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More reversals Written by Tom P2 (10/10/2010 9:46 p.m.) in consequence of the missive, Sir Thomas goes to the East Room (ch 32), penned by BarbaraB

I'm going to burble some more about characters going to extremes and back again, though this time the comedy's pretty much drained out of it by Sir Thomas's making such a brute of himself.

In the space of three or four paragraphs, Fanny goes from miserable for ever to being left in a glow of gratitude. It's quite an effective defence mechanism: when the world gets to be too much, redefine your world to be something narrower! Find solace by immersing yourself in predictions of how Mrs Norris will treat you. Thank goodness for Mrs Norris... oh, wait, how did I end up there? But seriously, it isn't always Mrs Norris. Sometimes it's the night sky. When I look out on such a night as this, I feel as if there could be neither wickedness nor sorrow in the world (ch11).

As for Sir Thomas... He knew her to be very timid, and exceedingly nervous -- and I assume he already knew before arriving in the East room. How does he use this knowledge? Browbeating. Oh, that wasn't a resounding success. Well then, how about a little time, a little pressing, a little patience, and a little impatience, a judicious mixture of all on the lover’s side? He seems to be making up his strategy as he goes along, perhaps supported by his high opinion of his own perceptiveness, but on the whole he's floundering around quite cluelessly.

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Sir Thomas goes to the East Room (ch 32) BarbaraB (10/5/2010 1:01 a.m.)

Ch 32, to me, is one of Miss Austen's smaller masterpieces jeffrey (10/5/2010 9:44 a.m.)
- Well said Jeffrey. Barb JA (10/5/2010 10:29 a.m.)
  - Mediocrity of condition Ramya (10/5/2010 11:37 a.m.)
    - Yes, agree with the exception of one point: jeffrey (10/5/2010 12:59 p.m.)
      - What about Henry's part in all this   Angela L (10/6/2010 5:30 a.m.)
        
        What did Henry say?   Barb JA (10/6/2010 8:29 a.m.)
        
        Proper modesty & reticence.   Rachel G (10/6/2010 1:08 p.m.)
        
        She practically ran away screaming   Robbin (10/8/2010 12:08 p.m.)
      - Not unsubstantiated   Ramya (10/7/2010 10:52 a.m.)
        
        Advantages of Portsmouth   Robbin (10/8/2010 1:17 a.m.)
        
        William Fanny etc   Bridget D (10/9/2010 5:25 a.m.)
        
        Also   Erica (10/9/2010 11:42 a.m.)
        
        Fanny   Bridget D (10/9/2010 4:36 p.m.)
        
        Mansfield Park may be the lesser of two evils   Ramya (10/9/2010 4:54 p.m.)
        
        Portsmouth   Bridget D (10/9/2010 5:30 p.m.)
        
        We know for a fact that her life at MP   Ramya (10/9/2010 6:26 p.m.)
        
        Portsmouth and Mansfield   Bridget D (10/10/2010 6:12 a.m.)
        
        Very true   Erica (10/10/2010 2:55 p.m.)
        
        Dowry   Erica (10/10/2010 1:03 a.m.)
        
        Fanny dined at the Parsonage   Robbin (10/10/2010 1:46 a.m.)
        
        Fanny coming out   Bridget D (10/10/2010 2:51 a.m.)
        
        Bertram's finances   Erica (10/10/2010 2:53 p.m.)
        
        Advocating for Fanny   Robbin (10/10/2010 11:14 p.m.)
        
        Fanny nad balls   Bridget D (10/11/2010 3:03 a.m.)
        
        Not surprising   Barb JA (10/10/2010 11:36 a.m.)
        
        Fanny out   Bridget D (10/10/2010 1:59 p.m.)
    - Empathy & Intentions Robbin (10/5/2010 6:39 p.m.)
      - Execution was horrible   Barb JA (10/7/2010 7:21 a.m.)
        
        I agree: absence of a dowry   Ramya (10/7/2010 10:37 a.m.)
        
        Fanny a slave   Bridget D (10/7/2010 1:53 p.m.)
  - romantic delicacy was certainly not to be expected from him Stephanie (10/5/2010 1:35 p.m.)
    - Delicate Health? Jane Marie (10/5/2010 4:18 p.m.)
    - Fanny's secrets Barb JA (10/6/2010 7:00 a.m.)
      - Inner strength. Rachel G (10/6/2010 8:16 a.m.)
        
        Exactly so, Rachel G! (nfm) Cathy Allen (10/6/2010 4:03 p.m.)
    - Fanny's reticence Erica (10/6/2010 10:56 p.m.)
  - Observation & Misconceptions Robbin (10/5/2010 9:01 p.m.)
- Sir Thomas' tirade - a less charitable view. Rachel G (10/5/2010 11:56 a.m.)
  - At this point in the story, I definitely agree with you... jeffrey (10/5/2010 1:26 p.m.)
    - Partnership? Yeah, Way to go! ;-D nfm Rachel G (10/5/2010 5:08 p.m.)
      - Don't know how to take this so.... jeffrey (10/6/2010 12:08 a.m.)
        
        I'd like.... Rachel G (10/7/2010 3:22 a.m.)
  - Thank you Rachel G Mia I. (10/5/2010 5:40 p.m.)
    - Thank God, this is not the end of the story! (NFM) jeffrey (10/5/2010 11:52 p.m.)
  - Fanny’s Right to say No & Independent Thought Robbin (10/5/2010 6:54 p.m.)
  - Right to refuse Barb JA (10/6/2010 7:19 a.m.)
  - Sir Thomas needs a SUTH Erica (10/6/2010 10:01 p.m.)
  - Sir Thomas Bridget D (10/7/2010 2:57 p.m.)
Respect & Betrayal Robbin (10/5/2010 7:15 p.m.)
IMHO, It is the methods used not the end desired . . . KatharineW (10/5/2010 9:16 p.m.)
Henry's timing Louise H (10/6/2010 11:20 a.m.)
- Emotional blackmail. Rachel G (10/6/2010 1:18 p.m.)
  - succinctly well put-doing right things with wrong motives(NFM) jeffrey (10/7/2010 1:08 p.m.)
More reversals Tom P2 (10/10/2010 9:46 p.m.)
- Well put! nfm Rachel G (10/11/2010 3:54 a.m.)
- Reversals and turning the other cheek Barb JA (10/12/2010 10:29 a.m.)
  - Misery, gratitude, and night sky Tom P2 (10/12/2010 5:19 p.m.)
    - Sorry, I sure misunderstood... Barb JA (10/13/2010 7:29 a.m.)
      - No problem. It's a familiar hazard of attempted succinctness. nfm Tom P2 (10/13/2010 7:07 p.m.)

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