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Fanny out Written by Bridget D (10/10/2010 1:59 p.m.) in consequence of the missive, Not surprising, penned by Barb JA

However, none of the cousins, even Edmund, were attentive enough to seeing that she was included in the social goings-on.

Doesn't that speak volumes? and possibly some of Edmund's irritation with the question as to whether F was out or not was due to a guilty knowledge that she really SHOULD be out...

Even if Sir T didn't give her a formal coming out, she could have been included, in a quiet way, with some of the visits to othter houses, but with Lady B going nowhere and Mrs Norris not wanting to treat F as an equal, I dont think it would have happened...
I dont know if the "unreformed" Sir T would have necessarily brought her out, if he'd come back from Antigua and not had the "change of heart"...
If the Bertrams had money problems still, in particular, I could see him being easily persuaded that Fanny was needed at home to look after Lady B... listening to Mrs Norris saying that there was no need to think of a coming out for a girl like Fanny nad that they still had dear Julia to marry off.

adn I think it might have been a consideration that if he brought her out he would probably need ot provide her iwth some kind of dowry, which would eat into his money..

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Sir Thomas goes to the East Room (ch 32) BarbaraB (10/5/2010 1:01 a.m.)

Ch 32, to me, is one of Miss Austen's smaller masterpieces jeffrey (10/5/2010 9:44 a.m.)
- Well said Jeffrey. Barb JA (10/5/2010 10:29 a.m.)
  - Mediocrity of condition Ramya (10/5/2010 11:37 a.m.)
    - Yes, agree with the exception of one point: jeffrey (10/5/2010 12:59 p.m.)
      - What about Henry's part in all this   Angela L (10/6/2010 5:30 a.m.)
        
        What did Henry say?   Barb JA (10/6/2010 8:29 a.m.)
        
        Proper modesty & reticence.   Rachel G (10/6/2010 1:08 p.m.)
        
        She practically ran away screaming   Robbin (10/8/2010 12:08 p.m.)
      - Not unsubstantiated   Ramya (10/7/2010 10:52 a.m.)
        
        Advantages of Portsmouth   Robbin (10/8/2010 1:17 a.m.)
        
        William Fanny etc   Bridget D (10/9/2010 5:25 a.m.)
        
        Also   Erica (10/9/2010 11:42 a.m.)
        
        Fanny   Bridget D (10/9/2010 4:36 p.m.)
        
        Mansfield Park may be the lesser of two evils   Ramya (10/9/2010 4:54 p.m.)
        
        Portsmouth   Bridget D (10/9/2010 5:30 p.m.)
        
        We know for a fact that her life at MP   Ramya (10/9/2010 6:26 p.m.)
        
        Portsmouth and Mansfield   Bridget D (10/10/2010 6:12 a.m.)
        
        Very true   Erica (10/10/2010 2:55 p.m.)
        
        Dowry   Erica (10/10/2010 1:03 a.m.)
        
        Fanny dined at the Parsonage   Robbin (10/10/2010 1:46 a.m.)
        
        Fanny coming out   Bridget D (10/10/2010 2:51 a.m.)
        
        Bertram's finances   Erica (10/10/2010 2:53 p.m.)
        
        Advocating for Fanny   Robbin (10/10/2010 11:14 p.m.)
        
        Fanny nad balls   Bridget D (10/11/2010 3:03 a.m.)
        
        Not surprising   Barb JA (10/10/2010 11:36 a.m.)
        
        Fanny out   Bridget D (10/10/2010 1:59 p.m.)
    - Empathy & Intentions Robbin (10/5/2010 6:39 p.m.)
      - Execution was horrible   Barb JA (10/7/2010 7:21 a.m.)
        
        I agree: absence of a dowry   Ramya (10/7/2010 10:37 a.m.)
        
        Fanny a slave   Bridget D (10/7/2010 1:53 p.m.)
  - romantic delicacy was certainly not to be expected from him Stephanie (10/5/2010 1:35 p.m.)
    - Delicate Health? Jane Marie (10/5/2010 4:18 p.m.)
    - Fanny's secrets Barb JA (10/6/2010 7:00 a.m.)
      - Inner strength. Rachel G (10/6/2010 8:16 a.m.)
        
        Exactly so, Rachel G! (nfm) Cathy Allen (10/6/2010 4:03 p.m.)
    - Fanny's reticence Erica (10/6/2010 10:56 p.m.)
  - Observation & Misconceptions Robbin (10/5/2010 9:01 p.m.)
- Sir Thomas' tirade - a less charitable view. Rachel G (10/5/2010 11:56 a.m.)
  - At this point in the story, I definitely agree with you... jeffrey (10/5/2010 1:26 p.m.)
    - Partnership? Yeah, Way to go! ;-D nfm Rachel G (10/5/2010 5:08 p.m.)
      - Don't know how to take this so.... jeffrey (10/6/2010 12:08 a.m.)
        
        I'd like.... Rachel G (10/7/2010 3:22 a.m.)
  - Thank you Rachel G Mia I. (10/5/2010 5:40 p.m.)
    - Thank God, this is not the end of the story! (NFM) jeffrey (10/5/2010 11:52 p.m.)
  - Fanny’s Right to say No & Independent Thought Robbin (10/5/2010 6:54 p.m.)
  - Right to refuse Barb JA (10/6/2010 7:19 a.m.)
  - Sir Thomas needs a SUTH Erica (10/6/2010 10:01 p.m.)
  - Sir Thomas Bridget D (10/7/2010 2:57 p.m.)
Respect & Betrayal Robbin (10/5/2010 7:15 p.m.)
IMHO, It is the methods used not the end desired . . . KatharineW (10/5/2010 9:16 p.m.)
Henry's timing Louise H (10/6/2010 11:20 a.m.)
- Emotional blackmail. Rachel G (10/6/2010 1:18 p.m.)
  - succinctly well put-doing right things with wrong motives(NFM) jeffrey (10/7/2010 1:08 p.m.)
More reversals Tom P2 (10/10/2010 9:46 p.m.)
- Well put! nfm Rachel G (10/11/2010 3:54 a.m.)
- Reversals and turning the other cheek Barb JA (10/12/2010 10:29 a.m.)
  - Misery, gratitude, and night sky Tom P2 (10/12/2010 5:19 p.m.)
    - Sorry, I sure misunderstood... Barb JA (10/13/2010 7:29 a.m.)
      - No problem. It's a familiar hazard of attempted succinctness. nfm Tom P2 (10/13/2010 7:07 p.m.)

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