brought up in the trade of 'coming out' Tarn (11/11/2007 12:46 a.m.)
- She was not expecting it Tifah (11/11/2007 5:52 p.m.)
  - Fanny and guests... Mandy N (11/11/2007 6:22 p.m.)
    - Curtseying Tifah (11/11/2007 6:59 p.m.)
- It's her comming out Robbin (11/11/2007 4:58 a.m.)

Ch. 27 - A token of the love... LaurieC (11/9/2007 8:26 p.m.)

Jane's tribute. Mandy N (11/10/2007 2:38 p.m.)
- Thank you for posting this LaurieC (11/10/2007 6:15 p.m.)
  - My pleasure, Laurie. :-) (nfm) Mandy N (11/10/2007 10:47 p.m.)
- Thanks, I wasn't aware of this. nfm Connie (11/10/2007 3:24 p.m.)
Fanny has it very bad! Rebecca K (11/9/2007 11:56 p.m.)
- Ch. 27 - Struggle against excessive affection LaurieC (11/10/2007 6:26 p.m.)
- Most precious treasures. Rachel G (11/10/2007 5:18 a.m.)
  - I was just about to post JoAnn (11/10/2007 1:47 p.m.)
    - Funny, but I was thinking of Anne and her letter! Reeba (11/10/2007 7:10 p.m.)

Mary furthers Henry's plans? Connie (11/9/2007 2:49 p.m.)

The necklace - Mary crosses the line. Rachel G (11/9/2007 7:23 p.m.)
- Very well said--black hats indeed! Thanks! (;D) nfm Robbin (11/10/2007 3:25 a.m.)
Crawford conspiracy.... Mandy N (11/9/2007 3:08 p.m.)
- I did not pick up on this.... Lila (11/10/2007 3:27 a.m.)
  - Mary's package untied... Mandy N (11/10/2007 5:24 a.m.)
    - Did Fanny and Mary discussed Fanny's dress previously? Graciela (11/12/2007 12:18 a.m.)
      - Dress preparations with Mary...   Mandy N (11/12/2007 7:38 a.m.)
        
        What confuses me about this necklace is...   Adrian (11/12/2007 12:31 p.m.)
        
        Good question,   Mandy N (11/12/2007 1:34 p.m.)
        
        Bad memory for distances?   Tracy W (11/12/2007 1:03 p.m.)
    - I'm not sure JoAnn (11/10/2007 2:08 p.m.)
      - The reason it attacted her attention was... Christopher (11/10/2007 2:34 p.m.)
        
        I guess I imagined JoAnn (11/10/2007 6:08 p.m.)
  - Good catch! Rachel G (11/10/2007 4:51 a.m.)
    - dangerous liaisons indeed Tifah (11/10/2007 1:43 p.m.)
- LOL Mandy. Reeba (11/9/2007 5:58 p.m.)

Ducks and drakes (chapter 23) Graciela (11/8/2007 10:57 p.m.)

Living at home. Lila (11/10/2007 3:37 a.m.)
- Henry's understanding LaurieC (11/10/2007 11:58 a.m.)
Thank you Graciela. Reeba (11/9/2007 5:53 p.m.)
Thank you for this! JoAnn (11/8/2007 11:58 p.m.)

Ch. 26 - Another Lady Bertram moment LaurieC (11/8/2007 10:53 p.m.)

CH 25 And Sir Thomas' suggestion that she play.... Reeba (11/9/2007 5:49 p.m.)
- This made me think JoAnn (11/10/2007 2:14 p.m.)
- Ch. 27 - Lady Bertram's odd behavior LaurieC (11/9/2007 8:32 p.m.)
  - Unprompted- she sent Mrs Chapman ! Mandy N (11/10/2007 4:26 a.m.)
    - Good interpretation! (nfm) Connie (11/10/2007 3:27 p.m.)

Ch. 26 - Mary's scheduled departure LaurieC (11/8/2007 10:40 p.m.)

Ch. 26 - Ordination and Matrimony LaurieC (11/8/2007 10:31 p.m.)

Yes, it's clear that... Moni (11/12/2007 8:17 a.m.)
"Points on which they did not quite agree" Rachel G (11/9/2007 4:24 a.m.)
- He thinks she encouraged him. Reeba (11/9/2007 5:45 p.m.)
  - You are right. Rachel G (11/10/2007 4:23 a.m.)
- Perhaps he is deceived Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:36 a.m.)
- She's more coy than that Tifah (11/9/2007 6:09 a.m.)
  - Edmund's infatuation... Mandy N (11/9/2007 1:48 p.m.)
    - What's stopping Mary from a change? Lack of 'conscience'? Reeba (11/10/2007 9:50 a.m.)
      - Conscience and change.   Rachel G (11/10/2007 6:07 p.m.)
        
        Great post!   Robbin (11/11/2007 4:08 a.m.)
        
        Attraction, tolerance & change.   Rachel G (11/11/2007 9:03 a.m.)
        
        Mary still not equal to discuss with herself   Robbin (11/11/2007 2:46 p.m.)
        
        Perhaps, having grown up with her uncle the Admiral,...   Adrian (11/11/2007 7:19 p.m.)
        
        Good point! nfm   Connie (11/14/2007 12:35 a.m.)
        
        Of course! - Mary is reacting to an abuser.   Rachel G (11/12/2007 2:29 p.m.)
        
        Yes, an excellent point indeed! {nfm}   Joan Ellen (11/12/2007 8:19 a.m.)
        
        Excellent point!   Luc (11/11/2007 11:11 p.m.)
        
        Thanks, wonderful post nfm   BarbaraB (11/10/2007 9:45 p.m.)
        
        Thank you Rachel :-)   Reeba (11/10/2007 7:51 p.m.)
        
        Sorry for Mary   Rachel G (11/11/2007 5:55 a.m.)
        
        Actually, I do too   BarbaraB (11/11/2007 1:44 p.m.)
        
        Great insights.   Mandy N (11/11/2007 7:55 a.m.)
        
        Very astute observations   Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 6:58 p.m.)
        
        Mary's Pipe Dream   Adrian (11/10/2007 6:52 p.m.)
        
        Yes...   Rachel G (11/10/2007 8:24 p.m.)
      - Mary, the material girl... Mandy N (11/10/2007 12:15 p.m.)
  - He gives her more credit than he should Lisa M. (11/9/2007 1:18 p.m.)
    - IMO Edmund *has* blinded himself to his earlier... Adrian (11/9/2007 1:42 p.m.)

Academy Award winning performer.... Lila (11/8/2007 6:45 p.m.)

Why change Fanny? Robbin (11/10/2007 3:11 a.m.)
- Great excerpt! -- (Quite horrid!) -- thanks! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 9:41 a.m.)
- Very nice. Thank you for the quotes Robbin. Lila (11/10/2007 3:57 a.m.)
  - Mrs. Norris as tutor Robbin (11/13/2007 1:40 a.m.)
  - I don't find this "blasphemous." Connie (11/10/2007 3:38 p.m.)
- Great minds! Rachel G (11/10/2007 3:49 a.m.)
  - No link. Lila (11/10/2007 4:00 a.m.)
    - Gregory - A Father's Legacy Rachel G (11/10/2007 4:56 a.m.)
      - Wonderful! Robbin (11/10/2007 5:48 a.m.)
        
        Poor Mr Norris! (Glad you like it.) nfm Rachel G (11/10/2007 7:05 a.m.)
My sense is that "masks" in JA's time were... Adrian (11/9/2007 1:21 p.m.)
Bits of Irony Luc (11/8/2007 10:27 p.m.)
- 'unchecked, equal, fearless intercourse' Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:41 a.m.)
she has to hide her feelings LouAnn (11/8/2007 8:44 p.m.)
- I agree. Connie (11/9/2007 12:04 a.m.)
  - Exactly! Rebecca K (11/9/2007 3:13 a.m.)
    - not blind Fannie (11/9/2007 2:04 p.m.)
      - True Rebecca K (11/10/2007 12:09 a.m.)

Sir Thomas. Lila (11/8/2007 6:23 p.m.)

He's hard to pin down Rachel G (11/8/2007 9:36 p.m.)
- Agree and perhaps... Moni (11/12/2007 7:40 a.m.)
- Ch 25: Why is Fanny afraid when William asks his uncle Graciela (11/9/2007 9:49 p.m.)
  - My guess... Rachel G (11/10/2007 3:18 a.m.)
    - That would be an understandable reaction on her part Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 3:13 p.m.)
      - Good point. nfm Rachel G (11/10/2007 5:08 p.m.)
- I think you're right nan duval (11/9/2007 8:53 a.m.)
- I like Sir Thomas Luc (11/8/2007 10:48 p.m.)
  - Nice Post, Thanks nfm BarbaraB (11/10/2007 8:30 p.m.)
  - Good point re. Edmund. nfm Rachel G (11/9/2007 3:22 a.m.)
I'm right there with you Tifah (11/8/2007 7:24 p.m.)
- Sir Thomas seems a paradox. Mandy N (11/11/2007 8:27 a.m.)
  - 'Tenderness, empathy and imagination' Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 8:52 a.m.)
    - Oh yes, but... Mandy N (11/11/2007 10:43 a.m.)
      - Yes Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 4:21 p.m.)
- I come to wonder if Maria and Julia's shortcomings are due... Adrian (11/9/2007 12:56 p.m.)

Ch.25 Asking directions (or not!) Rachel G (11/8/2007 6:25 a.m.)

Some things never change… Robbin (11/8/2007 6:37 a.m.)
- Losing track, Mandy N (11/8/2007 9:51 a.m.)
  - A link on the same subject Tarn (11/9/2007 7:18 a.m.)
    - Wow, great website Tarn -- thanks! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 9:15 a.m.)
  - Interesting... Robbin (11/8/2007 1:53 p.m.)

Ch. 25 - Pointed comments, double meanings LaurieC (11/7/2007 11:14 p.m.)

I never inquire. Reeba (11/9/2007 5:35 p.m.)
- Good catch Reeba… Robbin (11/10/2007 2:23 a.m.)
Even Lady Bertram Tarn (11/9/2007 6:32 a.m.)
A woman of spirit. Rachel G (11/8/2007 5:07 p.m.)
How do you play Speculation? nfm Connie (11/8/2007 3:29 p.m.)
- The Rules of Speculation JulieW (11/8/2007 6:07 p.m.)
- Wikipedia - rules for speculation Christopher (11/8/2007 5:44 p.m.)
  - Thanks, all. nfm Connie (11/8/2007 11:22 p.m.)
- Rules of speculation Jennifer B (11/8/2007 5:25 p.m.)
Speculation.... Mandy N (11/8/2007 11:34 a.m.)
- Symbolizing the 'state of play' Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 9:13 a.m.)
Henry’s improvements for Thornton Lacey Robbin (11/8/2007 12:58 a.m.)
- They were for himself. He wanted to rent it. Reeba (11/9/2007 5:22 p.m.)
  - Henry's fancy for Thorton Lacey Mandy N (11/10/2007 9:45 a.m.)
- Yes, I agree Tifah (11/8/2007 2:27 p.m.)
- Henry on Thornton Lacey Rachel G (11/8/2007 7:45 a.m.)
  - Henry's role Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:26 a.m.)
    - His estate Patricia M (11/12/2007 2:49 p.m.)
      - Wouldn't he have to stay settled to do that? Crystal (11/12/2007 4:27 p.m.)
        
        There wasn't much to improve on his estate Joan Ellen (11/12/2007 5:09 p.m.)
    - Mary seems to share the same feelings Graciela (11/9/2007 8:46 p.m.)
      - Good observation Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 9:46 a.m.)
    - Maybe if he had Fannie (11/9/2007 1:57 p.m.)
      - I agree {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 3:45 p.m.)
  - I don't think Mary's future comes into it. Connie (11/8/2007 3:13 p.m.)
  - Speculation! Deborah d'Bajor (11/8/2007 11:24 a.m.)

Ch. 25 - What Sir Thomas saw LaurieC (11/7/2007 10:49 p.m.)

It's all the more amazing Connie (11/8/2007 2:58 p.m.)
- Absolutely BarbaraB (11/8/2007 11:02 p.m.)
  - This always drove me crazy as well Lisa M. (11/9/2007 5:03 p.m.)
  - I think his sensitivity is newly acquired Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:31 a.m.)
    - Yes... BarbaraB (11/10/2007 6:39 p.m.)
    - I agree. He can 'see' Mrs Norris... Reeba (11/9/2007 5:09 p.m.)
      - Good observations Connie (11/10/2007 3:50 p.m.)
        
        Sir T is not there yet BarbaraB (11/10/2007 8:26 p.m.)
    - Plus Patricia N (11/9/2007 11:36 a.m.)
I agree Robbin (11/8/2007 1:05 a.m.)
- Yes, the coward! Elbè (11/8/2007 2:55 a.m.)

Here are the limericks! Vote before Monday... LaurieC (11/7/2007 5:26 p.m.)

Fanny's change... Elbè (11/7/2007 4:48 p.m.)

More complexity revealed Connie (11/7/2007 5:04 p.m.)
- JA = amazing Crystal (11/7/2007 5:08 p.m.)
  - In complete agreement! (nfm) Elbè (11/7/2007 5:12 p.m.)

Fanny's hairstyle? Elbè (11/7/2007 4:42 p.m.)

Fashionable? Crystal (11/7/2007 4:46 p.m.)
- Here is a link ... Christopher (11/7/2007 5:16 p.m.)
  - à la guillotine? Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:58 a.m.)
  - Fanny's hair- 'that queer fashion'. Mandy N (11/7/2007 9:18 p.m.)
    - as someone with long hair Fannie (11/7/2007 9:44 p.m.)
    - Perhaps her hair was ... Christopher (11/7/2007 9:29 p.m.)
  - Thanks! Crystal (11/7/2007 6:57 p.m.)
  - Thanks, Christopher - I was surprised! Elbè (11/7/2007 5:34 p.m.)
    - There is a commentary to the blog ... Graciela (11/8/2007 3:42 p.m.)

Love JA's voice here commenting on relationships in MP Elbè (11/7/2007 4:32 p.m.)

JA speaking herself. Reeba (11/7/2007 4:32 p.m.)

I wonder... Elbè (11/7/2007 5:10 p.m.)
- The tone of that... Reeba (11/8/2007 7:08 a.m.)
  - It tickles me excessively - so curious now! -nfm Elbè (11/8/2007 5:49 p.m.)
LOL - had a similar moment of inspiration - jinx! ;D (nfm) Elbè (11/7/2007 4:35 p.m.)

William is my favourite character! Elbè (11/7/2007 4:25 p.m.)

Charles Austen: the inspiration of William Price? Graciela (11/7/2007 5:12 p.m.)
- William - 'the proof of good principles.' Mandy N (11/8/2007 1:27 a.m.)
  - Yes, his presence brings... Moni (11/10/2007 7:53 p.m.)
- Thanks! Very interesting, Graciela! nfm Elbè (11/7/2007 5:15 p.m.)
The most charming young man in the world is immediately before us Crystal (11/7/2007 4:50 p.m.)
- LOL! Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:44 a.m.)
Missed some... Elbè (11/7/2007 4:44 p.m.)

Mansfield sans Crawfords William L (11/7/2007 3:51 p.m.)

Mary's concern for Fanny having her horse? Crystal (11/7/2007 4:01 p.m.)
- True, but William L (11/7/2007 4:16 p.m.)
  - Quicker to realize Crystal (11/7/2007 4:52 p.m.)
  - Perhaps she was aware of it all along... Reeba (11/7/2007 4:22 p.m.)

Favorite quote (Ch. 22) JoAnn (11/7/2007 2:47 p.m.)

Yes, I think this is magnificent... Moni (11/8/2007 8:15 a.m.)
- Yep - completely lost on Mary JoAnn (11/8/2007 12:20 p.m.)

Last call for limericks over chapters 1 - 21 LaurieC (11/6/2007 10:16 p.m.)

Ch. 24 - Henry observed LaurieC (11/6/2007 10:12 p.m.)

What Henry could have been Connie (11/7/2007 4:54 p.m.)
*rather eager than lasting* Reeba (11/7/2007 3:57 p.m.)
- Important thought... Moni (11/10/2007 8:01 p.m.)
'Moral taste' Joan Ellen (11/7/2007 8:28 a.m.)
- Constancy in Henry ? Mandy N (11/7/2007 10:13 a.m.)
  - Similarity in Henry and Mary Tifah (11/7/2007 3:47 p.m.)
  - Constancy Joan Ellen (11/7/2007 11:02 a.m.)
Not so much a man of the world... Tarn (11/6/2007 10:49 p.m.)
You are too kind to him. nan duval (11/6/2007 10:21 p.m.)
- I completely agree JoAnn (11/9/2007 1:35 p.m.)
- Hunting Elbè (11/7/2007 5:41 a.m.)
  - putting a hole in Fanny Price's heart LouAnn (11/8/2007 1:57 p.m.)
- Yes - I agree! Deborah d'Bajor (11/7/2007 4:22 a.m.)

Ch. 24 - William LaurieC (11/6/2007 9:44 p.m.)

And keeping Mrs Norris away...Sir Thomas takes on.. Reeba (11/7/2007 3:43 p.m.)
Henry reminding me of Mrs Norris here! Elbè (11/7/2007 5:29 a.m.)
- At least he is thanked for his kind intention Graciela (11/9/2007 9:59 p.m.)
- I had the same thought! JoAnn (11/9/2007 1:37 p.m.)
  - LOL! -nfm Elbè (11/10/2007 12:17 p.m.)
Indeed, it's adorable Tracy W (11/7/2007 4:27 a.m.)

Ch. 24 - Henry's next plan LaurieC (11/6/2007 9:31 p.m.)

It's an ugly thing he proposes... Moni (11/8/2007 9:44 a.m.)
The hole in the heart. I was wondering Reeba (11/7/2007 11:38 a.m.)
- I think it's more than that Crystal (11/7/2007 11:59 a.m.)
  - Yes, and Mary's comment.... Moni (11/8/2007 9:53 a.m.)
  - Henry’s plan—like & love Robbin (11/8/2007 2:12 a.m.)
    - Henry goes beyond nan duval (11/8/2007 12:41 p.m.)
      - "Evil" is exactly the right word. (nfm) JoAnn (11/9/2007 1:40 p.m.)
      - Villain, thy name is Henry Robbin (11/9/2007 12:03 a.m.)
  - You are absolutely right, Crystal. Reeba (11/7/2007 3:50 p.m.)
  - I agee with you, Crystal Rachel G (11/7/2007 12:58 p.m.)
    - Rachel - please use... LaurieC (11/7/2007 2:27 p.m.)
      - Oops! Sorry!! nfm Rachel G (11/7/2007 2:34 p.m.)
I think this is a bit of witty hyperbole Joan Ellen (11/7/2007 8:16 a.m.)
- Henry allows himself great latitude on such points Robbin (11/8/2007 2:48 a.m.)
  - Henry the Entertainer Luc (11/8/2007 11:23 p.m.)
    - Henry is wrong and reckless Robbin (11/9/2007 1:18 a.m.)
      - Indeed   Luc (11/9/2007 3:13 a.m.)
        
        Henry enjoys intrigue   Robbin (11/9/2007 7:48 p.m.)
        
        Flirtations   Luc (11/9/2007 9:52 p.m.)
        
        I believe his preference   nan duval (11/9/2007 9:48 p.m.)
        
        I do think Julia was partly a blind--good point. (;D) nfm   Robbin (11/10/2007 3:20 a.m.)
        
        Yes, as Edmund said, although perhaps with the...   Adrian (11/10/2007 1:35 p.m.)
        
        LoL! (;D) nfm   Robbin (11/10/2007 7:22 p.m.)
        
        I agree with most of your points, Luc   Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 8:10 a.m.)
        
        It's pointed action   Connie (11/9/2007 2:36 p.m.)
        
        'He doesn't feel any affection for Fanny'... yet   Joan Ellen (11/9/2007 3:55 p.m.)
        
        Cutting to the chase on Henry   Robbin (11/10/2007 12:04 a.m.)
        
        Henry's Intent   BarbaraB (11/10/2007 8:09 p.m.)
        
        Levels of Intent   Luc (11/11/2007 6:32 a.m.)
        
        A Good Catch   BarbaraB (11/11/2007 10:27 p.m.)
        
        Henry as a Good Catch   Luc (11/11/2007 11:43 p.m.)
        
        Great posts, both of you   Crystal (11/10/2007 9:38 p.m.)
        
        I believe we must agree to disagree   Joan Ellen (11/10/2007 9:25 a.m.)
        
        Henry’s intentions   Robbin (11/11/2007 4:44 a.m.)
        
        I might be more inclined to vilify Henry...   Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 7:59 a.m.)
        
        Well said, Joan Ellen!   Luc (11/11/2007 8:41 a.m.)
        
        So glad you were able to get the article   Joan Ellen (11/11/2007 8:57 a.m.)
  - I also agree: well said. nfm BarbaraB (11/8/2007 10:10 p.m.)
  - Agreed, nan duval (11/8/2007 12:43 p.m.)
Oooh!!! Rose G (11/7/2007 7:30 a.m.)
That mean ol' Henry! Rebecca K (11/6/2007 11:50 p.m.)
- Henry is callous. Mandy N (11/7/2007 6:08 a.m.)
Crawford revealed! nan duval (11/6/2007 10:17 p.m.)
The Cad!!! Fannie (11/6/2007 9:43 p.m.)
- And Mary! Crystal (11/6/2007 10:19 p.m.)
  - Mary's role in all this JoAnn (11/9/2007 1:54 p.m.)
  - Not surprised about the Crawfords Adrian (11/7/2007 12:54 p.m.)
    - Yes Crystal (11/7/2007 1:57 p.m.)
  - I couldn't agree more Jennifer B (11/7/2007 2:21 a.m.)

Fanny speaks up. Rachel G (11/6/2007 6:48 p.m.)

It's about time... Lila (11/7/2007 8:01 p.m.)
Fanny expressing anger Joan Ellen (11/7/2007 1:32 p.m.)
Henry has crossed the line by talking of Sir Thomas Adrian (11/7/2007 12:42 p.m.)
And what was Henry thinking? Deborah d'Bajor (11/7/2007 4:28 a.m.)
- This guy needs... Moni (11/8/2007 9:59 a.m.)
- Henry charms, he doesn't think! Rose G (11/7/2007 7:25 a.m.)
  - I'm not sure... Jennifer B (11/7/2007 2:22 p.m.)
    - I agree Patricia N (11/7/2007 10:14 p.m.)
  - Quite so! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/7/2007 8:29 a.m.)

Well done Sir Thomas! Well done indeed!! Rachel G (11/6/2007 6:00 p.m.)

A great moment!! :-) Reeba (11/6/2007 6:34 p.m.)

Two women.. Reeba (11/6/2007 5:31 p.m.)

Commitment Tarn (11/6/2007 11:33 p.m.)
- Not financially-equal? Tracy W (11/7/2007 4:25 a.m.)
  - Mary's point of veiw Tarn (11/8/2007 4:12 a.m.)

Henry is clever Elbè (11/6/2007 4:52 p.m.)

And he is back Tarn (11/9/2007 7:29 a.m.)
- Good Question Jean (11/9/2007 9:38 a.m.)
  - Maybe, Mandy N (11/9/2007 11:28 a.m.)
    - Henry's return LaurieC (11/9/2007 1:28 p.m.)
      - Suspicious as I am Robbin (11/10/2007 2:21 a.m.)

Go Fanny, go! Elbè (11/6/2007 4:49 p.m.)

Who says Fanny is bland? ;-) Reeba (11/6/2007 5:10 p.m.)
- Well, she does feel quite a bit... Lila (11/7/2007 8:07 p.m.)
  - Can you imagine how it would be... Reeba (11/8/2007 7:04 a.m.)
- Passionate indeed. Rachel G (11/6/2007 8:33 p.m.)
  - How about comparison with Elinor? JoAnn (11/7/2007 12:44 p.m.)
    - Agreed, great catch! Crystal (11/7/2007 1:54 p.m.)
    - A good connection! Rachel G (11/7/2007 12:56 p.m.)
  - Turbo Fanny Robbin (11/7/2007 5:26 a.m.)

Ch.23 Lady Bertram Rachel G (11/6/2007 3:20 p.m.)

An example of a bad marriage Tracy W (11/7/2007 4:50 a.m.)
- A bad marriage? Rachel G (11/7/2007 7:51 a.m.)
  - I'm a little puzzled Tracy W (11/7/2007 11:17 a.m.)
    - A matter of definition... Rachel G (11/7/2007 12:45 p.m.)
      - Are you referring to Sir Thomas & Lady Bertram's marriage nan duval (11/7/2007 9:23 p.m.)
        
        Relationship, Mandy N (11/7/2007 11:54 p.m.)
Evil characters everywhere! Connie (11/6/2007 4:00 p.m.)

Ch. 23 - The Uninvited LaurieC (11/5/2007 11:25 p.m.)

LOL! A red letter day -- Joan Ellen (11/6/2007 8:23 a.m.)
- Ch. 23 - A carriage for Fanny LaurieC (11/6/2007 12:32 p.m.)
  - My guess would be that Sir Thomas Joan Ellen (11/6/2007 1:52 p.m.)
    - On reading this quote again... JoAnn (11/7/2007 2:35 p.m.)
      - It may be both LouAnn (11/8/2007 9:23 a.m.)
        
        On why Mrs. N feels complimented JoAnn (11/8/2007 12:23 p.m.)
  - Yet, if Fanny were the second bridesmaid,... Adrian (11/6/2007 12:41 p.m.)
    - LOL!;-D (nfm) Moni (11/8/2007 9:47 a.m.)
    - That's what I thought, too LouAnn (11/6/2007 2:28 p.m.)
- 'never used to ask her'. Mandy N (11/6/2007 9:51 a.m.)
  - By special invitation? LaurieC (11/6/2007 11:58 a.m.)
  - Or maybe "in the' never' of conversation, Joan Ellen (11/6/2007 10:57 a.m.)

Ch. 23 - Mrs. Norris' table envy. LaurieC (11/5/2007 11:17 p.m.)

Ch. 25 - Still disapproving LaurieC (11/8/2007 11:44 a.m.)
LOL!! I love the comparison :-D Reeba (11/6/2007 4:26 p.m.)
LOL Rebecca K (11/6/2007 5:09 a.m.)

Being brought forward Connie (11/5/2007 4:16 p.m.)

Ch. 23 - Fanny's favourite indulgence LaurieC (11/6/2007 12:56 p.m.)
- The Principal Lady Deborah d'Bajor (11/7/2007 4:37 a.m.)
  - What does principal lady mean? LouAnn (11/7/2007 11:52 a.m.)
- Fanny's thoughts.... Mandy N (11/7/2007 4:24 a.m.)
  - I agree. Well said. nfm (;D) Robbin (11/7/2007 5:08 a.m.)

A kind of fascination. (Ch.22) Rachel G (11/5/2007 4:13 p.m.)

What kind of fascination? Luc (11/5/2007 10:01 p.m.)
I find this a very... Reeba (11/5/2007 6:12 p.m.)
Mary is a charming person Robbin (11/5/2007 5:26 p.m.)
- addictive - like self-harm... Ra (11/5/2007 6:02 p.m.)
  - Rubbing her own face in her limitations? Robbin (11/6/2007 7:26 a.m.)
  - This rings true... Rachel G (11/5/2007 7:16 p.m.)
    - Yes, but... JoAnn (11/7/2007 2:41 p.m.)
    - Besides that Patricia N (11/5/2007 10:41 p.m.)

Grrrrr, Mary!!! *NOW* it's his name!!¨ Reeba (11/5/2007 7:39 a.m.)

Thank you, Thank you, Sir Thomas!!!! Reeba (11/10/2007 10:49 a.m.)
Take long, deep breaths, Reeba... ;-) JoAnn (11/7/2007 3:02 p.m.)
- LOL!! Advice taken ;-) nfm Reeba (11/7/2007 3:44 p.m.)
What I can't figure out is... Lila (11/5/2007 5:32 p.m.)
- What does Mary see in Edmund...? Rachel G (11/5/2007 6:58 p.m.)
  - I know he has all the qualities you mention. what I meant was... Lila (11/6/2007 6:02 p.m.)
    - Not intentional Tracy W (11/7/2007 4:10 a.m.)
      - You make good points, but... Lila (11/7/2007 4:45 p.m.)
        
        I can't see your email address Tracy W (11/8/2007 4:36 a.m.)
      - Poor Mary's in a pickle, nfm Fannie (11/7/2007 2:26 p.m.)
    - I think Mary overestimates herself Crystal (11/6/2007 7:15 p.m.)
  - Besotted, Mandy N (11/5/2007 7:14 p.m.)
    - Yes. Rachel G (11/5/2007 7:21 p.m.)
Money/position over character Connie (11/5/2007 3:05 p.m.)
Mary is determined to be unsatisfied. Tifah (11/5/2007 2:05 p.m.)
- I find it ironic Joan Ellen (11/5/2007 3:53 p.m.)
  - Riches and distinction are her ends... Mandy N (11/5/2007 6:30 p.m.)
    - Mary wants to have her cake & eat it too Joan Ellen (11/6/2007 8:09 a.m.)
      - Jinx Joan Ellen ;-) nfm Reeba (11/6/2007 8:47 a.m.)
    - Well in all fairness to Mary Tracy W (11/6/2007 3:53 a.m.)
      - It's hardly the same kind of change. In fact its *NOT*   Reeba (11/6/2007 6:33 a.m.)
        
        There strikes me as a mirroring   Tracy W (11/6/2007 7:48 a.m.)
        
        One of the attractions of the potential relationship...   Adrian (11/6/2007 12:56 p.m.)
        
        I doubt that Edmund would...   Reeba (11/6/2007 5:05 p.m.)
        
        But Edmund 's risking his life compared to Mary's cake ;-) nfm   Reeba (11/6/2007 8:11 a.m.)
        
        Ohh, how shocking ;-0   Mandy N (11/6/2007 8:33 a.m.)
      - Edmund has not committed Mandy N (11/6/2007 4:44 a.m.)
        
        Nor has Mary committed to Edmund. nfm Rachel G (11/6/2007 4:49 a.m.)
PS: Tom seems to have... Reeba (11/5/2007 10:21 a.m.)
- more experience ... Ra (11/5/2007 6:11 p.m.)
  - Tom's girlfriends?? Tifah (11/5/2007 6:48 p.m.)
    - Miss Anderson...Miss Sneyd... Ra (11/6/2007 6:27 a.m.)
      - Which is all the more... Reeba (11/6/2007 6:39 a.m.)
- I don't think he ever was Tifah (11/5/2007 2:12 p.m.)
- On Tom, Mandy N (11/5/2007 11:47 a.m.)

Mary bored in the country Robbin (11/5/2007 1:10 a.m.)

Mrs Grant's 'easy self-deceit'. Mandy N (11/5/2007 10:02 a.m.)
Self-deceit Ramya (11/5/2007 2:00 a.m.)
She didn't see the need to improve Fanny last year Tarn (11/5/2007 1:25 a.m.)
- And Edmund felt as much Adrian (11/5/2007 12:14 p.m.)

Mary's "great discernment" Connie (11/5/2007 12:40 a.m.)

The phrase that caught my attention here was... Adrian (11/5/2007 12:05 p.m.)
Well it should be pretty clear why delicacy did not forbid Tracy W (11/5/2007 6:13 a.m.)
Especially considering Crystal (11/5/2007 12:46 a.m.)

Ch. 22 - Five months in the country LaurieC (11/5/2007 12:18 a.m.)

Dr Grant's philosophy of ... Reeba (11/5/2007 6:00 p.m.)
- Thanks Reeba BarbaraB (11/7/2007 6:14 p.m.)
  - :-) nfm Reeba (11/8/2007 7:10 a.m.)
Quiet or merry? Connie (11/5/2007 4:25 p.m.)
- Excellent point! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/6/2007 8:40 a.m.)
Fanny and Mary... Mandy N (11/5/2007 11:18 a.m.)
- The doge - of Genoa? Tarn (11/5/2007 7:52 p.m.)
  - The famous Doge. Mandy N (11/6/2007 9:22 a.m.)
    - Thank you Mandy (nfm) Tarn (11/10/2007 12:55 a.m.)
  - What Voltaire said Graciela (11/5/2007 10:25 p.m.)
    - Thank you Graciela Tarn (11/5/2007 11:53 p.m.)
  - Here's what I found LaurieC (11/5/2007 8:42 p.m.)
    - Voltaire dissed Shakesphere! ( :-O ) Thanks Laurie (nfm) Tarn (11/5/2007 11:57 p.m.)
- This is the chapter that changed my opinion of Mary. Lila (11/5/2007 5:26 p.m.)
- On Memory LaurieC (11/5/2007 12:03 p.m.)
  - Not only that Joan Ellen (11/5/2007 3:35 p.m.)
    - I found her rhapsody on memory nan duval (11/7/2007 8:45 p.m.)
      - Masters? Tarn (11/10/2007 1:39 a.m.)
        
        Mrs Norris' influence? Rachel G (11/10/2007 3:10 a.m.)
      - Music and drawing take practice (time). Adrian (11/8/2007 1:43 p.m.)
        
        Good point. nfm nan duval (11/8/2007 5:33 p.m.)
      - Fanny's limitation.   Mandy N (11/8/2007 4:27 a.m.)
        
        Some of the works...   Moni (11/8/2007 8:07 a.m.)
        
        Seems quite possible,   Mandy N (11/8/2007 8:44 a.m.)
        
        Have just re-read Mrs Norris'...   Moni (11/8/2007 9:41 a.m.)
    - And she knew every part!... Elbè (11/6/2007 10:05 a.m.)
      - I agree BarbaraB (11/7/2007 6:09 p.m.)
      - This passage is reminiscent of Fanny's admiration...   Adrian (11/6/2007 1:01 p.m.)
        
        Wonder of the night sky.   Mandy N (11/8/2007 3:33 a.m.)
        
        Empress or not, ;-) Fanny seems almost uniquely to...   Adrian (11/8/2007 1:31 p.m.)
        
        I agree—great points Adrian. Thank you! (nfm)   Robbin (11/9/2007 1:23 a.m.)
        
        This is where she shines...   Moni (11/8/2007 8:03 a.m.)
        
        Sweet! nfm (;D)   Robbin (11/8/2007 6:26 a.m.)
- Again Mary makes a pun? Adrian (11/5/2007 11:56 a.m.)
  - I don't believe Fanny uses wonderful ... Christopher (11/5/2007 3:19 p.m.)
  - Mary could mean it the same way Connie (11/5/2007 3:12 p.m.)
Mansfield just past us! Tarn (11/5/2007 6:29 a.m.)
- Ahh - Country living! LOL! Rachel G (11/5/2007 8:58 a.m.)
  - Lovely Post BarbaraB (11/7/2007 5:58 p.m.)
Ch. 22 - background noise LaurieC (11/5/2007 12:33 a.m.)
- The clock would be in the church tower, no? Tarn (11/5/2007 7:24 a.m.)
  - The clock could be on the Stable Block Rachel G (11/6/2007 4:45 a.m.)
    - Food for thought, thank you Rachel (nfm) Tarn (11/10/2007 1:41 a.m.)
    - Nice picture, thanks! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/6/2007 8:40 a.m.)

Two bridesmaids - is Fanny one of them? nfm Rachel G (11/4/2007 11:03 a.m.)

Who’s that bridesmaid? Robbin (11/4/2007 12:57 p.m.)
- I think so... Deborah d'Bajor (11/5/2007 4:32 a.m.)
  - LOL, the onion!;-D (nfm) Moni (11/8/2007 8:12 a.m.)

Fanny's prettiness is noticed. Rachel G (11/4/2007 11:01 a.m.)

Oh definitely. Lila (11/5/2007 5:05 p.m.)
Edmund unaware of his own feelings? Connie (11/4/2007 4:28 p.m.)
- Do I follow your meaning? Tracy W (11/5/2007 6:57 a.m.)
  - Sort of. Connie (11/5/2007 3:46 p.m.)
    - Thank you for explaining Tracy W (11/6/2007 2:36 p.m.)
    - Very well put, Connie! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/5/2007 3:55 p.m.)
- I agree with your theory! nfm Rebecca K (11/5/2007 1:39 a.m.)
I thought Fanny's feelings for Edmund were clear Joan Ellen (11/4/2007 2:30 p.m.)
- Hmm... Yes and no. Rachel G (11/5/2007 2:18 p.m.)
  - Fanny's lack of concern in the dance.... Lila (11/5/2007 5:18 p.m.)
    - Well... Rachel G (11/5/2007 6:27 p.m.)
      - Considering how dances at a ball were arranged... Adrian (11/5/2007 8:54 p.m.)
  - You're right Joan Ellen (11/5/2007 3:42 p.m.)
I hadn't even.. Reeba (11/4/2007 1:48 p.m.)
Ch. 21 - Pretty woman LaurieC (11/4/2007 1:04 p.m.)
Edmund’s secret admirer Robbin (11/4/2007 12:41 p.m.)

It was done... Reeba (11/4/2007 5:22 a.m.)

Ch. 21 - Marrying Mr. Rushworth LaurieC (11/4/2007 1:29 p.m.)
- It's almost like she must... Moni (11/7/2007 10:22 a.m.)
- I don't see that he could have done a lot more Louise H (11/4/2007 4:03 p.m.)
  - He could have forbidden the marriage Tracy W (11/5/2007 7:16 a.m.)
    - Something to bear in mind JulieW (11/6/2007 12:09 p.m.)
      - Yes, Sir Thomas handled this... Moni (11/7/2007 10:17 a.m.)
    - Not without a great social cost Louise H (11/5/2007 9:59 p.m.)
      - What's wrong with the reason you give? Tracy W (11/6/2007 3:43 a.m.)
    - Do you think Sir Thomas may not have forbidden... Lila (11/5/2007 4:59 p.m.)
      - Don't think so Tracy W (11/6/2007 3:49 a.m.)
  - I don't disagree LaurieC (11/4/2007 5:10 p.m.)
    - But is she fully adult? Tarn (11/4/2007 10:54 p.m.)
      - In chapter 4 LaurieC (11/4/2007 11:34 p.m.)
- Sir Thomas' rationalisations - parallels. Rachel G (11/4/2007 2:24 p.m.)
  - That was me BarbaraB (11/6/2007 11:29 p.m.)
    - Thanks for explaining. Agree it's sad. Rachel G (11/7/2007 7:19 a.m.)
  - Rationalisations indeed Tracy W (11/5/2007 7:27 a.m.)
    - And the other reason as well: that Maria, not fond of... Adrian (11/5/2007 12:31 p.m.)
  - Ch. 21 - Marrying for money, etc. LaurieC (11/4/2007 2:43 p.m.)
    - I wonder which... Reeba (11/4/2007 3:03 p.m.)
      - One of my favorite lines Anne Lydia (11/4/2007 3:27 p.m.)

Don't forget - limerick contest (chs. 1 - 21) LaurieC (11/4/2007 12:24 a.m.)

Ch. 21 - Edmund gets chatty LaurieC (11/4/2007 12:21 a.m.)

His view on the Grants etc Reeba (11/4/2007 10:05 a.m.)
- Honest with himself Robbin (11/4/2007 12:26 p.m.)
  - Answers :-) Reeba (11/4/2007 1:21 p.m.)
    - Edmund was intoxicated Robbin (11/4/2007 4:24 p.m.)
      - You have understood me... Reeba (11/4/2007 5:14 p.m.)
        
        I did notice... Robbin (11/4/2007 6:01 p.m.)

Ch. 21 - Changes in atmosphere LaurieC (11/4/2007 12:06 a.m.)

The preparations and rehearsals.. Reeba (11/4/2007 5:01 a.m.)
- Never much laughing. Rachel G (11/4/2007 6:08 a.m.)
  - Dour father; lively children Tifah (11/4/2007 7:24 p.m.)
  - Perhaps this helps explain why Fanny was as she was. nfm Adrian (11/4/2007 2:10 p.m.)
  - Very telling indeed Joan Ellen (11/4/2007 10:01 a.m.)
  - Change in Fanny. Mandy N (11/4/2007 8:13 a.m.)
    - LOL! The decline of Norris!! Reeba (11/4/2007 9:37 a.m.)

Sir Thomas and Mrs. Norris - Chapter 20 Tifah (11/3/2007 4:49 p.m.)

Blaming others... Moni (11/5/2007 11:30 p.m.)
Not a bizarre theory at all, IMO Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 8:14 p.m.)
- This interpretation is plausible. Connie (11/3/2007 11:23 p.m.)
  - Responsible for their own choices. Tifah (11/4/2007 2:39 a.m.)
    - I still think Tom is bipolar.nfm nan duval (11/6/2007 7:16 p.m.)
    - Laissez-faire parenting Connie (11/5/2007 2:59 p.m.)
- Yes, I suppose Tifah (11/3/2007 8:32 p.m.)
Why did Sir Thomas prefer Miss Maria Ward? Rachel G (11/3/2007 7:55 p.m.)
- And she loves him... Moni (11/5/2007 11:35 p.m.)
  - Good point - and it is nice! ;-D Rachel G (11/6/2007 2:55 a.m.)
- Great Description of Mrs. Norris, nfm BarbaraB (11/4/2007 9:59 p.m.)
Mrs Norris found wanting. Mandy N (11/3/2007 6:15 p.m.)
- I agree... Moni (11/5/2007 11:45 p.m.)

Henry's Dessertion Connie (11/3/2007 3:29 p.m.)

Why did Henry really leave? JoAnn (11/5/2007 12:44 a.m.)
- Henry happily escapes to Bath Robbin (11/5/2007 12:00 p.m.)
I really cringe at this little speech of Henry's Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 8:08 p.m.)
- I can't muster much sympathy for Maria either, but nan duval (11/6/2007 7:09 p.m.)
  - LOL! Joan Ellen (11/7/2007 7:42 a.m.)
    - Absolutely. I would eagerly deny our characters nan duval (11/7/2007 11:10 p.m.)
I also wonder whether Henry is being extra cautious... Adrian (11/3/2007 7:46 p.m.)
- About himself yes, about Maria... Reeba (11/4/2007 5:29 a.m.)
  - I wasn't talking so much about feelings here. Adrian (11/4/2007 2:34 p.m.)
  - I completely agree. nfm Rachel G (11/4/2007 7:28 a.m.)
Dislike of permanence LaurieC (11/3/2007 3:42 p.m.)

Ch 19 Lady Bertram Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 10:54 a.m.)

CH 21 LOL!! Lady Bertram- With salts in her hand... Reeba (11/4/2007 4:47 a.m.)
- Sir Thomas feeling apprehension Tifah (11/4/2007 7:01 p.m.)
- Oh, and Mrs Norris *tried* to cry! LOl ;-D nfm Reeba (11/4/2007 5:50 a.m.)
Ch. 20 - Picturing Lady Bertram on the move LaurieC (11/3/2007 12:32 p.m.)
- It really does speak worlds for Mrs. Norris's energy Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 1:19 p.m.)
  - That's a terrifyingly plausible thought. LOL!! Rachel G (11/3/2007 2:25 p.m.)

Ch. 20 - Mr. Yates' view of Sir Thomas LaurieC (11/3/2007 12:27 a.m.)

Yes, I caught that as well! Tifah (11/3/2007 1:30 p.m.)
I just love that phrase Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 10:45 a.m.)
The feeling is mutual Elbè (11/3/2007 3:47 a.m.)
- Perhaps it is precisely because of Yates's feelings... Adrian (11/3/2007 1:15 p.m.)
  - What am I missing about Yates and Julia? JoAnn (11/5/2007 12:48 a.m.)
    - Julia & Mr. Yates, a cumulative effect Robbin (11/5/2007 11:14 a.m.)
    - Yates and Julia LaurieC (11/5/2007 10:36 a.m.)
    - JoAnn, I am with you. Lila (11/5/2007 1:53 a.m.)
      - See Ch,.20... Rachel G (11/5/2007 5:20 a.m.)
        
        I agree now that there is evidence JoAnn (11/5/2007 12:59 p.m.)

Ch. 20 - Sir Thomas is back on the job :-) LaurieC (11/3/2007 12:17 a.m.)

Burning the play... Tifah (11/3/2007 1:48 p.m.)
- Are all books sacred? Crystal (11/3/2007 8:37 p.m.)
  - It's a modern sentiment Tifah (11/4/2007 1:59 a.m.)
- To be thoroughly modern... Connie (11/3/2007 3:13 p.m.)
  - Restrained... Moni (11/5/2007 11:43 p.m.)
- I wondered at this too... Mandy N (11/3/2007 2:47 p.m.)
- In Sir T's defense Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 2:28 p.m.)
  - Pehaps Mrs Grant helped out. Rachel G (11/3/2007 3:47 p.m.)
  - Good point! Tifah (11/3/2007 3:41 p.m.)

Sir Thomas' blindness, his greatest fault - Chpt. 19 Tifah (11/2/2007 9:16 p.m.)

Ch. 20 - Lack of communication LaurieC (11/3/2007 12:46 a.m.)
- Yes, I agree, and also the sentence before - Chpt. 20 Tifah (11/3/2007 1:21 p.m.)
- Sir Thomas is a cactus-covered marshmellow Elbè (11/3/2007 3:33 a.m.)
Sir Thomas and Mr. Rushworth Graciela (11/3/2007 12:31 a.m.)
- Sir Thomas/Mr Bennett Rachel G (11/3/2007 5:29 a.m.)
  - I would like that he were ironic but for other reasons Graciela (11/5/2007 9:53 p.m.)
  - Other similarities between the two Connie (11/3/2007 3:08 p.m.)

Ch.19 Maria and Henry Rachel G (11/2/2007 7:19 p.m.)

There may be more... Reeba (11/3/2007 3:30 a.m.)
- I take your point... Rachel G (11/3/2007 6:28 a.m.)
  - It's so easy Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 10:41 a.m.)
    - I agree Fannie (11/3/2007 1:33 p.m.)
      - The 'narrative gaze'... Rachel G (11/3/2007 2:00 p.m.)

The Jackson Family Rachel G (11/2/2007 6:22 p.m.)

And when it comes to encroaching.... Deborah d'Bajor (11/5/2007 9:20 a.m.)
- Too true! nfm Rachel G (11/5/2007 12:08 p.m.)

Sir Thomas in Liverpool. Reeba (11/2/2007 4:39 p.m.)

You are right Reeba JulieW (11/3/2007 1:55 p.m.)
- More proof/support in CH 21. Reeba (11/4/2007 4:15 a.m.)
  - She longed to do it Robbin (11/4/2007 7:19 a.m.)
    - Wouldn't the 'pleasure' of information... Reeba (11/4/2007 9:23 a.m.)
      - Not clear enough   Robbin (11/4/2007 12:02 p.m.)
        
        Yes, I realised...   Reeba (11/4/2007 12:50 p.m.)
        
        My fault...   Robbin (11/4/2007 1:02 p.m.)
    - Family protocol... Moni (11/4/2007 7:25 a.m.)
      - I agree... Mandy N (11/4/2007 7:42 a.m.)
        
        And even when Sir Thomas... Moni (11/5/2007 5:08 a.m.)
      - Family protocol (;D)   Robbin (11/4/2007 7:32 a.m.)
        
        Good call, but...   Moni (11/5/2007 5:10 a.m.)
        
        Sir Thomas does indeed look forward to seeing Fanny...   Adrian (11/5/2007 12:52 p.m.)
        
        Exactly so...   Moni (11/5/2007 10:36 p.m.)
  - Aha! Rachel G (11/4/2007 5:25 a.m.)
    - Ch. 21. Fanny's question. Mandy N (11/4/2007 7:10 a.m.)
      - I also liked the fact Sir Thomas Robbin (11/4/2007 7:25 a.m.)
- Thank you so much Julie. Reeba (11/3/2007 6:00 p.m.)
  - My pleasure :-) nfm JulieW (11/3/2007 7:23 p.m.)

Sir Thomas on stage... Elbè (11/2/2007 12:47 p.m.)

Tom Bertram!! I find in him.. Reeba (11/2/2007 2:28 p.m.)
- Ch. 19 - Tom's finally "getting it"? LaurieC (11/2/2007 11:00 p.m.)
  - What I don't quite get... Rachel G (11/3/2007 1:47 p.m.)
    - My interpretation Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 2:39 p.m.)
      - You could well be right! (grin) nfm Rachel G (11/3/2007 3:31 p.m.)
    - I wondered about that LaurieC (11/3/2007 1:52 p.m.)
  - Totally agree -- I love this scene! {nfm} Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 10:50 a.m.)
- I gotta kick out of this scene Fannie (11/2/2007 3:18 p.m.)

Man of the hour - Chapter 19 Robbin (11/2/2007 4:02 a.m.)

Is Sir Thomas really that scary? Lila (11/3/2007 1:13 a.m.)
- Misunderstood Sir Thomas Robbin (11/3/2007 10:33 a.m.)
  - Ch. 20. Home to be 'happy and indulgent'. Mandy N (11/3/2007 12:03 p.m.)
    - Sir Thomas seems to have good reason JoAnn (11/4/2007 11:36 p.m.)
      - ....Interesting question on Sir Thomas & Yates. Mandy N (11/5/2007 5:08 a.m.)
        
        Upper classes... BarbaraB (11/5/2007 5:47 p.m.)
    - And because.. Fannie (11/3/2007 1:29 p.m.)
mellow Fannie (11/2/2007 3:14 p.m.)
- I agree: Sir Thomas was in an indulgent mood... Adrian (11/2/2007 3:31 p.m.)
  - This is the first time in the story Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 11:05 a.m.)

A turn of the tide - Chapter 19 Robbin (11/2/2007 3:27 a.m.)

Ch. 19 - "His dear Fanny" LaurieC (11/2/2007 10:08 p.m.)
Hope so...! Mandy N (11/2/2007 7:44 a.m.)
- Ch.19 Mrs Norris - Malicious delight. Rachel G (11/2/2007 8:59 a.m.)

Victory over Edmund - Chapter 17 Robbin (11/2/2007 3:22 a.m.)

I'd say jealousy and selfishness just about covers it. Lila (11/3/2007 12:56 a.m.)
- Ahh... Robbin (11/3/2007 8:47 a.m.)
  - Propriety... Moni (11/4/2007 4:42 a.m.)
    - Good points... Robbin (11/4/2007 7:06 a.m.)
      - IMO, he is bent on making over... Moni (11/4/2007 7:22 a.m.)
        
        Worry for Edmund Robbin (11/4/2007 7:54 a.m.)

Acting! nan duval (11/1/2007 6:44 p.m.)

"I really cannot act" Louise H (11/1/2007 9:51 p.m.)
- My thoughts as well on reading... Moni (11/3/2007 10:41 p.m.)
- I agree with all you said. nfm Connie (11/2/2007 3:04 p.m.)

End of the Drama? Connie (11/1/2007 5:26 p.m.)

Julia's dramatic entrance Graciela (11/2/2007 2:14 a.m.)

Edmund's betrayal -chap18 Elbè (11/1/2007 4:30 p.m.)

I'm really conflicted by this scene... Connie (11/2/2007 3:15 p.m.)
What exactly is the group (Edmund) asking Fanny to do? Adrian (11/1/2007 7:04 p.m.)
- Why not just accept her no… Robbin (11/1/2007 10:22 p.m.)
  - Snowball Elbè (11/3/2007 12:02 p.m.)
  - That's what I say--- nfm BarbaraB (11/3/2007 1:13 a.m.)
- Fanny's objections. Mandy N (11/1/2007 9:36 p.m.)
  - However, she does help in other ways Ramya (11/2/2007 6:53 p.m.)
    - Fanny as spectator. Mandy N (11/2/2007 10:46 p.m.)
    - Hi, Ramya! You are always welcome here. :-) *nfm* LaurieC (11/2/2007 9:49 p.m.)
      - Thanks! ;-) nfm Ramya (11/3/2007 1:19 a.m.)
  - Yet she takes on the role for the rehearsal. Lila (11/1/2007 11:37 p.m.)
    - No respect for Fanny's refusual. Mandy N (11/2/2007 1:10 a.m.)
      - Edmund thought he *was* still protecting Fanny's option. Adrian (11/2/2007 3:46 p.m.)
Betrayed indeed… Robbin (11/1/2007 6:11 p.m.)
- Hateful too strong a word ;-) Elbè (11/2/2007 7:13 a.m.)
  - Oh, I agree with you there! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/2/2007 7:59 a.m.)
Yeah Crystal (11/1/2007 5:36 p.m.)

Ready for a limerick contest? LaurieC (11/1/2007 2:34 p.m.)

Only one?!?! JoAnn (11/5/2007 12:07 a.m.)
- LOL - you aren't the first to ask LaurieC (11/5/2007 12:22 a.m.)
  - Would love to contribute, but.... Elbè (11/5/2007 3:28 a.m.)
Yes! That's exciting!!! :-) nfm Reeba (11/2/2007 4:06 p.m.)
Does the subject have to be only from Chapter 21? nfm Rebecca K (11/2/2007 6:07 a.m.)
- No - chapters 1 through 21. Have fun! *nfm* LaurieC (11/2/2007 9:36 p.m.)
This sound like fun--I will try my best... Robbin (11/1/2007 6:15 p.m.)

Ch. 19 - Consternation! LaurieC (11/1/2007 1:56 p.m.)

Ch.19 Multiple LOLs ! Rachel G (11/1/2007 3:34 p.m.)
- Yes indeed! Quite a few. ;-D Reeba (11/2/2007 4:23 p.m.)
- LOLs all the way! Elbè (11/2/2007 7:03 a.m.)
- I found a couple of those LOL lines myself... Lila (11/1/2007 11:11 p.m.)
  - One more... Lila (11/1/2007 11:24 p.m.)
    - If there is a double entendre, Connie (11/2/2007 3:21 p.m.)

Ch. 18 - Fanny's extraordinary efforts LaurieC (11/1/2007 12:37 p.m.)

Fanny listening.. Mandy N (11/1/2007 8:09 p.m.)

Ch. 18 - Another fire reference LaurieC (11/1/2007 11:26 a.m.)

Bright because unused? Frances Anne (11/1/2007 12:58 p.m.)
- ...and... BarbaraB (11/1/2007 11:19 p.m.)

Honest preference for a Miss Bertram Robbin (11/1/2007 1:17 a.m.)

Ch. 18 - "Maternal" instincts LaurieC (11/1/2007 11:03 a.m.)
Mr Yates and Julia. Reeba (11/1/2007 10:58 a.m.)
- Agatha & Frederick & Fanny Joan Ellen (11/1/2007 8:17 p.m.)
  - A tame duenna Tarn (11/3/2007 1:57 a.m.)
    - Your analysis makes sense Joan Ellen (11/3/2007 11:15 a.m.)
  - Rehearsals... Mandy N (11/1/2007 10:26 p.m.)
    - Or maybe, they just didn't think much of her presence. Lila (11/1/2007 10:58 p.m.)
      - Or they both intuitively knew and depended on her... Adrian (11/2/2007 3:50 p.m.)

Ch. 18 - The play continues LaurieC (10/31/2007 11:17 p.m.)

Ch. 18 - Sketching the actors LaurieC (10/31/2007 11:29 p.m.)
- "Behind-hand". what does it mean?nfm Lila (11/1/2007 10:29 p.m.)
  - Not up to speed, lagging behind the others Christopher (11/1/2007 10:46 p.m.)
    - Thank you. nfm Lila (11/1/2007 11:13 p.m.)
- I love this Reeba (11/1/2007 10:45 a.m.)

A LOL line from Rushworth ;-D Reeba (10/31/2007 5:18 p.m.)

Another amusing, if not LOL part in CH 18 Reeba (11/1/2007 10:43 a.m.)
- Yes... BarbaraB (11/1/2007 11:04 p.m.)
- Mr Yates a serious actor Elbè (11/1/2007 3:55 p.m.)
- I had both of these observations as I read JoAnn (11/1/2007 1:41 p.m.)

Ch. 17 - Mary & Mrs. Grant's viewpoints re Henry LaurieC (10/31/2007 4:43 p.m.)

Thanks for bringing this up Crystal (10/31/2007 5:10 p.m.)
- Yes, I also found it... Moni (11/4/2007 3:24 a.m.)
  - Ch. 17 - If Henry stept in... LaurieC (11/4/2007 8:50 a.m.)
    - Intriguing to think about... Moni (11/4/2007 9:30 p.m.)
      - I think Mary's statement   nan duval (11/6/2007 6:13 p.m.)
        
        Good point...   Moni (11/7/2007 3:43 a.m.)
        
        A statement for effect ?   Mandy N (11/7/2007 4:51 a.m.)
        
        Saying provocative things...   Moni (11/7/2007 10:30 a.m.)

Mary, Julia, and Maria Connie (10/31/2007 4:43 p.m.)

Agree and often... Moni (11/4/2007 3:28 a.m.)
Very cold Crystal (10/31/2007 5:27 p.m.)
- I see Mary's coldness to mean... Reeba (10/31/2007 5:36 p.m.)
  - I agree with you that Mary is displeased with her brother. Lila (11/1/2007 10:04 p.m.)
    - Cautious... Moni (11/4/2007 3:33 a.m.)
      - Mary's loyalties Crystal (11/4/2007 7:15 p.m.)
        
        Agree;-) (nfm) Moni (11/4/2007 9:19 p.m.)
  - Very plausible Crystal (10/31/2007 5:57 p.m.)
    - I think Mary would ... Reeba (10/31/2007 6:19 p.m.)
      - Yes Crystal (10/31/2007 7:24 p.m.)

Fanny's Empathy Lila (moved by moderator) (10/31/2007 12:24 a.m.)

What confuses me... Adrian (11/2/2007 4:02 p.m.)
- You may have missed it Adrian, but... Lila (11/3/2007 2:34 a.m.)
- Interesting ... Luc (11/3/2007 12:42 a.m.)
  - Knee-jerk reactions Connie (11/3/2007 4:01 p.m.)
    - Credits given ;) Luc (11/4/2007 10:11 p.m.)
      - Perhaps as unpleasant Crystal (11/4/2007 10:56 p.m.)
    - Clarification Connie (11/3/2007 11:10 p.m.)
  - By that definition Crystal (11/3/2007 2:53 a.m.)
    - Judgemental and what not Luc (11/4/2007 9:49 p.m.)
      - Apparently we see things differently Crystal (11/4/2007 11:08 p.m.)
        
        Let's conclude this line of discussion LaurieC (11/4/2007 11:29 p.m.)
- I sure hope so! Crystal (11/2/2007 10:55 p.m.)
How true. Reeba (10/31/2007 4:51 a.m.)
- Anxious Fanny, unhappy Julia. Mandy N (10/31/2007 7:47 a.m.)
Fanny, light in the darkness of insanity Robbin (10/31/2007 3:46 a.m.)
- Thanks for your insights, Mandy N (11/8/2007 7:52 a.m.)
  - Dear, dear Fanny Robbin (11/9/2007 1:46 a.m.)
- Great post;-) (nfm) Moni (11/5/2007 10:43 p.m.)
- Remember, this is my first reading of the novel... Lila (11/1/2007 12:34 a.m.)
  - Can someone be too good? Robbin (11/3/2007 8:06 a.m.)
    - A more thoughtful response to your post.... Lila (11/3/2007 10:30 p.m.)
      - Fanny laughing at herself   Robbin (11/6/2007 7:38 a.m.)
        
        I agree about Fanny's assertiveness   nan duval (11/6/2007 5:03 p.m.)
        
        Thank you...   Robbin (11/7/2007 4:43 a.m.)
    - Guess we'll have to agree to disagree for the time being. nfm Lila (11/3/2007 6:30 p.m.)
  - Fanny's Engima Luc (11/1/2007 9:39 p.m.)
    - What more can Fanny do to help herself? (;D) Robbin (11/2/2007 2:12 a.m.)
      - Now ...   Luc (11/3/2007 12:45 a.m.)
        
        Not rhetorical…   Robbin (11/3/2007 8:32 a.m.)
        
        If it's ok with you ...   Luc (11/4/2007 10:18 p.m.)
        
        Sure--thanks. nfm (:D)   Robbin (11/4/2007 11:53 p.m.)
    - Thank you. I am enjoying this GR very much. nfm Lila (11/1/2007 11:48 p.m.)
      - Other reads later... Moni (11/2/2007 4:48 a.m.)
  - 'Almost like she is not there' Joan Ellen (11/1/2007 8:35 p.m.)
  - Lila - you are not alone... Rachel G (11/1/2007 1:29 p.m.)
  - True confession Patricia N (11/1/2007 12:45 a.m.)
- Thanks, Robbin! Great defense of Fanny! nfm Connie (10/31/2007 4:16 p.m.)
- And, in addition, Fanny likes to dance... Adrian (10/31/2007 2:29 p.m.)
- Wonderful post as usual, thanks! NFM. Crystal (10/31/2007 11:19 a.m.)
- Thank you! Rose G (10/31/2007 6:30 a.m.)

Ch. 17 - Sisters LaurieC (10/30/2007 10:38 p.m.)

It's like a pattern... Moni (11/4/2007 4:00 a.m.)
Yes indeed. Reeba (10/31/2007 4:47 a.m.)
- Ch. 17 - Squabbling leading to alienation LaurieC (10/31/2007 11:41 a.m.)
  - That's how I read it. Rachel G (10/31/2007 1:26 p.m.)
    - Another instance of blindness Connie (10/31/2007 4:21 p.m.)
      - For all of Mr. Rushworth's slowness, he seems to be...   Adrian (10/31/2007 7:30 p.m.)
        
        Yes, he is harmless...   Moni (11/4/2007 2:17 a.m.)
        
        Good point!   Crystal (10/31/2007 7:32 p.m.)
      - I think Crystal (10/31/2007 4:47 p.m.)
        
        Easily persuaded otherwise Connie (10/31/2007 11:58 p.m.)

Ch. 17 - Jealous weakness? LaurieC (10/30/2007 10:14 p.m.)

Yes that's how I see it. NFM. Crystal (10/31/2007 4:48 p.m.)
That is my understanding! :) Tifah (10/31/2007 3:21 p.m.)
- Another question re "the better" LaurieC (10/31/2007 3:52 p.m.)
  - My take on the... Reeba (10/31/2007 5:53 p.m.)
  - One made worse; the other two made better... ? Tifah (10/31/2007 5:22 p.m.)
    - Aha! Thank you! :-) *nfm* LaurieC (10/31/2007 5:35 p.m.)
Not my understanding Louise H (10/31/2007 11:52 a.m.)
Aaahh! It's possible.... Lila (10/30/2007 11:02 p.m.)
- Maria knows that Edmund likes Mary Tifah (10/31/2007 3:10 p.m.)
- The line following... Reeba (10/31/2007 4:56 a.m.)

Fanny's miseries. Ch.15-16 Rachel G (10/30/2007 7:01 p.m.)

IMO, Fanny judges Mary... Moni (11/4/2007 2:24 a.m.)
- I agree, great point! Crystal (11/4/2007 7:18 p.m.)
  - She is powerless to... Moni (11/5/2007 5:12 a.m.)
    - Exactly Crystal (11/5/2007 10:25 a.m.)
What is interesting is that Fanny blames... Lila (10/30/2007 11:26 p.m.)
- Blaming it on Mary Crystal (10/31/2007 5:07 p.m.)
  - I don't know whether I agree with your last sentence. Lila (11/1/2007 10:52 p.m.)
    - Interesting interpretation. nfm Connie (11/2/2007 3:28 p.m.)
- Mutuality Adrian (10/31/2007 2:09 p.m.)
- Ch.16. Edmund's approval/affection. Rachel G (10/31/2007 2:17 a.m.)

Link to Group Read Guidelines, etc. LaurieC (10/30/2007 6:38 p.m.)

Lady Bertram Ch.16 Rachel G (10/30/2007 4:45 p.m.)

Ch. 18 - More on Lady Bertram LaurieC (10/31/2007 11:38 p.m.)
- Another LOL Lady B - chap 18 Elbè (11/1/2007 4:40 p.m.)
  - Lady Bertram animated.... Mandy N (11/2/2007 8:01 a.m.)
  - Lady Bertram could only be "more at leisure" Joan Ellen (11/1/2007 8:10 p.m.)
    - LOL! - nfm Elbè (11/2/2007 3:35 a.m.)
- She actualy made some exertion to see a play! Elbè (11/1/2007 12:51 p.m.)
  - Lady Bertram used to take a house in London Tracy W (11/1/2007 12:58 p.m.)
I noticed this too. Connie (10/31/2007 4:33 p.m.)
Fanny's aunts... Mandy N (10/31/2007 8:38 a.m.)
..and encouragement from Miss Lee... Reeba (10/30/2007 6:23 p.m.)

Rehearsing in the East Room LouAnn (10/30/2007 4:39 p.m.)

That hadn't struck me, either JoAnn (11/1/2007 1:43 p.m.)

Fanny becomes the mentor Connie (10/30/2007 3:21 p.m.)

True, good points;-) (nfm) Moni (11/1/2007 10:04 a.m.)
Edmund feeling guilt Tifah (10/30/2007 6:47 p.m.)
- I agree! JoAnn (11/4/2007 12:37 p.m.)
The triumph to others. Reeba (10/30/2007 6:18 p.m.)
- Reaaly interesting observation! nfm Connie (10/31/2007 3:36 p.m.)
Here's a question. Patricia N (10/30/2007 4:51 p.m.)
- Mrs Grant says in a later... Moni (11/4/2007 3:41 a.m.)
- Some possible answers LaurieC (10/30/2007 6:15 p.m.)
  - yes Ra (10/30/2007 7:05 p.m.)
- Bravo! Fannie (10/30/2007 6:00 p.m.)
  - Perhaps he thinks.. Reeba (10/30/2007 6:07 p.m.)
    - Yes, I agree Crystal (10/30/2007 7:42 p.m.)

Sanctuary Fannie (10/30/2007 12:37 p.m.)

This has a lovely feel;-) (nfm) Moni (10/31/2007 9:10 a.m.)
Thanks... BarbaraB (10/30/2007 8:20 p.m.)
Lovely! Thanks for sharing. NFM. Crystal (10/30/2007 7:43 p.m.)
Drawing Fannie (10/30/2007 5:59 p.m.)
- If you thought I meant any criticism .. Helen Halstead (10/30/2007 6:50 p.m.)
  - By no means!! Fannie (10/30/2007 7:09 p.m.)
Thanks for this lovely drawing, Fannie. Helen Halstead (10/30/2007 5:51 p.m.)
How cosy and snug. Reeba (10/30/2007 5:31 p.m.)
"Even without a fire" Mandy N (10/30/2007 1:47 p.m.)
Lovely... Robbin (10/30/2007 1:03 p.m.)
- Driving Fanny from her attic retreat also save Mrs. Norris... Adrian (10/30/2007 1:24 p.m.)
What a lovely drawing Tracy W (10/30/2007 1:02 p.m.)

Pop Quiz ;-) LaurieC (10/29/2007 10:38 p.m.)

Well, my answers Tracy W (10/30/2007 1:01 p.m.)
- I would disagree (in part at least) with your answer to #2. Adrian (10/30/2007 1:21 p.m.)

Ch. 16 - Just a good quote :-) LaurieC (10/29/2007 10:21 p.m.)

Quotes about Fanny and Edmund. Reeba (10/30/2007 6:00 a.m.)
Quote- Transparencies. Mandy N (10/30/2007 4:59 a.m.)
- Transparencies JulieW (10/30/2007 6:55 a.m.)
  - Fascinating post;-) (nfm) Moni (11/4/2007 3:37 a.m.)
  - Thoughts on Who did Which Transparency Tarn (11/3/2007 6:25 a.m.)
  - Window on the picturesque. Mandy N (10/30/2007 12:26 p.m.)
  - Oh that poor beggar woman. Rachel G (10/30/2007 8:04 a.m.)

Ch. 16 - Fanny wavers LaurieC (10/29/2007 10:13 p.m.)

'Seeing a play' Rose G (10/30/2007 9:28 a.m.)
- Ch. 16 - Edmund caves LaurieC (10/30/2007 10:02 a.m.)
  - Ch. 17 - Indifferent to danger LaurieC (10/30/2007 10:24 p.m.)
  - Stupid Anhalt/Edmund ;-) Reeba (10/30/2007 10:20 a.m.)
    - I'm not sure I agree Connie (10/30/2007 2:57 p.m.)
      - Would Edmund have let Julia act opposite Maddox? Adrian (10/30/2007 6:57 p.m.)
        
        I think he would have. Connie (10/31/2007 4:07 p.m.)
      - Both reasons are complementary ... Reeba (10/30/2007 6:04 p.m.)
      - Edmund persuaded, Mandy N (10/30/2007 3:37 p.m.)
      - Right on! NFM Julianne (10/30/2007 3:34 p.m.)
    - Of course "stupid" can mean "dull" in JA's ti Adrian (10/30/2007 1:09 p.m.)
      - Rushworth as Count Cassel... Mandy N (10/30/2007 4:26 p.m.)
    - Quite so. But... Rachel G (10/30/2007 12:06 p.m.)

Like father, like son – Chapter 15 Robbin (10/29/2007 4:15 p.m.)

Ch. 15 - Fanny's "appearance" LaurieC (10/29/2007 4:09 p.m.)

Is she out or not again Robbin (10/29/2007 11:17 p.m.)
- Mary's "Understanding" Tarn (11/3/2007 6:45 a.m.)
  - Great points. Thanks! nfm (;D) Robbin (11/3/2007 8:36 a.m.)
- Or.... ;-) Reeba (10/30/2007 6:34 a.m.)
  - I see your point--thanks! nfm (;D) Robbin (10/30/2007 1:05 p.m.)

The Art of Wheedling by a Lady – Chapter 15 Robbin (10/29/2007 2:41 a.m.)

Mary as performer... Mandy N (10/29/2007 1:42 p.m.)
- Manipulation certainly Robbin (10/29/2007 4:57 p.m.)
  - Good thoughts all.... Mandy N (10/30/2007 1:36 p.m.)
- Mary and Amelia Anne Lydia (10/29/2007 4:05 p.m.)
- Mary's kindness and "good feelings". Rachel G (10/29/2007 2:33 p.m.)
  - I think it's the author LouAnn (10/29/2007 7:00 p.m.)
  - She is not wholly bad, Connie (10/29/2007 5:04 p.m.)
Ch. 15 - Mary's mobility LaurieC (10/29/2007 11:24 a.m.)
- I agree Robbin (10/29/2007 4:05 p.m.)
You have said it all Robbin :-) and Reeba (10/29/2007 10:50 a.m.)
- I don’t Robbin (10/29/2007 4:04 p.m.)

Pot calling the kettle black - Chapter 15 Robbin (10/29/2007 1:10 a.m.)

employed year round LouAnn (10/29/2007 6:58 p.m.)
Dick Jackson Rachel G (10/29/2007 6:53 a.m.)
- Ms. Norris thinks that... Reeba (10/29/2007 7:44 a.m.)
  - Ch. 15 - Note on "what all this meant" LaurieC (10/29/2007 10:12 a.m.)
    - I am unsure now of my ... Reeba (10/29/2007 11:02 a.m.)
      - I think you are correct... LaurieC (10/29/2007 11:03 a.m.)
        
        Thanks Laurie :-) nfm Reeba (10/29/2007 11:04 a.m.)
  - Ah - light dawns! Thanks Reeba. nfm Rachel G (10/29/2007 7:58 a.m.)
10- year old boy and 10-year old Fanny!!! Reeba (10/29/2007 5:05 a.m.)

Yates as an "intimate friend" JoAnn (10/28/2007 11:59 p.m.)

Good point Joan Ellen (10/29/2007 10:55 a.m.)

Ch. 13 - Edmund vs. The Family JoAnn (10/28/2007 11:56 p.m.)

Divided house...family squabbles. Mandy N (10/29/2007 2:39 p.m.)
In CH 15 we are given some idea of Edmund's efforts.. Reeba (10/29/2007 10:36 a.m.)
- Edmund vs. William Mary B (10/29/2007 5:22 p.m.)
  - CH 16: "Her champion and her friend." Reeba (10/30/2007 5:37 p.m.)
  - Edmund act as Fanny's advocate Tracy W (10/30/2007 12:58 p.m.)
    - Standing up for Fanny's right not to act. Adrian (10/30/2007 1:41 p.m.)
      - I like tis interpretation. nfm Connie (11/1/2007 12:10 a.m.)
      - Good point Tracy W (10/31/2007 6:41 a.m.)
      - I noticed this too BarbaraB (10/30/2007 8:01 p.m.)
      - I'd like to take her out back... Fannie (10/30/2007 7:20 p.m.)

Ch. 13-14 - The amazing snowballing theatrical JoAnn (10/28/2007 11:47 p.m.)

..and the addition of Charles Maddox! Reeba (10/29/2007 10:40 a.m.)
- Ch. 15 - News travels LaurieC (10/29/2007 11:34 a.m.)

Ch. 15 - What was omitted? LaurieC (10/28/2007 9:23 p.m.)

I am at a loss at Reeba (10/29/2007 6:54 p.m.)
- Lovers' Vows BarbaraB (10/30/2007 7:43 p.m.)
- Unsuitability of Lovers' Vows LaurieC (10/29/2007 7:52 p.m.)
  - Thank you Laurie. I went back... Reeba (10/30/2007 8:16 a.m.)
    - That could be... LaurieC (10/30/2007 9:32 a.m.)

Ch. 15 - A cross evening. LaurieC (10/28/2007 9:14 p.m.)

2 & 40 speeches + a blue dress & a pink satin coat ;-D Reeba (10/29/2007 10:05 a.m.)
- The blue dress and pink satin cloak Louise H (10/29/2007 10:43 a.m.)
  - Oh he liked it very well ;-) Reeba (10/29/2007 10:53 a.m.)
    - Missed that line. Thanks! (nfm) Louise H (10/29/2007 11:27 a.m.)
    - No trifle...lol ! Mandy N (10/29/2007 11:27 a.m.)
- Ch. 15 - Edmund's response LaurieC (10/29/2007 10:20 a.m.)
  - Love her style too... Elbè (11/1/2007 8:11 a.m.)

Ch. 14 - Maria triumphs LaurieC (10/28/2007 12:40 p.m.)

Maria and the play... Mandy N (10/28/2007 4:42 p.m.)
Julia & Henry - At treacherous play with her revealed Robbin (10/28/2007 3:14 p.m.)
- Les Liaisons dangereuses gets more dangereuses Tarn (10/29/2007 12:21 a.m.)
Poor Julia, but lucky Julia too. Rachel G (10/28/2007 2:20 p.m.)
- Yes, lucky girl! NFM Crystal (10/28/2007 2:52 p.m.)
- Too true !! nfm Reeba (10/28/2007 2:45 p.m.)
Poor Julia. But at least she made Henry... Reeba (10/28/2007 1:47 p.m.)

Call me frivolous... Rachel G (10/28/2007 6:25 a.m.)

And the way he is introduced... Tarn (10/28/2007 7:06 a.m.)
- That's high praise for a paragraph! JoAnn (10/28/2007 11:25 p.m.)
  - Maybe hyperbole (Maybe beyond hyperbole) Tarn (10/29/2007 7:24 a.m.)

Ch. 14 - Theatre at Mansfield Park LaurieC (10/27/2007 10:13 p.m.)

Yes, you can tell the... Moni (10/29/2007 6:50 a.m.)
I find it interesting that... BarbaraB (10/28/2007 9:33 p.m.)
- Yes...no expense spared LaurieC (10/28/2007 10:16 p.m.)
Theatre curtain JulieW (10/28/2007 1:06 a.m.)
- Love this post!;-) (nfm) Moni (10/29/2007 6:51 a.m.)
- Green baize Elizabeth Sycamore (10/28/2007 3:16 a.m.)
  - On Green baize... Mandy N (10/28/2007 5:11 a.m.)
    - Thanks, Mandy. Reeba (10/28/2007 1:39 p.m.)

Ch. 13 - Mrs. Norris - at your service LaurieC (10/27/2007 9:59 p.m.)

Misunderstood too. Reeba (10/28/2007 7:12 a.m.)
More free meals! Rachel G (10/28/2007 12:47 a.m.)
- A delight in being important ! Mandy N (10/28/2007 7:12 a.m.)

The play a symbol for repressed emotions Tifah (10/27/2007 4:34 p.m.)

Ch. 13 - Sir Thomas' return LaurieC (10/27/2007 7:02 p.m.)
- Brothers.. Tifah (10/28/2007 2:00 a.m.)
  - Tom's LOL line ;-) Reeba (10/28/2007 7:17 a.m.)
    - Yeah right, Tom! Elbè (10/28/2007 1:07 p.m.)
      - Oh, Tom. --chpt. 14 Tifah (10/28/2007 1:33 p.m.)

Lord Ravenshaw and his grandmother Tifah (10/27/2007 4:15 p.m.)

I feel like you about Lord Ravenshire Tracy W (10/29/2007 11:11 a.m.)

Ch. 13 - Introducing Mr. Yates LaurieC (10/27/2007 2:48 p.m.)

Ch. 14 - More on Mr. Yates LaurieC (10/28/2007 11:45 a.m.)
- Notice that Yates cannot imagine Julia playing Cottagers Wife Adrian (10/28/2007 12:24 p.m.)
I love this long... Reeba (10/27/2007 3:31 p.m.)
- Mr Yates : a disappointed man. Mandy N (10/28/2007 12:58 p.m.)
  - Another self-centered individual JoAnn (10/28/2007 11:31 p.m.)
    - Good point!;-) (nfm) Moni (10/29/2007 6:43 a.m.)
- Yates - A dramatic character LaurieC (10/27/2007 3:59 p.m.)
- Oh, I hope Tifah (10/27/2007 3:55 p.m.)
  - Thanks! Never noticed that! nfm Elbè (10/28/2007 12:28 p.m.)
    - Oops! Above comment is for Adrian "Notice that Yates..." Elbè (10/28/2007 12:42 p.m.)

Tom and Colman the Younger's "The Heir at Law" JulieW (10/27/2007 10:24 a.m.)

Not always presented as virtuous or gentlemanly? Graciela (10/28/2007 10:22 p.m.)
Tom and the butler... Mandy N (10/27/2007 2:58 p.m.)
Wonderful... Robbin (10/27/2007 11:47 a.m.)

Wow! So many parallels & resonances... Rachel G (10/27/2007 4:35 a.m.)

Lovers' Vows - Fanny's objections. Rachel G (10/27/2007 9:11 a.m.)
- Any objections by anyone .. ;-) Reeba (10/27/2007 4:01 p.m.)
- Fanny and Agatha... Mandy N (10/27/2007 3:55 p.m.)
  - Oh yes! Rachel G (10/27/2007 5:38 p.m.)

A link to Lovers' Vows LaurieC (10/26/2007 10:56 p.m.)

Thanks for the link, it is enlightening Robbin (10/28/2007 3:20 p.m.)

Why does Edmund think acting at home so shocking? Rebecca K (10/26/2007 8:41 p.m.)

The Press, too Tarn (10/27/2007 2:10 a.m.)
- Hmmm..... JulieW (10/27/2007 6:20 a.m.)
  - Thanks JulieW, this is great! nfm (;D) Robbin (10/27/2007 12:01 p.m.)
Ch. 13 - Edmund's objections LaurieC (10/26/2007 10:41 p.m.)
- And also Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 1:55 p.m.)

Acting as a major theme (long) Connie (10/26/2007 4:28 p.m.)

A terrific Robbin (10/28/2007 9:51 p.m.)
- Interesting points about Mary. Connie (10/29/2007 4:43 p.m.)
What's my motivation? Anne Lydia (10/26/2007 6:26 p.m.)
- Both posts very interesting! {nfm} Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 2:01 p.m.)
  - Agree; thanks Connie and Anne nfm BarbaraB (10/28/2007 3:49 p.m.)

The eldest Fannie (10/26/2007 3:46 p.m.)

Early September. Rachel G (10/26/2007 1:23 p.m.)

Michaelmas is also September 29 and is a date... Adrian (10/26/2007 4:56 p.m.)
If Julie W et al. will forgive me ;-) Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 2:19 p.m.)
- Ah - partridges. Well at least you can eat them! Thanks. nfm Rachel G (10/26/2007 2:48 p.m.)

Tom Turkey - Chapter 12 Robbin (10/26/2007 12:38 a.m.)

Why not ask Fanny to make up the rubber? Louise H (10/26/2007 6:17 p.m.)
- Lady B/Too busy BarbaraB (10/28/2007 2:41 p.m.)
- Well... Robbin (10/26/2007 7:43 p.m.)
  - And I doubt Fanny would bet half crowns (nfm) Tarn (10/28/2007 7:19 a.m.)
    - Good point! nfm ;D Robbin (10/28/2007 12:37 p.m.)
  - Unintentionally, nan duval (10/26/2007 7:58 p.m.)
    - I agree--LoL! nfm (;D) Robbin (10/26/2007 8:26 p.m.)
He makes me laugh Tifah (10/26/2007 2:38 p.m.)
- Me too, me too! BarbaraB (10/28/2007 3:33 p.m.)
Dancing couples... Mandy N (10/26/2007 1:43 p.m.)
To have the pretence of being asked! Anne Lydia (10/26/2007 12:03 p.m.)
- I have always felt that... Reeba (10/26/2007 1:53 p.m.)
  - Perhaps Tom... Rebecca K (10/26/2007 8:36 p.m.)
  - Now that's a view I hadn't considered JoAnn (10/26/2007 3:19 p.m.)
    - If Tom thinks of Fanny as a little sister Robbin (10/26/2007 7:48 p.m.)
    - You are welcome :-) nfm Reeba (10/26/2007 3:55 p.m.)
- Ironic indeed! Tom Bertram is an oaf!! nfm Rachel G (10/26/2007 12:32 p.m.)
Tom's vice William L (10/26/2007 9:29 a.m.)
- Selfishness Jennifer B (10/26/2007 9:35 a.m.)
  - Selfishness in Bertram-Crawford-Rushworthworld nan duval (10/26/2007 8:04 p.m.)
  - LOL Fannie (10/26/2007 1:32 p.m.)
    - Is he really funny? JoAnn (10/26/2007 2:06 p.m.)
      - Tom Bertram vs. Henry Crawford Adrian (10/26/2007 4:45 p.m.)
        
        Psychopathology nan duval (10/26/2007 7:57 p.m.)
    - I like Tom too... Elbè (10/26/2007 1:54 p.m.)
      - Yes and Fanny seems to like... Moni (10/27/2007 8:45 a.m.)
      - Tom's lively, Mandy N (10/26/2007 2:18 p.m.)
        
        Tom's biggest problem, imo Tifah (10/26/2007 3:00 p.m.)
  - Edmund & Mrs Grant seem pretty unselfish too. nfm Rachel G (10/26/2007 12:23 p.m.)

Ch. 12 - What is Edmund thinking!?! LaurieC (10/25/2007 10:45 p.m.)

IMO, the most critical thing Luc (10/26/2007 12:02 a.m.)
Edmund's having an Emma moment Crystal (10/25/2007 11:00 p.m.)
- Or possibly a JA moment :-D Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 3:11 p.m.)
- ¨...paying excess attention to Mrs. Grant! LOL! Reeba (10/26/2007 11:00 a.m.)
- Absolutely! Connie (10/25/2007 11:23 p.m.)
  - Definitely agree Crystal (10/26/2007 12:20 a.m.)
    - Fanny's perception Janette K (10/26/2007 3:09 p.m.)
      - At this point in the story Patricia N (10/26/2007 3:43 p.m.)
    - Well said. Crystal and Connie nfm William L (10/26/2007 9:36 a.m.)

Ch. 12 - Julia's jealousy LaurieC (10/25/2007 10:38 p.m.)

Notice the "ought" Connie (10/25/2007 11:32 p.m.)
- I don't think *ought* is used... Reeba (10/26/2007 10:51 a.m.)
  - The sentence structure here is a little confusing Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 2:06 p.m.)
    - I just found another meaning of' ought.... Reeba (10/26/2007 3:03 p.m.)
      - In the context of this section   Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 3:17 p.m.)
        
        Didn't Julia realise that?   Reeba (10/26/2007 4:42 p.m.)
        
        Sorry, that's not how I read the sentence   Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 8:28 p.m.)
I think you are right Crystal (10/25/2007 11:04 p.m.)
- City mouse and country mouse again Patricia N (10/26/2007 10:23 a.m.)
  - I agree LaurieC (10/26/2007 10:35 a.m.)
    - I don't believe they think it is a game... Robbin (10/26/2007 11:14 p.m.)
      - ...Henry raises expectations. Mandy N (10/27/2007 4:57 a.m.)
      - My poor word choice... ;-) LaurieC (10/26/2007 11:35 p.m.)
        
        I agree... Robbin (10/27/2007 4:47 a.m.)
    - Almost makes me pity the Bertram sisters! NFM Crystal (10/26/2007 10:53 p.m.)

Mary vs. Maria - Chpt 12 Tifah (10/25/2007 9:12 p.m.)

The product of her upbringing (long) Crystal (10/25/2007 10:55 p.m.)
- Well said! Becka L (10/26/2007 1:41 p.m.)
- It is as you say Tifah (10/25/2007 11:50 p.m.)
  - Mary is interesting Crystal (10/26/2007 12:13 a.m.)
    - There is something Tifah (10/26/2007 12:38 a.m.)
      - A change here and there   Crystal (10/26/2007 1:04 a.m.)
        
        Perhaps it would be so.   Tifah (10/26/2007 2:05 a.m.)
        
        I don't discount Mary's ability to change   Crystal (10/26/2007 10:49 p.m.)
        
        thank you, too! nfm   Tifah (10/27/2007 1:05 p.m.)

The gloomy mist of a pending Sir Thomas Tifah (10/25/2007 8:24 p.m.)

Why does Julia dread Sir Thomas' return? Rachel G (10/26/2007 4:40 a.m.)
- Julia's dread of her father Helen B (10/26/2007 8:48 a.m.)
  - Exactly so! Tifah (10/26/2007 12:32 p.m.)

Mrs. Norris drops the presentiment ball - Chapter 11 Robbin (10/25/2007 12:43 p.m.)

Passing the ball to Maria... Moni (10/26/2007 10:35 a.m.)
- Something like.... Rachel G (10/26/2007 11:47 a.m.)
  - LOL, thanks;-) (nfm) Moni (10/27/2007 8:48 a.m.)
I guess she has... Reeba (10/25/2007 4:05 p.m.)
What an interesting question. Rachel G (10/25/2007 1:09 p.m.)
- Oh, of course… Robbin (10/25/2007 4:19 p.m.)

Mary!!!... Who else? ;-) Reeba (10/25/2007 8:43 a.m.)

Dr Grant Luc (10/27/2007 12:25 a.m.)
- I see a lot of.. Reeba (10/27/2007 10:30 a.m.)
Not her uncle's fault Connie (10/25/2007 4:21 p.m.)
Or, alternately Tracy W (10/25/2007 11:00 a.m.)
- In short, Mary is between... Reeba (10/25/2007 12:35 p.m.)
  - Mary says of herself... Mandy N (10/25/2007 1:26 p.m.)
    - Ah I see. Reeba (10/25/2007 3:59 p.m.)
      - Today Dr. Grant Patricia N (10/26/2007 9:55 a.m.)
      - I'm not sure Louise H (10/25/2007 6:44 p.m.)

LOL line chap11 Elbè (10/25/2007 5:50 a.m.)

LOL. And here's another one ;-) Reeba (10/25/2007 7:21 a.m.)

Soldier, sailor, lawyer and Edmund – Chapter 11 Robbin (10/24/2007 11:51 p.m.)

Does anyone else think that Mary has a point? Tarn (10/25/2007 8:52 a.m.)
- We don´t know anything about Mr. Norris Graciela (10/26/2007 10:18 p.m.)
  - Gout and the other £7000 Tarn (10/28/2007 8:25 a.m.)
    - What other £7000? Tracy W (10/29/2007 9:44 a.m.)
      - My Calculations   Tarn (10/31/2007 5:56 a.m.)
        
        Time to stop this thread   LaurieC (10/31/2007 10:10 a.m.)
        
        Correction   JulieW (10/31/2007 10:16 a.m.)
        
        Thanks, Julie! :-) *nfm*   LaurieC (10/31/2007 10:19 a.m.)
    - The causes of gout. Rachel G (10/28/2007 11:47 a.m.)
      - Gout- all you need to know ;-)   JulieW (10/29/2007 6:10 a.m.)
        
        Avoid intense thought? Ah, Mr. Rushworth is safe! (nfm)   Adrian (10/29/2007 2:26 p.m.)
        
        Great info. Julie. Thanks very much! nfm   Rachel G (10/29/2007 7:03 a.m.)
      - LOL!! I feel certain... Reeba (10/28/2007 1:33 p.m.)
      - Being careful with time: contemporary understandings Adrian (10/28/2007 12:52 p.m.)
        
        Of course... Rachel G (10/28/2007 1:57 p.m.)
- I think she may undermine her own point. Mandy N (10/25/2007 10:50 a.m.)
- I agree. Rachel G (10/25/2007 9:40 a.m.)
  - Idea of "vocation" Connie (10/25/2007 3:51 p.m.)
    - Interesting info. Thanks Connie! nfm Rachel G (10/25/2007 5:46 p.m.)
Too fixed to change her ideas... Mandy N (10/25/2007 6:19 a.m.)
- Is Mary wrathful?? Rachel G (10/25/2007 8:07 a.m.)
  - Mary's vicious... Reeba (10/25/2007 8:49 a.m.)
    - Mary is certainly frustated Mandy N (10/25/2007 10:51 a.m.)
    - Hmm... Rachel G (10/25/2007 10:13 a.m.)
      - Another definition LaurieC (10/25/2007 10:53 a.m.)
        
        Good to know this;-) (nfm) Moni (10/26/2007 11:35 a.m.)
"I really like you Edmund...." Rachel G (10/25/2007 5:16 a.m.)
- LOL at Mary Adrian (10/25/2007 12:42 p.m.)
  - The practical reality. Rachel G (10/25/2007 12:54 p.m.)

Eye of the beholder Robbin (10/24/2007 11:45 p.m.)

Star-gazing – Chapter 11 Robbin (10/24/2007 11:42 p.m.)

Ch. 11 - Taught to feel LaurieC (10/25/2007 11:59 a.m.)
- Edmund & Mary - Nature & Values Robbin (10/25/2007 3:24 p.m.)
  - Agree completely, Robbin! {nfm} Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 10:04 a.m.)
  - Sacrifices to the gods Connie (10/25/2007 4:14 p.m.)
    - Angels and Pagans Robbin (10/26/2007 12:29 a.m.)
      - Not in her "hint" about Maria Connie (10/26/2007 3:54 p.m.)
I love this too... Moni (10/25/2007 1:30 a.m.)
- Here's harmony- Mandy N (10/25/2007 1:59 p.m.)
  - Pleasure;-) (nfm) Moni (10/27/2007 8:50 a.m.)
She made a longer speech earlier Graciela (10/25/2007 1:22 a.m.)
- Right you are! (;D) nfm Robbin (10/25/2007 2:21 a.m.)

Fanny gets angry Connie (10/24/2007 11:37 p.m.)

What is interesting to me about her anger Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 10:11 a.m.)
and in both cases Patricia N (10/25/2007 10:23 p.m.)
- When Maria and Henry circumvented the gate,... Adrian (10/26/2007 5:04 p.m.)
I think Fannie (10/25/2007 1:19 p.m.)

Ch. 11 - Edmund's living LaurieC (10/24/2007 11:35 p.m.)

Collins? Relation to someone we know? nfm Fannie (10/25/2007 1:13 p.m.)

Ch. 11 - Waiting for Sir Thomas LaurieC (10/24/2007 11:13 p.m.)

Black November Robbin (10/24/2007 11:39 p.m.)
- Aaaah, November! Elbè (10/25/2007 5:32 a.m.)

Ch. 10 - At the risk of venturing into Austentations... JoAnn (10/24/2007 6:43 p.m.)

LOL Fannie (10/24/2007 7:33 p.m.)
- I'm just thinking about JoAnn (10/24/2007 10:06 p.m.)
  - Oh! I see it now : ) nfm Fannie (10/25/2007 1:10 p.m.)

Ch. 10 - Fanny's visitors LaurieC (10/24/2007 11:28 a.m.)

I was not looking forward JoAnn (10/24/2007 6:23 p.m.)
- I feel great pity for Mr. Rushworth in this scene... Rachel "Rayjay" S (10/24/2007 8:25 p.m.)
  - Without malice... Moni (10/25/2007 1:36 a.m.)
    - He does sting Henry a little in his absence... Elbè (10/25/2007 5:03 a.m.)
      - Checking out the meaning... Moni (10/25/2007 6:02 a.m.)
      - Tall? Yes, I think so. Rachel G (10/25/2007 5:38 a.m.)
  - Speaking of sheep among the wolves… Robbin (10/24/2007 11:34 p.m.)
    - Yes... BarbaraB (10/25/2007 9:57 p.m.)
..and her kindness to Rushworth as well as... Reeba (10/24/2007 4:58 p.m.)
- Exchange about Henry Bea (10/25/2007 1:43 a.m.)
  - The exchange. Reeba (10/25/2007 7:36 a.m.)
- Well said... Moni (10/25/2007 1:40 a.m.)
- I wonder what Fanny thinks of Mr. Rushworth? Rebecca K (10/25/2007 1:02 a.m.)
  - This is her first... Reeba (10/25/2007 8:57 a.m.)
Fanny's wait Fannie (10/24/2007 2:24 p.m.)
- Ch. 10 - Time factor LaurieC (10/24/2007 5:32 p.m.)

Ch. 9 Julia drops the ball Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 11:13 a.m.)

I suspect Maria does everything she can... Adrian (10/24/2007 2:05 p.m.)
Brilliant!;-) (nfm) Moni (10/24/2007 11:21 a.m.)

The Spunger (Chapter 10) Robbin (10/24/2007 4:06 a.m.)

Ch. 10 - Mrs. Norris' busy day LaurieC (10/24/2007 12:44 p.m.)
- The cream cheese! LOL, LaurieC (nfm) Moni (10/25/2007 6:06 a.m.)
- LOL! That's excellent. And to think the others... Reeba (10/24/2007 4:32 p.m.)
  - I love the image that line evokes! JoAnn (10/24/2007 6:26 p.m.)
- That is a lot of activity... Robbin (10/24/2007 4:08 p.m.)
- And as they drive awaythrough the park ... Rachel G (10/24/2007 1:43 p.m.)
  - There she is, always... Moni (10/25/2007 6:19 a.m.)
  - I'm with you! (nfm) JoAnn (10/24/2007 6:27 p.m.)
    - And I! Rebecca K (10/25/2007 6:11 a.m.)
  - LOL ! The audacity of Mrs Norris.... Mandy N (10/24/2007 2:53 p.m.)
    - Yes, back to reality... Moni (10/24/2007 11:11 p.m.)
    - I can't tell yet... Rachel "Rayjay" S (10/24/2007 8:27 p.m.)
- LOL! Sounds like the title of a children's book :-D [nfm] Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 1:03 p.m.)
- That's it! Lisa Dalrymple (10/24/2007 12:58 p.m.)
  - Exactly;-) (nfm) Moni (10/25/2007 1:43 a.m.)
  - Snort! nfm (;D) Robbin (10/24/2007 4:06 p.m.)
  - LOL nfm Fannie (10/24/2007 2:18 p.m.)
I want that... Moni (10/24/2007 11:16 a.m.)
the coop LouAnn (10/24/2007 8:24 a.m.)
- Exactly so!... Moni (10/24/2007 11:19 a.m.)

Ch. 10 - While Rushworth's away... LaurieC (10/23/2007 11:21 p.m.)

....the mice..err ..the rest are playing... Reeba (10/24/2007 8:55 a.m.)
- Ch. 10 - Henry's challenge LaurieC (10/24/2007 9:59 a.m.)
  - More foreshadowing realized Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 10:22 a.m.)
    - 'You will hurt yourself Miss Bertram' Mandy N (10/24/2007 12:08 p.m.)
      - Fanny's Words   Fannie (10/24/2007 2:15 p.m.)
        
        Bound in by society...   Mandy N (10/25/2007 7:01 a.m.)
        
        I see a different symbolism here   Adrian (10/25/2007 1:02 p.m.)
        
        Great post! nfm (;D)   Robbin (10/26/2007 11:55 a.m.)
        
        Good reading...   Moni (10/26/2007 11:34 a.m.)
        
        Wanderings...   Mandy N (10/26/2007 9:18 a.m.)
        
        In my copy...   Moni (10/27/2007 8:55 a.m.)
        
        Wildernesses.   JulieW (10/27/2007 11:33 a.m.)
        
        Pictures   JulieW (10/27/2007 2:08 p.m.)
        
        Thanks (nfm)   BarbaraB (10/28/2007 7:08 p.m.)
        
        Wilderness pictures..   Mandy N (10/28/2007 1:46 p.m.)
        
        Me too Mandy N--thanks JulieW nfm (;D)   Robbin (10/28/2007 3:33 p.m.)
        
        Superb...   Moni (10/28/2007 1:29 a.m.)
        
        Thanks JulieW! nfm (:D)   Robbin (10/27/2007 12:09 p.m.)
        
        Fanny: a voice crying in the wilderness? (nfm)   Adrian (10/26/2007 5:06 p.m.)
        
        Thanks for the visual description   Louise H (10/25/2007 1:44 p.m.)
      - Interesting thought Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 1:11 p.m.)
        
        Playing... Mandy N (10/25/2007 6:43 a.m.)

Mary's lack of morals come to the fore Connie (10/23/2007 10:46 p.m.)

It was pretty amusing... Moni (10/24/2007 11:02 a.m.)
Ch. 9 - Plural of "miss" LaurieC (10/23/2007 11:03 p.m.)
- From the OED JulieW (10/28/2007 1:15 a.m.)
- I hadn't noticed this before Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 8:23 a.m.)
  - More considering... LaurieC (10/24/2007 10:21 a.m.)
    - Former belles Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 10:33 a.m.)
      - *snort* Thanks, Joan Ellen! :-D *nfm* LaurieC (10/24/2007 10:38 a.m.)
  - Would that be... Reeba (10/24/2007 9:11 a.m.)
    - More often, I have seen married women informally referred to, Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 9:33 a.m.)
      - She would be called Mrs. James Rushworth Graciela (10/26/2007 9:38 p.m.)
        
        True Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 12:32 p.m.)

Ch 4 & 9 The restlessness of the Crawfords Joan Ellen (10/23/2007 8:29 p.m.)

I took this as 'always moving on'. Helen Halstead (10/24/2007 6:57 p.m.)
There are some people Fannie (10/24/2007 2:03 p.m.)

Ch 9 - Thoughts on Henry Crawford & Maria near the altar Joan Ellen (10/23/2007 8:13 p.m.)

Both of them misleading and misled? Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 10:16 a.m.)
- Henry is a manipulator and Robbin (10/24/2007 6:10 p.m.)
  - The Manipulator Luc (10/26/2007 12:38 a.m.)
    - Their vanity does not acquit Henry Robbin (10/26/2007 2:50 a.m.)
      - I never said 'acquit' :)   Luc (10/26/2007 4:18 a.m.)
        
        Henry - affection, amusement and vanity   Robbin (10/26/2007 10:56 p.m.)
        
        A little clarification   Luc (10/26/2007 11:39 p.m.)
        
        LoL!   Robbin (10/27/2007 4:28 a.m.)
        
        No one?   Crystal (10/27/2007 12:05 a.m.)
        
        You are right...   Robbin (10/27/2007 4:36 a.m.)
        
        Maybe not general notice   Crystal (10/27/2007 10:36 p.m.)
        
        Yes...   Robbin (10/28/2007 9:49 p.m.)
        
        Edmund re. Henry.   Rachel G (10/28/2007 12:40 a.m.)
        
        Yes, definitely   Crystal (10/28/2007 1:17 p.m.)
        
        Ch. 12 - "excite general notice"   LaurieC (10/26/2007 10:24 a.m.)
        
        It would also mean that...   Reeba (10/28/2007 4:26 a.m.)
        
        My Interpretation...   BarbaraB (10/27/2007 1:03 a.m.)
        
        Henry is not nice…   Robbin (10/26/2007 11:09 p.m.)
        
        Makes perfect sense   Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 2:59 p.m.)
        
        .....The sisers were an amusement for Henry.   Mandy N (10/26/2007 1:14 p.m.)
        
        Turn it inside out   Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 2:49 p.m.)
        
        Trifling with each other   Robbin (10/26/2007 11:25 p.m.)
        
        I wouldn't say that exactly   Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 1:20 p.m.)
        
        I agree...   Robbin (10/27/2007 4:46 p.m.)
        
        Yes, but JA chose your first quote. ;)   Mandy N (10/26/2007 4:44 p.m.)
        
        This is part of what makes MP such a great novel!   Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 9:31 a.m.)
        
        Well said   Luc (10/26/2007 11:59 p.m.)
        
        Yes, that quote from the narrator sums up Henry...   Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 1:07 p.m.)
        
        Excellent points on Maria   Luc (10/27/2007 9:10 p.m.)
        
        I do not think comparing Maria Bertram to Isabella...   Adrian (10/26/2007 5:32 p.m.)
        
        Poor girl?   Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 1:39 p.m.)
        
        Maria cannot risk her heart because she never gave it...   Adrian (10/27/2007 2:05 p.m.)
        
        Sorry if I was unclear   Joan Ellen (10/27/2007 4:42 p.m.)
        
        Henry as ENTJ   Luc (10/26/2007 11:53 p.m.)
      - Henry - cold and calculating   Rachel G (10/26/2007 3:29 a.m.)
        
        Yes, Henry proves this by...   Moni (10/26/2007 9:00 a.m.)
        
        IMO Henry installed Julia on the box for the ride home...   Adrian (10/26/2007 5:35 p.m.)
  - Agree nfm BarbaraB (10/25/2007 9:37 p.m.)
Henry is misleading Maria near the altar. Rachel G (10/24/2007 7:02 a.m.)
Mr. Crawford did not mean to be in any danger… Robbin (10/24/2007 3:28 a.m.)

Playing goosberry takes it's toll. Rachel G (10/23/2007 6:44 p.m.)

Ch. 9 - Fatigue LaurieC (10/23/2007 8:38 p.m.)
Into the woods with Mary Joan Ellen (10/23/2007 8:18 p.m.)
- Yes, agree, this is exactly... Moni (10/24/2007 4:19 a.m.)
  - See, this is what I just don't get! JoAnn (10/24/2007 7:18 p.m.)
    - I know, it's weird and... Moni (10/25/2007 2:00 a.m.)
      - Mary is saying in essence nan duval (10/27/2007 6:51 p.m.)
        
        Interesting... Moni (10/28/2007 1:31 a.m.)
      - Drunken friends?   Elbè (10/25/2007 4:32 a.m.)
        
        my thoughts on this   Lisa Dalrymple (10/25/2007 1:22 p.m.)
        
        Then he wouldnt have had   JulieW (10/27/2007 9:04 a.m.)
        
        Mystery solved...   Moni (10/27/2007 10:01 a.m.)
        
        I too always pictured it as older professors or tutors   Joan Ellen (10/26/2007 8:39 p.m.)
        
        Could it be...   Elbè (10/27/2007 5:01 a.m.)
        
        Or perhaps customs have changed?   Rachel G (10/27/2007 5:55 a.m.)
        
        Male comradeship...   Moni (10/27/2007 9:07 a.m.)
        
        It's curious...   Moni (10/25/2007 6:04 a.m.)
        
        Designated Walker?? nfm   Fannie (10/25/2007 3:34 p.m.)
        
        Yes, indeed!;-)...   Moni (10/26/2007 2:39 a.m.)
        
        LOL! ;-) nfm   Elbè (10/25/2007 4:17 p.m.)
        
        Well, he is going to be a clergyman..   Rebecca K (10/25/2007 6:16 a.m.)
    - He doesn't think that she's serious Graciela (10/24/2007 9:22 p.m.)
      - Edmund and Darcy   Connie (10/24/2007 11:20 p.m.)
        
        I agree!   Rebecca K (10/25/2007 6:18 a.m.)
        
        And in both cases we have a sophisticated...   Adrian (10/25/2007 1:14 p.m.)
        
        Elizabeth vs. Mary   JoAnn (10/26/2007 2:16 p.m.)
        
        Yes, definitely   Rebecca K (10/26/2007 8:42 p.m.)
- Fanny’s prediction comes true Robbin (10/24/2007 3:41 a.m.)
  - Yes, Robbin... Moni (10/24/2007 4:22 a.m.)
- Ch. 10 - Adding insult to injury LaurieC (10/23/2007 10:59 p.m.)
  - And of course the words you quote have a double meaning... Adrian (10/24/2007 2:15 p.m.)
    - I hadn't even thought about that! Thanks! (nfm) JoAnn (10/24/2007 6:32 p.m.)
  - Re: The avenue. Rachel G (10/24/2007 4:54 a.m.)
  - The avenues were the reason... Moni (10/24/2007 4:26 a.m.)
    - I really cried reading that! Elbè (10/24/2007 10:03 a.m.)
      - Yep. (nfm) JoAnn (10/24/2007 7:24 p.m.)
      - I don't blame you one bit...   Moni (10/24/2007 11:13 a.m.)
        
        There is something about Mary…   Robbin (10/24/2007 3:30 p.m.)
        
        Yes, she is witty and worldly...   Moni (10/25/2007 1:12 a.m.)
        
        Tom & Mary   Robbin (10/25/2007 2:51 a.m.)
        
        Yes, Edmund is enchanted...   Moni (10/25/2007 6:08 a.m.)
        
        Mary Crawford v. Elizabeth Bennet   Patricia N (10/24/2007 8:00 p.m.)
        
        No, not imo   Crystal (10/24/2007 8:25 p.m.)
        
        Please continue on Austenuations   LaurieC (10/24/2007 8:31 p.m.)
        
        Opposites attract here?   Danae (10/24/2007 4:32 p.m.)
        
        I agree! nfm ;D   Robbin (10/24/2007 6:17 p.m.)
        
        Novelty? Hormones?? nfm   Rachel G (10/24/2007 1:22 p.m.)
        
        Hilarious!;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/24/2007 10:56 p.m.)
- Good juxtaposition! (nfm) Connie (10/23/2007 10:39 p.m.)

Ch. 9 - Humor at Mrs. Norris' expense JoAnn (10/23/2007 2:07 p.m.)

Mrs Norris's failure LouAnn (10/23/2007 2:20 p.m.)
- good point, perhaps then Ruth D (10/24/2007 12:55 p.m.)

CH. 8 Breach in the Mansfield Order... Moni (10/23/2007 6:43 a.m.)

Julia escaping from... Reeba (10/23/2007 9:25 a.m.)
- Why would Julia be asked... Moni (10/23/2007 10:00 a.m.)
  - I don't think JoAnn (10/23/2007 12:58 p.m.)
    - Building on JoAnn's point of family hierarchy Adrian (10/23/2007 1:44 p.m.)
      - On consideration...   Moni (10/24/2007 2:38 a.m.)
        
        I agree with your exception of Mrs. Norris;...   Adrian (10/24/2007 2:21 p.m.)
        
        No problems! ;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/25/2007 6:21 a.m.)
        
        Julia did show...   Reeba (10/24/2007 4:20 a.m.)
        
        To date, the evidence...   Moni (10/24/2007 11:08 a.m.)

Puzzled by Mary’s kindness to Maria (Chapter 8) Robbin (10/23/2007 3:43 a.m.)

I read this differently, Connie (10/23/2007 3:24 p.m.)
- Agree Lisa Dalrymple (10/24/2007 5:11 p.m.)
Possibly for self interest... Mandy N (10/23/2007 2:36 p.m.)
Sibling loyalty trumps all Adrian (10/23/2007 1:04 p.m.)
- Very interesting! {nfm} Joan Ellen (10/23/2007 3:45 p.m.)
I am not sure she believes women are really being hurt by Henry Tarn (10/23/2007 4:50 a.m.)
Mary enjoys the game as much as Henry Elbè (10/23/2007 4:43 a.m.)

Chapter 9 - Boldness from the Crawfords Bea (10/23/2007 12:00 a.m.)

Mary on religion. Rachel G (10/23/2007 6:32 a.m.)
- I'm with you on this too. Lila (10/23/2007 11:25 p.m.)
- I felt the same way. . . Connie (10/23/2007 10:33 p.m.)
- Mary's views of the clergy (and the world) JoAnn (10/23/2007 2:02 p.m.)
  - A curious thing about the passage that you cite Joan Ellen (10/24/2007 10:44 a.m.)
    - It is curious in another way to… Robbin (10/24/2007 4:02 p.m.)
    - Good observation! (nfm) JoAnn (10/24/2007 12:14 p.m.)
  - Or simply skeptical Tracy W (10/24/2007 4:51 a.m.)
    - Also, Dr Grant Rachel G (10/24/2007 4:59 a.m.)
      - Good point JoAnn (10/24/2007 7:21 p.m.)
- Ch. 9 - Edmund's profession revealed LaurieC (10/23/2007 1:16 p.m.)
The old way and the new way Tarn (10/23/2007 5:47 a.m.)

Mary vs Fanny Connie (10/22/2007 11:35 p.m.)

Fanny ...'felt too angry for speech'. (Ch.9). Mandy N (10/23/2007 3:52 p.m.)
- Fanny's delicacy. Lila (10/23/2007 11:21 p.m.)

Edmund resembles his sisters Connie (10/22/2007 11:30 p.m.)

Portrait of Fanny... Moni (10/23/2007 9:15 a.m.)

Ch. 9 - Describing Sotherton LaurieC (10/22/2007 11:01 p.m.)

Ch. 9 - Sotherton's grounds LaurieC (10/22/2007 11:29 p.m.)
Ch. 9 - Sotherton's chapel LaurieC (10/22/2007 11:16 p.m.)
- Down to confinement, up to freedom. Elbè (10/23/2007 4:36 a.m.)
  - Did they really go *up* the staircase from the chapel? Adrian (10/23/2007 12:43 p.m.)
    - Sotherton's Chapel JulieW (10/25/2007 9:13 a.m.)
      - That was great to see: thanks, Julie. (nfm) Adrian (10/25/2007 1:23 p.m.)
    - Ooops - missed the 'ought to'! ;) nfm Elbè (10/23/2007 4:42 p.m.)
  - Fanny's idea of a Chapel. Mandy N (10/23/2007 12:40 p.m.)
    - Fanny is describing JulieW (10/25/2007 10:33 a.m.)
      - Great post;-) (nfm) Moni (10/26/2007 9:03 a.m.)
      - This is so wonderful... Robbin (10/25/2007 3:39 p.m.)
      - Very beautiful! Thanks, JulieW! NFM Crystal (10/25/2007 1:29 p.m.)
      - ...Goodness, Fanny's imagination outdid me ! Mandy N (10/25/2007 12:16 p.m.)
    - Ch. 9 - Fanny's Imagination LaurieC (10/23/2007 12:57 p.m.)
      - 'The profusion of mahogany'   Mandy N (10/24/2007 10:10 a.m.)
        
        Mrs Rushworth's Mistake.   JulieW (10/25/2007 10:25 a.m.)
        
        And where her son   nan duval (10/27/2007 6:08 p.m.)
        
        If Old Mr. Rushworth inherited indirectly, that would imply...   Adrian (10/25/2007 1:33 p.m.)
        
        Im not sure old Mr Rushworth   JulieW (10/25/2007 1:52 p.m.)
        
        I see. That's makes it clearer to me. (nfm)   Adrian (10/25/2007 1:55 p.m.)
        
        The chapel was last upgraded c. 100 years before.   Adrian (10/24/2007 2:34 p.m.)
  - And this presumably includes Fanny Tracy W (10/23/2007 9:07 a.m.)
  - Also escaping from Mrs Norris Rachel G (10/23/2007 5:30 a.m.)
Ch. 9 - Sotherton's interior LaurieC (10/22/2007 11:09 p.m.)
- Must have been great to see it... Moni (10/23/2007 9:29 a.m.)

Does Fanny do all she can? BarbaraB (10/22/2007 10:08 p.m.)

IMO, in asking out of turn... Moni (10/23/2007 6:27 a.m.)
I wonder if... Reeba (10/23/2007 4:11 a.m.)

The style of 50 years back LouAnn (10/22/2007 5:02 p.m.)

Thank you! [nfm] LouAnn (10/25/2007 4:15 p.m.)
Again I think JulieW (10/25/2007 7:08 a.m.)
- A question on wainscoting Adrian (10/25/2007 1:53 p.m.)
  - No, in the JulieW (10/25/2007 2:29 p.m.)
Just my personal opinion Tarn (10/23/2007 5:14 a.m.)
- Mrs. Rushworth's taste? Adrian (10/23/2007 1:53 p.m.)
I believe the veneration for "antique" furnishings nan duval (10/22/2007 8:56 p.m.)
- L&T questions during group read LaurieC (10/22/2007 9:09 p.m.)

Is Fanny prejudiced? Connie (10/22/2007 4:50 p.m.)

Fanny Fannie (10/22/2007 5:35 p.m.)
- I don't think I can agree ... *Longish* Rachel "Rayjay" S (10/24/2007 12:05 a.m.)
  - Neither Henry nor Mary seems disposed to live... Adrian (10/24/2007 2:42 p.m.)
- The quote was from Mary's horseriding scene Connie (10/22/2007 11:08 p.m.)
  - Thankyou Fannie (10/23/2007 1:01 p.m.)
Thank you Connie. Reeba (10/22/2007 5:32 p.m.)

Court-Leet... Elbè (10/22/2007 3:45 p.m.)

Court-Leet and Court-Baron Christopher (10/22/2007 3:53 p.m.)
- Thanks so much! ;) nfm Elbè (10/23/2007 4:06 a.m.)

Ch. 8 - Mrs. Rushworth described LaurieC (10/22/2007 10:55 a.m.)

The good mother… Robbin (10/22/2007 12:43 p.m.)
- Does anyone else see this as a particularly bold move... Adrian (10/22/2007 12:54 p.m.)
  - Edmund, rebel with a cause Robbin (10/22/2007 7:31 p.m.)
    - Another similarity between the two cases. . . Connie (10/22/2007 11:21 p.m.)
      - That is a really great point! Thanks! nfm ;D Robbin (10/23/2007 2:25 a.m.)
  - Yes Bea (10/22/2007 2:40 p.m.)
  - ...Or quietly asserting his authority. Mandy N (10/22/2007 2:26 p.m.)

Mrs Norris Chapter 8 Elbè (10/22/2007 10:53 a.m.)

Mrs Norris's sleuthing Chap9 Elbè (10/23/2007 4:04 a.m.)
- No doubt so she can interfere later with suggestions... Adrian (10/23/2007 1:57 p.m.)
In black and white we have the proof... Reeba (10/22/2007 4:31 p.m.)
- Why does Mrs Norris hate Fanny so? Rachel G (10/24/2007 5:37 a.m.)
  - Mrs Norris Fannie (10/24/2007 3:02 p.m.)
    - The Norris. Rachel G (10/24/2007 5:31 p.m.)
  - I sometimes wonder if Aunt Norris suspects... Adrian (10/24/2007 2:49 p.m.)
  - I think your second point is closer to the mark Laurel (10/24/2007 7:06 a.m.)
    - Go Fanny. Go! LOL nfm Rachel G (10/24/2007 7:08 a.m.)
- Yes, this line is so telling... Moni (10/24/2007 2:29 a.m.)
Suffice it to say that Mrs. Norris even has compassion... Adrian (10/22/2007 12:29 p.m.)
Somehow... Robbin (10/22/2007 11:44 a.m.)

Mixing wine and water Luc (10/22/2007 10:11 a.m.)

Ch. 7 - Unsure of protocol LaurieC (10/22/2007 10:26 a.m.)
- Edmund vs. Crawford Maria João (10/22/2007 5:30 p.m.)
- Fanny and her wine & water.. Mandy N (10/22/2007 12:39 p.m.)
  - Thanks for the explanations everyone! Luc (10/22/2007 8:12 p.m.)
    - I think in.. Reeba (10/23/2007 4:20 a.m.)
      - Its a Fanny-Edmund thing Elbè (10/23/2007 4:50 a.m.)
    - Could be Connie (10/22/2007 11:12 p.m.)
  - I like that! Connie (10/22/2007 4:54 p.m.)

Edmund—innocent of feminine wiles (Chapter 8) Robbin (10/22/2007 1:46 a.m.)

Are you sure Edmund was not trying subtly to avoid... Adrian (10/22/2007 12:22 p.m.)
- Enlightening Edmund… Robbin (10/22/2007 3:27 p.m.)
  - What is the difference between the two vehicles? nan duval (10/22/2007 9:10 p.m.)
    - Barouche & chaise or post chaise LaurieC (10/22/2007 9:20 p.m.)
      - Post chaises and Barouches. JulieW (10/25/2007 11:51 a.m.)
      - Thanks, LaurieC.nfm nan duval (10/24/2007 9:04 a.m.)

The Bertram Brothers, Horses & Mary (chapters 4 to 7) Robbin (10/22/2007 1:06 a.m.)

One of the Bertram brothers - Tom. Reeba (10/22/2007 6:57 p.m.)
- I agree Reeba, you make good points about Tom. nfm :D Robbin (10/22/2007 7:35 p.m.)

The Miss Bertrams, Solidarity to a point (Chapter 8) Robbin (10/22/2007 12:27 a.m.)

Quite shocking Fannie (10/22/2007 2:45 p.m.)
- Sibling relationships in MP (chapters 1 to 8) Robbin (10/23/2007 3:10 a.m.)
  - I agree--these are pathetic families. nan duval (10/25/2007 9:55 p.m.)
    - Young Ward Sisters Robbin (10/26/2007 12:59 a.m.)
  - Does Edmund know that Tom lost him the MP living? Adrian (10/23/2007 2:18 p.m.)
    - Yes...I believe you are right & so agree. Thanks! (;D) nfm Robbin (10/23/2007 7:18 p.m.)
- As they say... JoAnn (10/22/2007 3:29 p.m.)
Maria - not a nice girl! Rachel G (10/22/2007 1:45 p.m.)
- How do you solve a problem like Maria? Robbin (10/23/2007 3:00 a.m.)
- The sisters become distinguishable Connie (10/22/2007 11:47 p.m.)
  - Yes, Julia seems... LaurieC (10/23/2007 9:28 a.m.)
  - I agree. nfm ;D Robbin (10/23/2007 2:29 a.m.)
Pug is a boy! (nfm) Moni (10/22/2007 10:57 a.m.)
- At least this pug version! Elbè (10/22/2007 3:34 p.m.)
  - There is only one. Reeba (10/22/2007 5:09 p.m.)
    - I believe we are talking about serial pugs... Christopher (10/22/2007 5:36 p.m.)
      - Does Lady Bertram nan duval (10/25/2007 10:05 p.m.)
      - LOL!! :-D nfm Reeba (10/22/2007 5:53 p.m.)
- Good grief… Robbin (10/22/2007 11:07 a.m.)
  - LOL! ;-D (nfm) Moni (10/22/2007 11:12 a.m.)
Ch. 8 - Envy LaurieC (10/22/2007 9:51 a.m.)
- The theme that seems to... Moni (10/22/2007 11:03 a.m.)

Fanny & Mary (chapters 4 to 7) Robbin (10/21/2007 11:07 p.m.)

Amazing, in-depth comparison nan duval (10/25/2007 7:52 p.m.)
- Has Mary been duped? Robbin (10/25/2007 11:59 p.m.)
  - If she has, nan duval (10/26/2007 8:21 a.m.)
    - Yes, I think you are right. Thanks! (nfm) :D Robbin (10/26/2007 10:03 p.m.)
Wonderful analysis. Lila (10/23/2007 11:02 p.m.)
- Fanny has her moments… Robbin (10/26/2007 12:07 a.m.)
  - Her love of nature in general nan duval (10/26/2007 8:30 a.m.)
    - Perhaps it is because she has... Moni (10/26/2007 9:08 a.m.)
CH 8: there is a very telling... Reeba (10/22/2007 4:19 p.m.)
- I agree, good catch Reeba. Thank you! nfm ;D Robbin (10/23/2007 3:26 a.m.)
Mary's harp... Mandy N (10/22/2007 12:20 p.m.)
- Fanny’s spirit, Edmund’s danger Robbin (10/23/2007 2:49 a.m.)
- Town mice, country mice Robbin (10/23/2007 2:45 a.m.)
  - Henry has no intention of settling nan duval (10/25/2007 8:19 p.m.)
    - I agree--very much! Henry is using them both. nfm ;D Robbin (10/25/2007 11:46 p.m.)

Ch. 8 - The Road to Sotherton LaurieC (10/21/2007 10:42 p.m.)

Mrs Norris was in high spirits. Reeba (10/22/2007 5:00 p.m.)
- 10 miles of indifferent road Elbè (10/23/2007 3:31 a.m.)
Is it not like a play? Patricia N (10/22/2007 3:24 p.m.)

Ch. 7 - 8 From headache to happiness LaurieC (10/21/2007 10:34 p.m.)

It also shows Lisa Dalrympl (10/22/2007 12:35 p.m.)
- This shows... Moni (10/25/2007 6:27 a.m.)
- oops - spelled my name wrong! *nfm* Lisa Dalrymple (10/22/2007 12:35 p.m.)
Some welcome relief... Moni (10/22/2007 9:46 a.m.)
I like it too! :D Robbin (10/21/2007 11:09 p.m.)

Chs. 2 - 7, Fanny's feelings - a recap LaurieC (10/21/2007 8:25 p.m.)

Interesting Luc (10/22/2007 10:45 a.m.)
- That's exactly the point. Reeba (10/22/2007 5:15 p.m.)
  - Not surprising Luc (10/22/2007 7:53 p.m.)
    - Actually I don't find... Reeba (10/23/2007 3:57 a.m.)
      - Balance it with 10 somethings flattering/praise Crystal (10/23/2007 2:07 p.m.)
- And can you blame her? JoAnn (10/22/2007 3:26 p.m.)
  - "In Some Respects" Luc (10/22/2007 7:46 p.m.)
Gosh, this is interesting to think about... Moni (10/22/2007 9:50 a.m.)

Chpt 7 - Fanny + Edmund + Mary Tifah (10/21/2007 5:45 p.m.)

Wanting Edmund Patricia N (10/21/2007 7:10 p.m.)
- Yes, but I hope Tifah (10/21/2007 7:21 p.m.)

CH 7 LOL lines :-D Reeba (10/21/2007 3:38 p.m.)

I liked this one of Lady Bertram's Bea (10/21/2007 9:05 p.m.)
- Lady B. multitasking. nfm nan duval (10/25/2007 7:10 p.m.)
Ch. 7 - I was just reading this part LaurieC (10/21/2007 3:44 p.m.)
- And that may be the most directly critical comment... Adrian (10/21/2007 6:42 p.m.)

Ch. 7 - Dissimilarity LaurieC (10/21/2007 3:35 p.m.)

A reference to beginning of infatuation? Christopher (10/21/2007 5:16 p.m.)
- I agree Fannie (10/22/2007 2:20 p.m.)
Perhaps because.. Reeba (10/21/2007 4:25 p.m.)

Making reading useful JoAnn (10/21/2007 1:29 p.m.)

I feel just the same.nfm Rebecca K (10/23/2007 10:10 p.m.)
What a nice thing to say ;-) (nfm) Moni (10/22/2007 9:58 a.m.)

Telling words - chap7 Elbè (10/21/2007 5:07 a.m.)

I've often thought that,Elbe. JulieW (10/21/2007 6:03 a.m.)
- I had the same thought. JoAnn (10/21/2007 1:19 p.m.)
- Evidence in her favor? LouAnn (10/21/2007 10:35 a.m.)
  - Or maybe she wasn't interested enough... Reeba (10/21/2007 2:56 p.m.)
    - PS: Ch 7 "She liked to have him near her." Reeba (10/21/2007 4:46 p.m.)

Who is to blame? Chap7 Elbè (10/21/2007 4:47 a.m.)

The other way round, I think. Rachel G (10/21/2007 5:27 a.m.)
- I agree JoAnn (10/21/2007 1:21 p.m.)

Ch. 5 - What does "well screened" mean? JoAnn (10/21/2007 12:23 a.m.)

Thank you! (nfm) JoAnn (10/21/2007 11:44 a.m.)
Trees Rachel G (10/21/2007 4:48 a.m.)
- And timber is a sign of money too... Tarn (10/21/2007 10:05 a.m.)
- Oh, yes that makes sense ;) nfm Elbè (10/21/2007 4:52 a.m.)
Does it have something... Moni (10/21/2007 4:34 a.m.)
- My first impression Elbè (10/21/2007 4:50 a.m.)

Why do Mrs. Norris' actions suprise Sir Thomas? JoAnn (10/20/2007 9:29 p.m.)

A question that baffles me too (nfm) Tracy W (10/22/2007 5:22 a.m.)
Ch. 1 - Mrs. Norris' actions LaurieC (10/21/2007 2:04 a.m.)
- You're right - she never actually said JoAnn (10/21/2007 1:06 p.m.)

E.N.S.U.T.H. JoAnn (10/20/2007 9:26 p.m.)

Edmund does try to bring Fanny forward Tracy W (10/22/2007 5:10 a.m.)
- It's about... BarbaraB (10/22/2007 4:59 p.m.)
- In thinking about it more JoAnn (10/22/2007 3:41 p.m.)
I know what you mean... BarbaraB (10/21/2007 3:27 p.m.)
- I wanted to ask Jane Austen MD nan duval (10/25/2007 11:05 a.m.)
  - No helmet.... JulieW (10/25/2007 12:07 p.m.)
- Edmund did what he did with the horses Tracy W (10/22/2007 4:50 a.m.)
  - Well... BarbaraB (10/22/2007 6:19 p.m.)
    - It may well be Mrs Norris's way Tracy W (10/23/2007 4:05 a.m.)
Edmund the Bertram Tarn (10/21/2007 11:57 a.m.)
- In defence of Edmund Tracy W (10/22/2007 5:17 a.m.)
- You're on to something here Anne Lydia (10/21/2007 12:11 p.m.)
- Miss Crawford's character LouAnn (10/21/2007 12:03 p.m.)
  - There is something different about how Mary treats Fanny Anne Lydia (10/21/2007 11:41 p.m.)
  - I have to disagree about Miss Crawford's benevolence Adrian (10/21/2007 12:30 p.m.)
    - Thought-provoking Connie (10/22/2007 4:17 p.m.)
    - Yes, Fanny as a tool... Moni (10/22/2007 9:54 a.m.)
      - Good interpretation! (nfm) Connie (10/22/2007 4:18 p.m.)
    - I agree, well said. (;D) nfm Robbin (10/21/2007 11:23 p.m.)
    - I have to agree with you JoAnn (10/21/2007 1:16 p.m.)
      - Entitlement nan duval (10/25/2007 1:48 p.m.)
      - Let's look at other JA heros   Adrian (10/21/2007 7:10 p.m.)
        
        Yes, thank you!   Katrina (10/21/2007 7:47 p.m.)
        
        Thank you for this analysis!   JoAnn (10/21/2007 7:20 p.m.)
      - Fair enough LouAnn (10/21/2007 2:23 p.m.)
        
        It's a deal JoAnn (10/21/2007 3:14 p.m.)
the Bertram family situation LouAnn (10/21/2007 11:04 a.m.)
True, but.. Rebecca K (10/20/2007 11:13 p.m.)
- At the point I'm talking about JoAnn (10/20/2007 11:23 p.m.)
  - Do forgive me! Rebecca K (10/20/2007 11:31 p.m.)
    - Sorry for the confusion JoAnn (10/20/2007 11:34 p.m.)
      - That's all right! Rebecca K (10/20/2007 11:40 p.m.)

Rush to worth Tifah (10/20/2007 6:53 p.m.)

Not worth a rush or What's in a name? Graciela (10/20/2007 9:58 p.m.)
- Excellent! Thanks. (nfm) Tifah (10/21/2007 3:27 a.m.)
  - His thoughts weren't ... Reeba (10/21/2007 4:00 p.m.)
    - I love that line too (nfm) Connie (10/22/2007 4:02 p.m.)

The Admiral again Tifah (10/20/2007 5:10 p.m.)

If true then Edmund's reaction is strange. Reeba (10/21/2007 6:11 p.m.)
- Edmund's relationship with Mary Connie (10/22/2007 3:50 p.m.)
  - Actually I am not looking for Edmund to say... Reeba (10/22/2007 4:04 p.m.)
    - As I see it, Ann2 (10/23/2007 4:40 a.m.)
- Well, grave - Could it be Ann2 (10/22/2007 7:44 a.m.)
  - I would expect it to leave him at least.. Reeba (10/22/2007 11:28 a.m.)
IMO Mary misjudges her JulieW (10/21/2007 8:02 a.m.)
- Yes, this shows a real... Moni (10/22/2007 9:57 a.m.)
- That puts it very well, IMHO. nfm Rachel G (10/21/2007 5:46 p.m.)
- Good Point BarbaraB (10/21/2007 2:13 p.m.)
The pun William L (10/20/2007 5:24 p.m.)
- I completely disagree Connie (10/22/2007 4:00 p.m.)
- At 10 would Fanny even... Reeba (10/21/2007 3:10 p.m.)
  - She's not 10 anymore JoAnn (10/21/2007 3:33 p.m.)
    - I was referring to... Reeba (10/21/2007 3:50 p.m.)
      - Ah - I understand now. (nfm) JoAnn (10/21/2007 7:15 p.m.)
- Good point Tifah (10/20/2007 5:42 p.m.)

Ch. 7 - Fanny on the sofa LaurieC (10/20/2007 4:56 p.m.)

Fanny has the headache. Rachel G (10/20/2007 8:57 p.m.)
- Agree with this idea Crystal (10/22/2007 4:44 p.m.)
- Thank you very much for this discription of a migraine Tracy W (10/22/2007 9:01 a.m.)
  - Yes, Rachel's description... Moni (10/22/2007 10:02 a.m.)
- Poor Fanny...cutting the roses. Mandy N (10/21/2007 11:03 a.m.)
  - Fanny's honesty? LouAnn (10/21/2007 12:01 p.m.)
    - Forgetting the Key Connie (10/22/2007 3:44 p.m.)
    - Scrupulously honest .... Rachel G (10/21/2007 5:29 p.m.)
      - Scrupulously everything!   nan duval (10/24/2007 11:15 p.m.)
        
        Very well said!;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/25/2007 6:25 a.m.)
        
        Agree absolutely   Rachel G (10/25/2007 4:03 a.m.)
- what is telling to me LouAnn (10/20/2007 9:14 p.m.)
  - Yes Rachel G (10/20/2007 9:25 p.m.)

The Task and Apricots. JulieW (10/20/2007 10:31 a.m.)

fascinating! Tifah (10/20/2007 4:11 p.m.)
- I think thats one JulieW (10/20/2007 4:17 p.m.)
Bah! JulieW (10/20/2007 12:19 p.m.)
- Superior, JulieW.. superior... Robbin (10/20/2007 1:01 p.m.)
Fantastic connections... Moni (10/20/2007 10:48 a.m.)

Chapter 5- Mr Repton. JulieW (10/20/2007 10:00 a.m.)

Opps..... JulieW (10/20/2007 11:10 a.m.)
- Mr. Repton may hug himself… Robbin (10/20/2007 4:00 p.m.)
  - Mr Rushworth JulieW (10/20/2007 4:23 p.m.)
    - LoL! So right. nfm ;D Robbin (10/20/2007 5:09 p.m.)
Intriguing facts about Repton... Moni (10/20/2007 10:51 a.m.)

Ch. 6 - Mrs. Norris is at it again Bea (10/20/2007 1:04 a.m.)

A question Fannie (10/20/2007 1:14 p.m.)
- Possible answer Bea (10/20/2007 1:57 p.m.)
  - That makes sense nfm Fannie (10/20/2007 3:03 p.m.)
Norris the bulldozer Robbin (10/20/2007 4:04 a.m.)
- Love this listing LaurieC (10/20/2007 11:45 a.m.)
- her consideration of Mrs Rushworth LouAnn (10/20/2007 11:19 a.m.)

Ch. 6 - more on Mrs. Grant LaurieC (10/19/2007 11:16 p.m.)

Mrs Grant at dinner... Mandy N (10/21/2007 5:12 a.m.)
- Dr Grant was provoked LouAnn (10/21/2007 4:50 p.m.)
  - Yes, I agree that comment... Moni (10/22/2007 10:13 a.m.)

His teeth are so good. Tifah (10/19/2007 10:29 p.m.)

The comment about teeth made me think Jean B (10/20/2007 4:27 p.m.)
- LOL. yes, well Tifah (10/20/2007 5:26 p.m.)
  - Lots of sugar, crude dentistry, bad teeth the norm! nfm Rachel G (10/20/2007 5:46 p.m.)
LOL I love that progression too Anne Lydia (10/20/2007 10:11 a.m.)

Ch. 6 - setting the table LaurieC (10/19/2007 8:51 p.m.)

Question about Mary's "chosen place" at the table Laurel (10/20/2007 8:11 p.m.)
More jarring moments - Mary (& Edmund) Rachel G (10/20/2007 7:07 a.m.)
- I have a hard time agreeing with Fanny and Edmund too Anne Lydia (10/20/2007 9:23 a.m.)
  - Gratitude is very important to Fanny in particular,... Adrian (10/20/2007 1:34 p.m.)
    - I think you're right Anne Lydia (10/20/2007 2:47 p.m.)
  - Pardon me... Fannie (10/20/2007 1:03 p.m.)
    - Ch. 6 - Rears and Vices LaurieC (10/20/2007 1:16 p.m.)
      - Ah.. Fannie (10/20/2007 1:25 p.m.)
A jarring moment at dinner - Dr Grant. Rachel G (10/20/2007 5:20 a.m.)
Lady B Fannie (10/19/2007 9:19 p.m.)
- Ack! LaurieC (10/19/2007 9:34 p.m.)
  - LOL nfm Fannie (10/19/2007 9:41 p.m.)

Ch. 6 - introducing a motif LaurieC (10/19/2007 7:49 p.m.)

Ch. 6 - a brief description of Sotherton LaurieC (10/19/2007 10:28 p.m.)
- Sotherton - symbolic of Mr Rushworth Luc (10/20/2007 1:55 a.m.)
  - Great insight---and a few more symbolic moments Anne Lydia (10/20/2007 10:15 a.m.)
    - Excellent points! Luc (10/22/2007 9:52 a.m.)
    - Edmund as Pygmalion Connie (10/20/2007 3:58 p.m.)
      - I like the idea Luc (10/22/2007 9:57 a.m.)
    - Interesting observations...contemplating change. Mandy N (10/20/2007 11:49 a.m.)
      - Moor Park Apricots LaurieC (10/20/2007 12:07 p.m.)
  - What a neat observation! nfm Rachel G (10/20/2007 4:55 a.m.)

CH 5, : some LOL lines. Reeba (10/19/2007 2:59 p.m.)

Ch. 5 - Poor Miss Sneyd! LaurieC (10/19/2007 3:14 p.m.)
- LOL to all of these... Moni (10/22/2007 10:09 a.m.)

Note to Group Read Participants LaurieC (10/19/2007 1:08 p.m.)

Mary and Henry's conversation chap5 Elbè (10/19/2007 8:59 a.m.)

I thought this was actually a three-part conversation . . . Bea (10/20/2007 12:48 a.m.)
- I saw it the same way. nfm Christopher (10/20/2007 12:26 p.m.)
Ch. 5 - Henry's observation LaurieC (10/19/2007 12:53 p.m.)
- Henry & Mary... Mandy N (10/19/2007 2:54 p.m.)

Sir Thomas approves of Mr. Rushworth (Ch. 4) Maisy (10/19/2007 7:54 a.m.)

As for Sir Thomas... Tuija (10/20/2007 12:15 a.m.)
- In Sir Thomas's defense Adrian (10/20/2007 2:08 p.m.)
  - Indeed - I also meant to defend him Tuija (10/22/2007 9:02 a.m.)
    - Agreed! (nfm) Adrian (10/22/2007 12:46 p.m.)
I think that... Lisa M. (10/19/2007 1:26 p.m.)

Sir Thomas - the protagonist of MP? Tracy W (10/19/2007 5:19 a.m.)

Definitive information re "out" Bea (10/19/2007 2:06 a.m.)

'she dined at the Parsonage yet had little to say' Ch.5 Mandy N (10/19/2007 5:55 a.m.)
- Ch. 5 - being "out" - age & sense of a woman LaurieC (10/19/2007 9:51 a.m.)
  - my understanding Tifah (10/19/2007 10:06 p.m.)
  - Ch. 5 - I wonder if JA... LaurieC (10/19/2007 10:42 a.m.)

Fanny's opinion of Henry Connie (10/18/2007 11:17 p.m.)

You have put a lot... Reeba (10/19/2007 3:17 p.m.)
- Specially considering that Graciela (10/19/2007 5:39 p.m.)

"Black and plain." Lila (10/18/2007 9:59 p.m.)

Hair color, etc. LaurieC (10/18/2007 10:03 p.m.)

Ch. 5 - Mrs. Grant's advyce LaurieC (10/18/2007 9:32 p.m.)

Mrs Grant & Mary. Rachel G (10/19/2007 2:34 p.m.)
Interesting to think about;-) (nfm) Moni (10/19/2007 9:59 a.m.)

Ch. 4 - Matrimony is the object LaurieC (10/18/2007 7:31 p.m.)

Pray, is she out, or is she not? Luc (10/19/2007 2:00 a.m.)
- Some things never change JoAnn (10/21/2007 12:36 a.m.)
  - LOL!! nfm Rachel G (10/21/2007 4:10 a.m.)
- Symbolism of "Out or not Out" Anne Lydia (10/19/2007 4:10 p.m.)
  - Indeed! Luc (10/20/2007 2:00 a.m.)
  - The youngest out before the elder were married!? Adrian (10/19/2007 6:24 p.m.)
- Edmund on whether Fanny is out Connie (10/19/2007 3:40 p.m.)
- It would probably... Reeba (10/19/2007 4:30 a.m.)
  - More info on being "out" LaurieC (10/19/2007 9:55 a.m.)

The Crawfords bring comparisons and contrasts Connie (10/18/2007 3:34 p.m.)

These will be interesting parallels to look at LaurieC (10/18/2007 3:39 p.m.)
- well balanced Tifah (10/18/2007 3:49 p.m.)

How did Lady Bertram ever meet her husband, Connie (10/18/2007 3:22 p.m.)

As Robbin said below... LaurieC (10/18/2007 3:46 p.m.)
a gradual development, maybe Tifah (10/18/2007 3:45 p.m.)
- Mrs Norris encourages indolence. Rachel G (10/18/2007 7:22 p.m.)

the specter of the Admiral Tifah (10/18/2007 3:07 p.m.)

There is mention here of Henry's... Moni (10/20/2007 11:05 a.m.)
- Ch. 4 - address of a French-woman LaurieC (10/20/2007 11:38 a.m.)
  - Shades of Mrs Bennett... Rachel G (10/20/2007 12:28 p.m.)
  - Makes good sense, thanks LaurieC;-) (nfm) Moni (10/20/2007 11:42 a.m.)

Ch 4 Edmund's 3 horses Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 2:05 p.m.)

Edmund's choice Peggy (10/19/2007 8:34 a.m.)
- Perhaps Crystal (10/19/2007 11:34 p.m.)
- Interesting. I didn't catch that. Connie (10/19/2007 3:50 p.m.)
- Defanging Mrs Norris Tracy W (10/19/2007 10:12 a.m.)
  - Ahh! This makes sense. Thanks! -nfm Maisy (10/20/2007 10:32 a.m.)
- It actually makes Edmund JulieW (10/19/2007 9:18 a.m.)
  - Absolutely! nfm Peggy (10/19/2007 9:42 a.m.)
- Useful Elbè (10/19/2007 9:03 a.m.)
I think Edmund may JulieW (10/18/2007 2:30 p.m.)
- When his father was gone... Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 3:16 p.m.)
  - Yes, JulieW (10/18/2007 3:59 p.m.)
    - Not as expensive as I thought Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 4:26 p.m.)
      - I'll post some plans of stables tomorrow....   JulieW (10/18/2007 4:56 p.m.)
        
        Stables.   JulieW (10/19/2007 10:02 a.m.)
        
        Dumb question...   Moni (10/20/2007 12:01 p.m.)
        
        She could redecorate when Tom   JulieW (10/20/2007 12:52 p.m.)
        
        Very helpful, thanks JulieW;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/21/2007 1:52 a.m.)
        
        £20,000 = £800-£1,000 a year. nfn   Rachel G (10/20/2007 12:33 p.m.)
        
        Thank you;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/21/2007 9:30 a.m.)
        
        Stables - great information…   Robbin (10/19/2007 11:03 p.m.)
        
        The term "gaming" meant   JulieW (10/20/2007 5:48 a.m.)
        
        Neat stuff…   Robbin (10/20/2007 12:39 p.m.)
        
        From this explanation, it's easy to see...   Moni (10/20/2007 8:34 a.m.)
        
        Also easy to understand   Maisy (10/20/2007 10:30 a.m.)
        
        Wow!   Joan Ellen (10/19/2007 3:38 p.m.)
  - Cost of horses then and now... Elbè (10/18/2007 3:40 p.m.)
    - Horses Fannie (10/18/2007 4:09 p.m.)
      - Got it I think. Rachel G (10/18/2007 7:10 p.m.)
        
        A caveat JulieW (10/19/2007 2:46 a.m.)

Ch 4. Fanny's alarms & embarrassments Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 1:46 p.m.)

It sounds awful! Peggy (10/19/2007 8:31 a.m.)
Poor Fanny indeed! Rachel G (10/18/2007 2:24 p.m.)
Ch. 4 - a comfortable winter LaurieC (10/18/2007 2:10 p.m.)
- Questions about Edmund accompanying his sisters Adrian (10/18/2007 2:21 p.m.)
  - I would think not Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 3:22 p.m.)
- Ch 4 "everything to Lady Bertram" Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 2:20 p.m.)
  - Fanny seems.. Rebecca K (10/19/2007 12:38 a.m.)
  - I am sure Mrs. Norris was sometimes useful in spite of ... Adrian (10/18/2007 2:25 p.m.)
    - I suppose she couldn't help being truly useful on occasion Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 3:27 p.m.)

Shameless flirting? Peggy (10/18/2007 1:45 p.m.)

Ch. 5 - Henry's ways LaurieC (10/18/2007 7:57 p.m.)

Ch. 4 - Mrs. Norris as stand-in LaurieC (10/18/2007 12:11 p.m.)

A wider society Jean B (10/18/2007 3:03 p.m.)
I think it might have been somewhat different Laurel (10/18/2007 12:52 p.m.)
- I agree it would have been different Tifah (10/18/2007 2:40 p.m.)

Just stopped in to say hi, because this is my favourite... Delories (10/18/2007 11:02 a.m.)

Best of luck! Thanks for stopping by. :-) *nfm* LaurieC (10/18/2007 11:39 a.m.)
Join us when exams are over. Good luck! nfm Rachel G (10/18/2007 11:10 a.m.)

Ch. 4 - Mr. Rushworth and Maria LaurieC (10/18/2007 10:36 a.m.)

Interesting that the word duty... Maisy (10/18/2007 5:08 p.m.)
- Duty Patricia N (10/20/2007 3:30 p.m.)
- It is interesting… Robbin (10/18/2007 10:02 p.m.)
It seems the basic reasons... Reeba (10/18/2007 4:55 p.m.)
- Marriage by appearances. Mandy N (10/19/2007 3:59 p.m.)
- And maybe Maria wanted to be married first Rebecca K (10/19/2007 12:48 a.m.)
  - Mrs. Norris Elbè (10/19/2007 7:58 a.m.)
    - That's right! nfm Rebecca K (10/20/2007 11:18 p.m.)
Interesting to think Mrs Norris... Moni (10/18/2007 10:48 a.m.)
Ch. 4 - A shocker LaurieC (10/18/2007 10:43 a.m.)
- 10 miles + indifferent road??!! =8O (nfm) Reeba (10/18/2007 4:36 p.m.)
- My issue with this Jean B (10/18/2007 3:26 p.m.)
- Superhuman exertion required LOL! nfm Rachel G (10/18/2007 10:48 a.m.)

More Clarkson Names JulieW (10/18/2007 8:38 a.m.)

I'm with ya, thanks JulieW! nfm ;D Robbin (10/19/2007 4:16 a.m.)

Why Antigua? (Long) JulieW (10/18/2007 8:03 a.m.)

Bertram estates.... Mandy N (10/19/2007 1:18 p.m.)
Ah yes. Mr. Nibbs.. Reeba (10/18/2007 9:57 a.m.)
Willoughby! Mmm would like to find out Elbè (10/18/2007 9:37 a.m.)
- I don't think it is possible JulieW (10/18/2007 9:46 a.m.)

Rather shocked Elbè (10/18/2007 7:41 a.m.)

A question about Mary's departure from her uncle's house Line (10/20/2007 9:36 p.m.)
- Mary is not yet married. JulieW (10/21/2007 5:22 a.m.)
  - Thanks, everyone Line (10/22/2007 10:43 p.m.)
  - This reality makes everything... Moni (10/21/2007 6:08 a.m.)
- Perhaps Mary's choice? Elbè (10/21/2007 4:10 a.m.)
  - Self-protection. Rachel G (10/21/2007 5:17 a.m.)
This quote shook me Jean B (10/18/2007 3:31 p.m.)
- I don't think it was approved, but the worst was Graciela (10/18/2007 4:46 p.m.)
  - It as not unknown...... JulieW (10/18/2007 5:00 p.m.)
No, not a fine model at all JulieW (10/18/2007 8:00 a.m.)
- Are the dark areas behind the gardens of the residences... Adrian (10/18/2007 1:06 p.m.)
  - The dark coloured buildings JulieW (10/18/2007 5:53 p.m.)
    - Here you are..... JulieW (10/19/2007 6:38 a.m.)
      - Cool! Lots of drawing rooms too. :-) Thanks (nfm) Adrian (10/19/2007 12:37 p.m.)
    - Thank you! (nfm) Adrian (10/18/2007 6:20 p.m.)
- Trust me JulieW (10/18/2007 8:52 a.m.)
  - Thanks Julie! -nfm Elbè (10/18/2007 9:09 a.m.)

Dark & twisted Norriss Rachel G (10/18/2007 5:55 a.m.)

Oh dear!¨ :-/ Reeba (10/18/2007 10:13 a.m.)
- She's an outragous charecter... Mandy N (10/20/2007 12:05 p.m.)
  - Any change of routine in the household will do. Adrian (10/20/2007 2:37 p.m.)
Totally, totally agree... Moni (10/18/2007 6:05 a.m.)
- And there's more... Moni (10/18/2007 6:16 a.m.)
  - Ch. 4 - JA lightens the mood LaurieC (10/18/2007 10:22 a.m.)
    - LOL!... Moni (10/18/2007 10:40 a.m.)
  - Foreboding & a parent's care Rachel G (10/18/2007 8:44 a.m.)
    - Got it, thank you;-) (nfm) Moni (10/18/2007 8:51 a.m.)

I have this wild theory Tifah (10/18/2007 2:45 a.m.)

Quite reasonable William L (10/18/2007 11:27 a.m.)
- very true Tifah (10/18/2007 1:19 p.m.)
Not crazy at all! Elbè (10/18/2007 7:29 a.m.)
Interesting that Lady Bertram.. Reeba (10/18/2007 6:32 a.m.)

LOL line from Chapter 4… Robbin (10/18/2007 2:45 a.m.)

I just came on a good one JoAnn (10/20/2007 11:57 p.m.)
One from Chapter 3 that never registered before Joan Ellen (10/18/2007 1:38 p.m.)
A couple more ;-) Reeba (10/18/2007 9:33 a.m.)
- Lady Bertram seems almost comatose... Lila (10/18/2007 10:05 p.m.)

Unfavorable circumstances Robbin (10/18/2007 2:40 a.m.)

A few thoughts on 'unfavourable circumstances'. Mandy N (10/18/2007 5:38 a.m.)
- It is but too true… Robbin (10/18/2007 10:08 p.m.)
- I think it is quite possible, Mandy. Reeba (10/18/2007 6:44 a.m.)

The Crawfords & Mrs. Grant Robbin (10/18/2007 1:59 a.m.)

Does affection catch Mary unawares? Adrian (10/19/2007 1:43 p.m.)
- Her interest in Edmund Patricia N (10/20/2007 3:05 p.m.)
  - Right! (IMHO) Connie (10/20/2007 4:21 p.m.)
    - There is a sort of parallel with Henry Tilney's... Adrian (10/20/2007 7:45 p.m.)
Love the comparison... Moni (10/18/2007 11:17 a.m.)
Some thoughts about Mary Rachel G (10/18/2007 10:37 a.m.)
- Beggars can’t be choosers Robbin (10/19/2007 3:07 a.m.)
  - More about introducing Mary. Rachel G (10/19/2007 2:08 p.m.)
    - Mary’s doubts and apprehensions Robbin (10/21/2007 10:45 p.m.)
      - Your comments about Dr. Grant's income... Adrian (10/22/2007 1:05 p.m.)
        
        I agree… Robbin (10/23/2007 2:36 a.m.)
    - Mary gives Gratitude a miss Robbin (10/21/2007 10:27 p.m.)
      - A can of worms: can we examine Mary's gratitude...   Adrian (10/22/2007 1:21 p.m.)
        
        Fanny & Gratitude (1 to 8) Long   Robbin (10/24/2007 1:28 a.m.)
        
        Where to startt?   nan duval (10/24/2007 10:08 p.m.)
        
        More thoughts on gratitude   nan duval (10/24/2007 10:33 p.m.)
        
        Fanny, Mary & ingratitude   Robbin (10/25/2007 12:09 a.m.)
- Hmm, a tough one Becka L (10/18/2007 1:48 p.m.)
  - Mansfield vs London Luc (10/19/2007 12:10 a.m.)
    - I do not mean to equate their upbringings... Becka L (10/19/2007 10:11 a.m.)
      - IMO your reasoning works Luc (10/20/2007 1:04 a.m.)
  - Mary's mother could have died long ago Graciela (10/18/2007 4:13 p.m.)
    - We do know the common parent Christopher (10/18/2007 7:12 p.m.)
      - Thanks; I missed it. As for their father Graciela (10/19/2007 4:21 p.m.)
      - Perhaps the father was like the brother... Elbè (10/19/2007 7:48 a.m.)
The Crawfords brighten the scene. Rachel G (10/18/2007 9:03 a.m.)
- Happy manners… Robbin (10/19/2007 3:11 a.m.)
- Indeed yes Tracy W (10/18/2007 12:11 p.m.)
- The Crawfords Anne Lydia (10/18/2007 9:40 a.m.)

Edmund's insistence that Fanny have a horse Rebecca K (10/17/2007 10:28 p.m.)

Ch. 4 - Edmund's gift to Fanny LaurieC (10/17/2007 11:51 p.m.)
Finally a Bertram took on Mrs. Norris . . . Bea (10/17/2007 11:30 p.m.)
- Yay! Big cheer for Edmund! Rachel G (10/18/2007 4:58 a.m.)
- Yes indeed..., Mandy N (10/18/2007 1:40 a.m.)

Fanny's health Tifah (10/17/2007 10:15 p.m.)

I have always thought Fanny's weakness lung-related. Adrian (10/18/2007 12:39 p.m.)
Walking is weight-bearing exercise Tracy W (10/18/2007 12:12 p.m.)
I was also wondering that Elbè (10/18/2007 5:08 a.m.)

Same cousin, different treatment (Chapter 2) Robbin (10/17/2007 8:13 p.m.)

Cattiness? Lila (10/18/2007 9:39 p.m.)
- Jealous of and threatened by Fanny Robbin (10/19/2007 2:48 a.m.)
  - Nothing in the text that I have read up to this point... Lila (10/19/2007 10:19 p.m.)
    - Not so much jealousy as insignificance Adrian (10/20/2007 2:45 p.m.)
    - Great, thanks for explaining. nfm ;D Robbin (10/19/2007 10:55 p.m.)
Mrs. Norris Connie (10/18/2007 2:56 p.m.)
The effect of Eton? Tracy W (10/18/2007 3:52 a.m.)
Less competition? Rebecca K (10/17/2007 10:15 p.m.)
Ch. 2 - Tom more "regular brotherlike"? LaurieC (10/17/2007 8:31 p.m.)
- Also Fanny was probably easier to tease... Adrian (10/18/2007 12:31 p.m.)

Ch. 4 - more evidence of Mrs. Norris' spirit of activity LaurieC (10/17/2007 8:11 p.m.)

And a creepy Mrs Norris... Moni (10/18/2007 6:02 a.m.)
- Where does she find the time? Adrian (10/18/2007 12:24 p.m.)

Chs. 3 - 4 - Opening paragraphs LaurieC (10/17/2007 6:02 p.m.)

It's odd too how... Moni (10/18/2007 10:44 a.m.)
Ch. 4 - Directing her letters? LaurieC (10/17/2007 6:09 p.m.)
- Addressing them? Maisy (10/17/2007 6:21 p.m.)
  - Thank you! LaurieC (10/17/2007 8:19 p.m.)

Fanny as Hero Connie (10/17/2007 4:24 p.m.)

Loved your post! Amy marie (10/20/2007 8:50 a.m.)
Wonderful post! Much to think about there. NFM Crystal (10/17/2007 4:31 p.m.)

No one but Lady B is sad to see Sir Thomas go Tifah (10/17/2007 1:44 p.m.)

It is interesting to see how Mrs. Norris's every decision... Adrian (10/17/2007 2:10 p.m.)

Ch. 3 - ages of the characters LaurieC (10/17/2007 10:11 a.m.)

What about William? Rebecca K (10/17/2007 8:14 p.m.)

A LOL line from CH 3 :-D Reeba (10/17/2007 9:57 a.m.)

One from Mrs. Norris Graciela (10/18/2007 3:35 p.m.)
Another line I love Anne Lydia (10/17/2007 11:29 a.m.)
- Poor Mr. Norris Joan Ellen (10/17/2007 8:40 p.m.)
  - LOL! (nfm) Katrina (10/17/2007 9:26 p.m.)
- Mr Norris Elbè (10/17/2007 5:29 p.m.)
  - Or he could have just died to be free of Mrs. Norris. nfm Lila (10/17/2007 11:42 p.m.)
    - Quite so! nfm Rachel G (10/18/2007 4:59 a.m.)
  - Friend of Sir Thomas (ch1), so perhaps a contemporary? nfm Tom P2 (10/17/2007 7:49 p.m.)
Ch. 3 - another LOL line LaurieC (10/17/2007 10:01 a.m.)
- And another Bea (10/17/2007 12:19 p.m.)

Sir Thomas Elbè (10/17/2007 4:10 a.m.)

Was this remark designed... Moni (10/18/2007 4:17 a.m.)
Fanny is way too sensitive.... Lila (10/17/2007 11:36 p.m.)
- I feel that JA ... Reeba (10/18/2007 4:19 a.m.)
  - Fanny really wanted Sir Thomas to like her Elbè (10/18/2007 4:54 a.m.)
    - This sounds a lot like Lizzy's initial relation with Darcy. Adrian (10/18/2007 1:37 p.m.)
  - Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (10/18/2007 4:34 a.m.)
Why did they think Fanny a hypocrite? Lucy J (10/17/2007 6:16 a.m.)
- They believed Fanny was sucking up Elbè (10/17/2007 7:13 a.m.)
  - The Bertram sisters were right in thinking... Reeba (10/17/2007 7:55 a.m.)
    - This is another in a series Jean B (10/17/2007 2:53 p.m.)
      - You ask a good question...   Robbin (10/17/2007 7:26 p.m.)
        
        I think you should dare, they are beastly! (NFM)   Jean B (10/18/2007 2:45 p.m.)
        
        It's like they have put her in a category...   Moni (10/18/2007 4:11 a.m.)
Sir Thomas' parting shot ... Rachel G (10/17/2007 5:13 a.m.)
- I agree. Don't think he meant... Reeba (10/17/2007 9:05 a.m.)
  - He may only have meant to say what Edmund had... Adrian (10/17/2007 12:55 p.m.)
    - Yet Fanny was mortified, Mandy N (10/17/2007 1:46 p.m.)
      - I do not think Sir Thomas knows Fanny well.   Adrian (10/17/2007 2:01 p.m.)
        
        Sometimes wondered...   Elbè (10/17/2007 5:25 p.m.)
        
        Agreed, Sir Thomas does not...   Mandy N (10/17/2007 2:23 p.m.)
        
        I never felt Sir Thomas knew of Edmund's role...   Adrian (10/17/2007 5:45 p.m.)

Edmund's lack of insight about Mrs. Norris Bea (10/17/2007 3:25 a.m.)

Maybe I am missing something... Lila (10/17/2007 11:14 p.m.)
- It's difficult because... Moni (10/18/2007 4:32 a.m.)
- No, I agree with you Crystal (10/18/2007 12:17 a.m.)
Edmund needs a slap upside his head Maria João (10/17/2007 5:10 p.m.)
- Easy to say, but the Bertram's seem to find physical... Adrian (10/17/2007 5:48 p.m.)
Pecking order... Moni (10/17/2007 10:17 a.m.)
From Portsmouth to Mansfield Park to White House . Reeba (10/17/2007 9:31 a.m.)
- People move all the time.... Lila (10/17/2007 11:29 p.m.)
  - Children don't move alone Katrina (10/17/2007 11:38 p.m.)
    - Customs of the time Tracy W (10/18/2007 4:06 a.m.)
      - But we are talking about...   Reeba (10/18/2007 5:39 a.m.)
        
        And many people found it very tough   Tracy W (10/18/2007 12:03 p.m.)
        
        All I can say to..   Reeba (10/18/2007 1:44 p.m.)
        
        Indeed, girls were dispatched at young ages too   Tracy W (10/19/2007 6:48 a.m.)
        
        I've same feelings for the maids :-) nfm   Reeba (10/19/2007 12:19 p.m.)
        
        and...   Maisy (10/18/2007 7:18 a.m.)
- Insensitive Maisy (10/17/2007 5:30 p.m.)
She's a bully and a toady Deborah Y (10/17/2007 9:22 a.m.)
Perhaps Mrs. Norris has her good points? Rebecca K (10/17/2007 6:21 a.m.)
- Yeah, I thought he just saw the positive in people Lucy J (10/17/2007 8:10 a.m.)
  - Yes, that's right Rebecca K (10/17/2007 8:19 p.m.)
Disappointed with Edmund here. Rachel G (10/17/2007 4:43 a.m.)
- Edmund hears about it from Fanny as a done deal. nan duval (10/21/2007 9:01 p.m.)
- Remember Edmund thinks Mrs Norris has agreed Tracy W (10/17/2007 6:38 a.m.)
  - I agree! nfm Rebecca K (10/17/2007 10:30 p.m.)
  - Steamroller Rachel G (10/17/2007 1:00 p.m.)
    - Thank you for explaining Tracy W (10/18/2007 3:43 a.m.)
  - I agree, though I think he should have been more sensitive Anne Lydia (10/17/2007 9:15 a.m.)
    - From the beginning Edmund has been unaware... Reeba (10/17/2007 9:39 a.m.)
      - Very good point   Anne Lydia (10/17/2007 12:31 p.m.)
        
        Edmund   Fannie (10/17/2007 1:50 p.m.)
        
        That's what I thought too, until...   Katrina (10/17/2007 2:27 p.m.)
        
        I didn't   Fannie (10/17/2007 3:23 p.m.)
        
        I am now persuaded...   Christopher (10/17/2007 3:12 p.m.)
        
        I am sure it's the latter. nfm   Reeba (10/17/2007 3:10 p.m.)
        
        Agree. He should have been more sure of his facts...   Reeba (10/17/2007 1:14 p.m.)
        
        Yes, but Edmund is used to guiding Fanny's thinking.   Adrian (10/17/2007 12:49 p.m.)
Edmund's judgement like his father's Elbè (10/17/2007 4:01 a.m.)
- Ch. 3 - or, even scarier, like his mother's ;-) LaurieC (10/17/2007 12:36 p.m.)

Ch. 3 - Hard times LaurieC (10/16/2007 8:34 p.m.)

Ch. 3 - an echo from chapter 1 LaurieC (10/16/2007 11:21 p.m.)
- Yes, she is a complex... Moni (10/17/2007 10:23 a.m.)

Ch. 3 - Dr. and Mrs. Grant LaurieC (10/16/2007 8:08 p.m.)

Definitely Connie (10/17/2007 12:12 a.m.)
- Ch. 3 - Mrs. Norris investigates the Grants LaurieC (10/17/2007 10:39 a.m.)
  - Pitiful doings... Reeba (10/17/2007 12:47 p.m.)
    - I think so too Maisy (10/17/2007 4:06 p.m.)
  - Ch. 3 - Mrs. Norris' reaction LaurieC (10/17/2007 12:44 p.m.)
    - Defensive Maisy (10/17/2007 4:14 p.m.)
    - I think Mrs. Norris definitely feels defensive Anne Lydia (10/17/2007 1:04 p.m.)

Chs. 2-3 - Tom Bertram LaurieC (10/16/2007 7:59 p.m.)

The term "all the liberal dispositions..."... Moni (10/17/2007 10:43 a.m.)
- I think you are right LaurieC (10/17/2007 11:00 a.m.)
  - A sense of entitlement Maisy (10/17/2007 4:01 p.m.)
  - I think that is very correct, Laurie JulieW (10/17/2007 12:18 p.m.)
    - Thanks JulieW and LaurieC;-) (nfm) Moni (10/18/2007 3:18 a.m.)
Why is Tom so selfish? Rachel G (10/16/2007 9:03 p.m.)
- Was he selfish or merely careless? Lila (10/17/2007 10:53 p.m.)
- excuse #1 from Laurie C's post LouAnn (10/17/2007 1:43 p.m.)
- Younger vs. elder sons Heather RC (10/16/2007 10:32 p.m.)
  - This is very interesting... Eldest children... Lila (10/17/2007 10:58 p.m.)
    - I don't think in every case Crystal (10/18/2007 12:20 a.m.)
  - Nature vs nurture Connie (10/17/2007 12:10 a.m.)

Ignorance and Poor Parenting in Chapter 2 Bea (10/16/2007 5:31 p.m.)

Ladies and Accomplishments Anne Lydia (10/16/2007 6:37 p.m.)
- 'Nerds' Elbè (10/17/2007 3:24 a.m.)
  - Fanny's education compared to Miss Bertrams. Mandy N (10/17/2007 11:17 a.m.)
    - What is superficial about maps of Europe? Tracy W (10/17/2007 1:00 p.m.)
      - 'But they were too much used to company and praise..'   Mandy N (10/17/2007 4:27 p.m.)
        
        General reminder about tone of posts   LaurieC (10/17/2007 5:51 p.m.)
        
        No problem..   Mandy N (10/17/2007 8:50 p.m.)
- Horrid, horrid Mrs. Norris! Lila (10/16/2007 10:57 p.m.)
  - I don't think Mrs. Norris can be held entirely responsible. . . Bea (10/17/2007 1:13 a.m.)
    - Perhaps Patricia N (10/17/2007 1:29 p.m.)
Exactly so! Tifah (10/16/2007 5:50 p.m.)

This group read Fannie (10/16/2007 4:43 p.m.)

Thank you! LaurieC (10/16/2007 4:55 p.m.)
- I was encouraged to join... Reeba (10/17/2007 7:45 a.m.)
  - I think the read gives... Moni (10/19/2007 11:45 p.m.)
One key thing about Fanny... Heather RC (10/16/2007 4:54 p.m.)
- Timidity and reserve Connie (10/16/2007 11:57 p.m.)
  - Especially with Aunt Norris Patricia N (10/17/2007 1:19 p.m.)
  - IMO Fanny fears most of all to be accused of lacking... Adrian (10/17/2007 1:07 p.m.)

Young Fanny and her mother Elbè (10/16/2007 4:20 p.m.)

Echoes of Edmund... Moni (10/18/2007 5:24 a.m.)
- Do we have any evidence of ill-treatment of Fanny... Adrian (10/18/2007 2:04 p.m.)
  - Damsel in distress Robbin (10/19/2007 2:44 a.m.)
    - I think in large part we agree, but I note "timidity".. Adrian (10/19/2007 1:14 p.m.)
      - Blame-o-meter   Robbin (10/20/2007 3:37 a.m.)
        
        Dr. Johnson does add to your case :-)   Adrian (10/20/2007 2:26 p.m.)
        
        I was wondering also about giving Fanny away   Graciela (10/20/2007 4:42 p.m.)
      - The reason for .. Reeba (10/19/2007 3:39 p.m.)
  - This responds to the post above it... Moni (10/18/2007 11:08 p.m.)
In large families.... Rebecca K (10/16/2007 8:10 p.m.)
- LIke this explanation BarbaraB (10/16/2007 10:51 p.m.)
  - Yes Rebecca K (10/17/2007 3:16 a.m.)
I wonder if... Maisy (10/16/2007 6:20 p.m.)
- Well said;-) (nfm) Moni (10/18/2007 5:18 a.m.)
I didn't notice this sentence. Reeba (10/16/2007 5:24 p.m.)
- Wrong word :-) Reeba (10/17/2007 7:44 a.m.)
delicate and puny Tifah (10/16/2007 5:23 p.m.)
- I think you have it right Connie (10/16/2007 11:52 p.m.)

Woolwich Chaz (10/16/2007 2:44 p.m.)

Woolwich Maisy (10/16/2007 2:54 p.m.)

Sir Thomas -- complicated character Tifah (10/16/2007 2:38 p.m.)

questions about parsonages Peggy (10/16/2007 1:38 p.m.)

Thank you!! Peggy (10/17/2007 7:17 p.m.)
I had exactly the same doubt when I read it! nfm Maria João (10/16/2007 2:55 p.m.)
The living was sold to Dr. Grant Anne Lydia (10/16/2007 2:10 p.m.)
No, not really Peggy JulieW (10/16/2007 1:49 p.m.)

The Island JulieW (10/16/2007 11:57 a.m.)

Very interesting, JulieW;-) (nfm) Moni (10/17/2007 10:25 a.m.)
I remember this view at Portsmouth :-) nfm Reeba (10/16/2007 1:42 p.m.)

Ch. 2 - Kindness & a turning point LaurieC (10/16/2007 11:27 a.m.)

Very sensitive handling of a tricky... Moni (10/17/2007 10:48 a.m.)
Active, not passive kindness needed Connie (10/16/2007 3:50 p.m.)
- This makes perfect sense... Lila (10/16/2007 10:38 p.m.)
  - Fanny's homesickness... Mandy N (10/17/2007 12:37 p.m.)
  - I see what you mean... Elbè (10/17/2007 3:17 a.m.)
I think "turning point" is a little strong . . . Bea (10/16/2007 2:57 p.m.)
- And I was struck with this... Candace (10/16/2007 5:23 p.m.)
Edmund's kindness Rachel G (10/16/2007 1:28 p.m.)
- This is my first read of MP.... Lila (10/16/2007 10:41 p.m.)
  - I don't. Rachel G (10/17/2007 3:45 a.m.)
- Definitely! Rebecca K (10/16/2007 8:17 p.m.)
- Yes! Connie (10/16/2007 4:01 p.m.)
  - I don't know that I entirely agree with that... Elizabeth Sycamore (10/16/2007 5:14 p.m.)
Yes, in many ways Edmund starts to become... Adrian (10/16/2007 1:21 p.m.)
- Ch. 2 - Writing to William LaurieC (10/16/2007 1:32 p.m.)
  - "Guinea under the Seal"? Heather RC (10/16/2007 4:45 p.m.)
    - It is a kindness both to Fanny and to William, a cousin... Adrian (10/16/2007 6:03 p.m.)
      - Edmund shows very good form!;-) (nfm) Moni (10/17/2007 10:52 a.m.)
  - Evindence of Edmund's suitability for his chosen vocation. Adrian (10/16/2007 1:58 p.m.)

Ch. 2 - Moderation in all things? LaurieC (10/16/2007 11:05 a.m.)

Moderation in all things... Reeba (10/16/2007 11:26 a.m.)
- Mrs. Norris's doubletalk Anne Lydia (10/16/2007 11:44 a.m.)
  - I agree Connie (10/16/2007 3:45 p.m.)

Injudicious particularity. Rachel G (10/16/2007 10:12 a.m.)

Ch. 2 - Singled out? LaurieC (10/16/2007 10:56 a.m.)
- Deserved & undeserved distinction Robbin (10/16/2007 5:22 p.m.)
  - Excellent analysis. I only have one question... Lila (10/16/2007 10:49 p.m.)
    - The right thing… Robbin (10/17/2007 12:35 a.m.)
      - I agree that Sir Thomas's intent is unreservedly kind...   Adrian (10/17/2007 1:39 p.m.)
        
        Delicacy not a Norris strong suit   Robbin (10/17/2007 7:06 p.m.)
        
        I love your message title! LOL (nfm)   Adrian (10/18/2007 2:07 p.m.)
      - Jane Fairfax   Deborah Y (10/17/2007 9:40 a.m.)
        
        Is Sir Thomas miserly?   Robbin (10/17/2007 6:41 p.m.)
        
        Not miserly   Deborah Y (10/17/2007 8:57 p.m.)
        
        How many people do you know...   Tracy W (10/18/2007 4:20 a.m.)
        
        She would never be a baronet's daughter   Graciela (10/18/2007 1:12 a.m.)
      - Competition   Elbè (10/17/2007 3:03 a.m.)
        
        Rose colored glasses   Robbin (10/17/2007 6:57 p.m.)
        
        LOL - thanks :) nfm   Elbè (10/18/2007 4:47 a.m.)
    - It reminds me Crystal (10/16/2007 11:22 p.m.)
  - I just notice from your discussion... Adrian (10/16/2007 6:12 p.m.)
  - Injudicious vs. judicious Maisy (10/16/2007 6:00 p.m.)
    - Thanks... Robbin (10/17/2007 7:10 p.m.)
  - Food for thought - Thanks Robbin nfm Rachel G (10/16/2007 5:36 p.m.)
- Ah - that makes sense. Thank you all. nfm Rachel G (10/16/2007 12:15 p.m.)
- I agree Anne Lydia (10/16/2007 11:48 a.m.)
- That's how I... Reeba (10/16/2007 11:02 a.m.)

More on the Norris and her sisters. Rachel G (10/16/2007 10:04 a.m.)

Very good points, Rachel. Reeba (10/16/2007 11:13 a.m.)
- Sulkiness of temper. Rachel G (10/16/2007 12:32 p.m.)
Oops - should be Lieutenant! nfm Rachel G (10/16/2007 11:13 a.m.)

"Black and plain" - was this just a saying Lucy J (10/16/2007 8:58 a.m.)

Henry's hair color LaurieC (10/16/2007 9:30 a.m.)
- I've always been confused by this Joan Ellen (10/16/2007 10:27 a.m.)
  - fair women (and maybe men) Maria João (10/16/2007 3:10 p.m.)

Fanny's education and "Mentoria" JulieW (10/16/2007 4:59 a.m.)

Fascinating. It all fits;-) (nfm) Moni (10/17/2007 11:06 a.m.)
Based on all the information... Reeba (10/16/2007 6:07 a.m.)
- What leapt off the page to me Lucy J (10/16/2007 6:38 a.m.)
  - Fanny's peculiar education Adrian (10/16/2007 1:52 p.m.)

Tone of Chapter One Bea (10/16/2007 12:17 a.m.)

I agree but JeannetteF (10/16/2007 2:26 a.m.)

Ch. 2 - Mrs. Norris as mother? LaurieC (10/15/2007 11:06 p.m.)

Yes, it's almost like everyone... Moni (10/18/2007 3:34 a.m.)
- Norissing on - LOL! nfm Rachel G (10/18/2007 5:20 a.m.)
Childless mother? Connie (10/16/2007 3:41 p.m.)
- I can see it JoAnn (10/20/2007 9:11 p.m.)
I agree but JulieW (10/16/2007 5:59 a.m.)
- Ch. 2 - Lady Bertram's silence LaurieC (10/16/2007 12:38 p.m.)
  - Yes, but it does appear that Fanny prefers Lady Bertram. Lila (10/16/2007 10:30 p.m.)
  - Yes! Lady B does make me laugh , however..... JulieW (10/16/2007 12:57 p.m.)
    - Indeed, Tifah (10/16/2007 2:57 p.m.)
This seems to be the general... Reeba (10/16/2007 5:09 a.m.)
Speaking out of turn.. JeannetteF (10/16/2007 2:23 a.m.)

Dear Edmund and awful Mrs. Norris Rebecca K (10/15/2007 11:04 p.m.)

Hi, Rebecca! LaurieC (10/15/2007 11:14 p.m.)
- That's fine Rebecca K (10/16/2007 5:40 a.m.)

Ch. 2 - Fanny Price arrives LaurieC (10/15/2007 11:00 p.m.)

Play-fellow, instructress, and nurse Adrian (10/16/2007 2:10 p.m.)
Fanny's fear understandable Elbè (10/16/2007 4:21 a.m.)
Along those lines... PeggyS (10/16/2007 2:35 a.m.)
- Yes... Rebecca K (10/16/2007 5:47 a.m.)
Exhausted after 3 days of travel... JeannetteF (10/16/2007 2:33 a.m.)
- Chs. 1 & 2 - advice to Fanny LaurieC (10/16/2007 9:50 a.m.)
  - Yes, and ... Anne Lydia (10/16/2007 11:56 a.m.)
  - Imagine! Katrina (10/16/2007 11:51 a.m.)
    - This is why she depends so much on Edmund. Heather RC (10/16/2007 4:15 p.m.)

no spoilers ** First read - up to ch5 already Lucy J (10/15/2007 9:30 p.m.)

I felt exactly the same way! Elbè (10/16/2007 4:16 a.m.)
- Agree (reliving childhood) - and I think that's what makes me Lucy J (10/16/2007 4:25 a.m.)
  - Childhood. I confess... Reeba (10/16/2007 4:45 a.m.)
    - Fanny's name. Graciela (10/17/2007 1:21 a.m.)
  - sorry - "awe" lol (nfm) Lucy J (10/16/2007 4:27 a.m.)
I agree with all you say! Rebecca K (10/15/2007 10:53 p.m.)

It seems as though Mrs. Norris and Mrs. Price are... Lila (10/15/2007 9:24 p.m.)

And another question... Maisy (10/16/2007 8:19 a.m.)
- I think it was a combination of a pretty face JulieW (10/16/2007 8:39 a.m.)
  - Yes - Miss Maria Ward's temperament... Rachel G (10/16/2007 9:11 a.m.)
- Perhaps captivation has no logic? nfm ;D Robbin (10/16/2007 8:25 a.m.)
I think we can already answer half of that Crystal (10/15/2007 10:13 p.m.)
- Beauty Heather RC (10/16/2007 5:10 p.m.)

What was Mrs. Norris' real objective? Lila (10/15/2007 8:39 p.m.)

That's exactly what I've been wondering Anne Lydia (10/15/2007 10:05 p.m.)
- I agree Deborah Y (10/15/2007 11:36 p.m.)
  - "Flattered and stroked at every turn"? Maisy (10/16/2007 8:13 a.m.)
    - Well. . . Deborah Y (10/16/2007 10:30 a.m.)
      - Maintaining her position   Maisy (10/16/2007 11:26 a.m.)
        
        Taking upon herself the powers of the lady of the house   Adrian (10/16/2007 2:28 p.m.)
        
        hmm....   Fannie (10/16/2007 12:55 p.m.)
        
        I was thinking the same thing. nfm   Lila (10/16/2007 10:12 p.m.)
        
        What a way...   Crystal (10/16/2007 2:40 p.m.)
        
        Except..   Fannie (10/16/2007 4:33 p.m.)
        
        Sorry   Crystal (10/16/2007 4:50 p.m.)

LOL lines (Ch 1) Maisy (10/15/2007 5:38 p.m.)

.... that warm hearted Mrs Norris ;-) Mandy N (10/15/2007 11:57 p.m.)
I have some, if not LOL then smile lines :-) Reeba (10/15/2007 5:51 p.m.)
- oops sorry. That should read 'Lady Bertram'. nfm Reeba (10/16/2007 5:03 a.m.)
This one made me laugh... Robbin (10/15/2007 5:50 p.m.)
- Doesn't it seem... Candace (10/15/2007 5:59 p.m.)
  - LoL! Robbin (10/15/2007 6:52 p.m.)
    - I second that LOL! Perfect! {nfm} Joan Ellen (10/16/2007 10:29 a.m.)
- I love this line ;-D nfm Reeba (10/15/2007 5:52 p.m.)

Beginning at the beginning... Candace (10/15/2007 5:16 p.m.)

Calendars Maisy (10/15/2007 5:26 p.m.)
- But doesn't the gist of the story really begin when Fanny is 18? Lila (10/15/2007 8:49 p.m.)
  - A resource Maisy (10/16/2007 7:42 a.m.)
    - Oh.. Sorry, I misunderstood. nfm Lila (10/16/2007 10:16 p.m.)

The misses Wards' dowry JeannetteF (10/15/2007 3:55 p.m.)

A tiny bit of information LaurieC (10/15/2007 4:16 p.m.)
- She will be here:-) JulieW (10/15/2007 5:11 p.m.)
  - After having breakfasted..... JulieW (10/16/2007 7:38 a.m.)
    - Thank you, it 's very helpful JeannetteF (10/16/2007 9:52 a.m.)
    - Excellent! Thank you, Julie! *nfm* LaurieC (10/16/2007 9:22 a.m.)

Just a few questions re Mrs. Norris Peggy (10/15/2007 1:38 p.m.)

Thanks everyone! Peggy (10/15/2007 9:38 p.m.)
She could have been the Bertran children nanny Graciela (10/15/2007 4:30 p.m.)
Welcome to the GR - and some answers LaurieC (10/15/2007 3:05 p.m.)
A reflection on Mrs Norris Tracy W (10/15/2007 2:55 p.m.)
Nanny's cousin Katrina (10/15/2007 2:04 p.m.)
- That's how I interpret it too Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 3:45 p.m.)

Northamptonshire- setting the scene. JulieW (10/15/2007 1:07 p.m.)

Thanks Julie JeannetteF (10/15/2007 4:26 p.m.)
- Fannys route. JulieW (10/16/2007 9:54 a.m.)
  - So ... Patricia M (10/18/2007 2:37 p.m.)
    - Well, mail coaches JulieW (10/18/2007 3:38 p.m.)
      - Thanks Julie Patricia M (10/18/2007 4:58 p.m.)
        
        The horses can see... Elbè (10/19/2007 7:13 a.m.)
  - Itineraries & maps Rachel G (10/16/2007 1:08 p.m.)
  - Wow, Julie, you're amazing JeannetteF (10/16/2007 11:16 a.m.)
    - I dont think there is much of this JulieW (10/16/2007 11:52 a.m.)
- Mrs. Norris anticipates Maisy (10/15/2007 5:41 p.m.)
  - Yes, you're right but JeannetteF (10/15/2007 6:04 p.m.)
    - Oh, right! -nfm :-D Maisy (10/15/2007 6:22 p.m.)

Ch. 1 - the letters LaurieC (10/15/2007 12:52 p.m.)

This should be interesting--thanks! ;D nfm Robbin (10/15/2007 5:54 p.m.)

Fanny's character vs. Mrs. Norris's Adrian (10/15/2007 12:52 p.m.)

There would have to be some... Moni (10/17/2007 10:35 a.m.)
I think that you are on to something here . . . Bea (10/16/2007 12:32 a.m.)
- Actually, Mrs. Norris (at least after Mr. N's death)... Adrian (10/16/2007 2:45 p.m.)
  - I assumed that Mrs. Norris got to live in the White House Bea (10/17/2007 1:01 p.m.)

Marines Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 12:20 p.m.)

A source on marines Maisy (10/15/2007 2:52 p.m.)
- Thank you Maisy. That... Reeba (10/16/2007 6:11 a.m.)
- Thanks, that explains it! Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 3:35 p.m.)
- Very interesting Maisy. Thanks -nfm_ Katrina (10/15/2007 3:16 p.m.)
And a little more on the Marines Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 12:34 p.m.)

Captain and Mrs Norris( rather long) JulieW (10/15/2007 11:42 a.m.)

Fanny’s situation (chapters 1 & 2) Robbin (10/16/2007 10:42 p.m.)
- There are many JulieW (10/17/2007 4:51 a.m.)
  - Sure… Robbin (10/17/2007 11:53 a.m.)
    - :-) JulieW (10/17/2007 11:59 a.m.)
- Why? Elbè (10/17/2007 2:50 a.m.)
  - I think thats right Elbe JulieW (10/17/2007 4:46 a.m.)
Is this too far-fetched? Joan Ellen (10/16/2007 10:21 a.m.)
- Probably not Joan JulieW (10/17/2007 5:26 a.m.)
  - Interesting. Thanks, Julie! {nfm} Joan Ellen (10/17/2007 11:25 a.m.)
Weasel words… Robbin (10/15/2007 9:23 p.m.)
Wow Maisy (10/15/2007 2:20 p.m.)
And here is the illustration JulieW (10/15/2007 12:30 p.m.)
- '....Sir Thomas to attend his duty in parliament.' Mandy N (10/16/2007 7:01 a.m.)
  - Sir Thomas does have... Moni (10/18/2007 9:23 a.m.)
  - Good question. Reeba (10/16/2007 2:52 p.m.)
- How interesting! Elbè (10/15/2007 1:14 p.m.)

My focus..... JulieW (10/15/2007 11:40 a.m.)

Awesome... Robbin (10/15/2007 8:45 p.m.)
You never cease to amaze me!! Jean B (10/15/2007 5:12 p.m.)
- Or me! Rebecca K (10/15/2007 10:23 p.m.)
  - Or me, there is always... Moni (10/16/2007 10:01 a.m.)
Looking forward to further posts on the subject! -nfm Maisy (10/15/2007 1:25 p.m.)

Cousins Jean B (10/15/2007 11:17 a.m.)

Cousins in love... Elbè (10/15/2007 12:39 p.m.)
- I think so Maisy (10/15/2007 4:22 p.m.)
Ch. 1 - Sir Thomas' concerns LaurieC (10/15/2007 11:54 a.m.)

Mrs Norris's source of information about the Prices Tracy W (10/15/2007 11:11 a.m.)

Perhaps it was... Reeba (10/15/2007 4:29 p.m.)
- Thats a good idea... Robbin (10/15/2007 5:09 p.m.)
- I like this :-) -nfm Maisy (10/15/2007 4:46 p.m.)
Well, this is a quiz… Robbin (10/15/2007 3:44 p.m.)

Sir Thomas: Acts of kindness & generosity (Chapter 1) Robbin (10/15/2007 10:40 a.m.)

The Pride of Sir Thomas Pamela Jane (10/15/2007 11:39 p.m.)
- Mrs Norris doing the reflecting? Elbè (10/16/2007 3:53 a.m.)
  - Sir Thomas’ pride and sisters torn asunder Robbin (10/16/2007 11:26 p.m.)
    - All these actions revolving around the elder sisters... Adrian (10/17/2007 2:17 p.m.)
    - I agree... Elbè (10/17/2007 2:43 a.m.)
    - I agree with this Crystal (10/16/2007 11:53 p.m.)
True, he even deliberated a bit.... Lila (10/15/2007 9:04 p.m.)
Sir Thomas' character... Reeba (10/15/2007 5:19 p.m.)
- interest Tifah (10/16/2007 2:46 p.m.)
- Mr. Price's profession Ann BD (10/15/2007 7:18 p.m.)
I am conflicted Jean B (10/15/2007 11:03 a.m.)
- Given that it was Mrs Norris's idea Tracy W (10/15/2007 12:15 p.m.)
  - Ch. 1 - Mrs. Norris, a woman of few words, LOL LaurieC (10/15/2007 3:51 p.m.)
    - LOL---absolutely Anne Lydia (10/15/2007 5:32 p.m.)
  - I always thought Katrina (10/15/2007 12:56 p.m.)
    - Sir Thomas Fannie (10/16/2007 12:26 p.m.)

Ch. 1 - introducing the Ward sisters LaurieC (10/15/2007 10:39 a.m.)

Am I the only one Deborah Y (10/15/2007 11:31 p.m.)
- Also, Fanny is a bit like Cinderella... Heather RC (10/16/2007 6:46 p.m.)
  - You've touched on my issues Jean B (10/17/2007 3:11 p.m.)
  - Biblical, too Deborah Y (10/16/2007 9:23 p.m.)
- Nice assessment Maisy (10/16/2007 8:47 a.m.)
The Trouble Maker (Chapter 1) Robbin (10/15/2007 11:02 a.m.)
- Mrs. N is one of my interests this time Jean B (10/15/2007 11:07 a.m.)
  - The Whitewasher Robbin (10/17/2007 1:13 a.m.)
    - What does "mite" mean, anyway? JoAnn (10/20/2007 1:04 a.m.)
      - Yes, I read it as power…   Robbin (10/20/2007 3:30 a.m.)
        
        Or widow's mite??   Rachel G (10/20/2007 4:27 a.m.)
        
        I aslo thought it ws a reference to the widow's mite,   nan duval (10/21/2007 8:14 p.m.)
        
        "the most liberal–minded sister and aunt in the world"   Graciela (10/21/2007 9:22 p.m.)
        
        That was my take on the word's definition, too.   LaurieC (10/20/2007 11:04 a.m.)
        
        It's fascinating, that context;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/20/2007 11:19 a.m.)
        
        Does anyone know what context mite...   Moni (10/20/2007 8:43 a.m.)
        
        I think it is being used...   Reeba (10/20/2007 10:15 a.m.)
        
        Though if it's a reference to a widow's mite   JoAnn (10/20/2007 10:29 a.m.)
        
        Exactly!   Rachel G (10/20/2007 11:15 a.m.)
        
        Thanks, this is so interesting   Robbin (10/20/2007 1:14 p.m.)
        
        It certainly fits the general mood!;-) (nfm)   Moni (10/20/2007 11:21 a.m.)
  - Mrs. Norris Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 11:41 a.m.)
  - Whatever she wrote to Mrs Price Tracy W (10/15/2007 11:21 a.m.)
Interesting... Moni (10/15/2007 11:02 a.m.)
- Ch. 1 - The Ward sisters marry LaurieC (10/15/2007 11:22 a.m.)
  - The economic importance of marriage. Anne Lydia (10/15/2007 3:28 p.m.)
    - Classes (possible L&T question) Maisy (10/15/2007 3:53 p.m.)
      - Lower than the Norris's Anne Lydia (10/15/2007 4:56 p.m.)
        
        Thank you Maisy (10/15/2007 5:01 p.m.)
  - The Ward Sisters (Chapter 1) Long Robbin (10/15/2007 12:58 p.m.)
    - The sisters' fertility Connie (10/16/2007 3:27 p.m.)
      - A large family Robbin (10/17/2007 12:51 a.m.)
      - I could see Mrs. Norris being more envious of Mrs. Price... Adrian (10/16/2007 6:23 p.m.)
      - Mrs. Norris' children Crystal (10/16/2007 4:55 p.m.)
  - Maraiges and relationships a theme of the book? Elbè (10/15/2007 12:27 p.m.)
  - Oh, good spotting Tracy W (10/15/2007 12:05 p.m.)

What is it? (Chapter 1) Robbin (10/15/2007 10:27 a.m.)

Time saving measure JulieW (10/16/2007 5:03 a.m.)
- LoL! nfm ;D Robbin (10/16/2007 6:08 a.m.)
I'm not sure, but weren't... Reeba (10/15/2007 4:53 p.m.)
- Well, Robbin (10/15/2007 8:26 p.m.)
  - You have misunderstood Reeba (10/16/2007 4:55 a.m.)
    - Your welcome! nfm :D Robbin (10/16/2007 6:10 a.m.)
No name Maisy (10/15/2007 11:53 a.m.)
- There must be a name, though not given? L+T question, perhaps? Ree (10/15/2007 1:50 p.m.)

Some fun stuff :-) LaurieC (10/15/2007 10:26 a.m.)

MP Group Read Guidelines LaurieC (10/15/2007 10:02 a.m.)

Is it OK on the Group Read board Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 11:46 a.m.)
- Austenuations-type comments LaurieC (10/15/2007 12:03 p.m.)
  - Perfect sense Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 12:25 p.m.)
Thanks LaurieC… Robbin (10/15/2007 10:22 a.m.)
- Agree, sounds like a good plan ;-) (nfm) Moni (10/15/2007 10:54 a.m.)

Welcome to the Group Read! LaurieC (10/15/2007 9:41 a.m.)

*sneaks in late * much to astonish and amaze already. Thanks. Tarn (10/18/2007 4:16 a.m.)
Thank you for moderating! nan duval (10/15/2007 7:56 p.m.)
Thanks (nfm) BarbaraB (10/15/2007 6:48 p.m.)
Thank you Laurie :-) nfm Reeba (10/15/2007 4:15 p.m.)
May I join in the conversation? Tuija (10/15/2007 3:32 p.m.)
- Absolutely! Welcome! :-) *nfm* LaurieC (10/15/2007 3:55 p.m.)
  - Hello and thanks, Mandy N (10/15/2007 11:29 p.m.)
Thanks, Laurie! {nfm} Joan Ellen (10/15/2007 11:47 a.m.)
Thank you Laurie Katrina (10/15/2007 11:44 a.m.)
Thanks Laurie! JulieW (10/15/2007 11:38 a.m.)
Looking forward to a great GR Tracy W (10/15/2007 11:08 a.m.)
Thanks, LaurieC, should be great!;-) (nfm) Moni (10/15/2007 10:51 a.m.)
Hello! Robbin (10/15/2007 10:17 a.m.)
- I'm not the only one! BrittanyW (10/15/2007 10:39 a.m.)
  - Hi, Brittany -- are you new to Pemberley? Laurel (10/15/2007 12:20 p.m.)

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