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Sir Thomas Written by Bridget D (10/7/2010 2:57 p.m.) in consequence of the missive, Sir Thomas' tirade - a less charitable view., penned by Rachel G

I dont find myself getting all that annoyed iwht Sir T over this becuase I think that I just think "this is what I expect of him".

He HAS a good side, a good heart which led him, when thinking of taking Fanny on, to try his best to wrok out the best way of improving her life, by so doing..
BUT he also is a worldly man.. and he lets his good intentions towards her fade a bit when he has some financial problems..
and from his worldy POV she's a penniless girl, he's takn her in, and has a right to her obedience.. and if she's lucky enough to win a rich husband, she has no right to turn such a good chance of security down. and as her foster father he has the right to all but compel her to accpept Henry C.

Sir T's good intentions are real but they dont stop him from being unkind ot her at times and I think that his "moral" side leads him to be stern but usually in a cold not loud voiced way with her and with his own children....
So honestly Im not surprised that he's feared rather than loved by most of his children and that they are eager to get away from him...

and I think that his worldly side (Fanny SHOULD accept this rich man if he's not positively wicked or horribly repulsive) and his severely moral side combine here to say that not only shoudl she be willing to accept H becuase he's rich but she shoudl also do so because HE Sir Thomas wishes it, and for a young woman to set herself up to have an opinion of her own is wrong....

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Sir Thomas goes to the East Room (ch 32) BarbaraB (10/5/2010 1:01 a.m.)

Ch 32, to me, is one of Miss Austen's smaller masterpieces jeffrey (10/5/2010 9:44 a.m.)
- Well said Jeffrey. Barb JA (10/5/2010 10:29 a.m.)
  - Mediocrity of condition Ramya (10/5/2010 11:37 a.m.)
    - Yes, agree with the exception of one point: jeffrey (10/5/2010 12:59 p.m.)
      - What about Henry's part in all this   Angela L (10/6/2010 5:30 a.m.)
        
        What did Henry say?   Barb JA (10/6/2010 8:29 a.m.)
        
        Proper modesty & reticence.   Rachel G (10/6/2010 1:08 p.m.)
        
        She practically ran away screaming   Robbin (10/8/2010 12:08 p.m.)
      - Not unsubstantiated   Ramya (10/7/2010 10:52 a.m.)
        
        Advantages of Portsmouth   Robbin (10/8/2010 1:17 a.m.)
        
        William Fanny etc   Bridget D (10/9/2010 5:25 a.m.)
        
        Also   Erica (10/9/2010 11:42 a.m.)
        
        Fanny   Bridget D (10/9/2010 4:36 p.m.)
        
        Mansfield Park may be the lesser of two evils   Ramya (10/9/2010 4:54 p.m.)
        
        Portsmouth   Bridget D (10/9/2010 5:30 p.m.)
        
        We know for a fact that her life at MP   Ramya (10/9/2010 6:26 p.m.)
        
        Portsmouth and Mansfield   Bridget D (10/10/2010 6:12 a.m.)
        
        Very true   Erica (10/10/2010 2:55 p.m.)
        
        Dowry   Erica (10/10/2010 1:03 a.m.)
        
        Fanny dined at the Parsonage   Robbin (10/10/2010 1:46 a.m.)
        
        Fanny coming out   Bridget D (10/10/2010 2:51 a.m.)
        
        Bertram's finances   Erica (10/10/2010 2:53 p.m.)
        
        Advocating for Fanny   Robbin (10/10/2010 11:14 p.m.)
        
        Fanny nad balls   Bridget D (10/11/2010 3:03 a.m.)
        
        Not surprising   Barb JA (10/10/2010 11:36 a.m.)
        
        Fanny out   Bridget D (10/10/2010 1:59 p.m.)
    - Empathy & Intentions Robbin (10/5/2010 6:39 p.m.)
      - Execution was horrible   Barb JA (10/7/2010 7:21 a.m.)
        
        I agree: absence of a dowry   Ramya (10/7/2010 10:37 a.m.)
        
        Fanny a slave   Bridget D (10/7/2010 1:53 p.m.)
  - romantic delicacy was certainly not to be expected from him Stephanie (10/5/2010 1:35 p.m.)
    - Delicate Health? Jane Marie (10/5/2010 4:18 p.m.)
    - Fanny's secrets Barb JA (10/6/2010 7:00 a.m.)
      - Inner strength. Rachel G (10/6/2010 8:16 a.m.)
        
        Exactly so, Rachel G! (nfm) Cathy Allen (10/6/2010 4:03 p.m.)
    - Fanny's reticence Erica (10/6/2010 10:56 p.m.)
  - Observation & Misconceptions Robbin (10/5/2010 9:01 p.m.)
- Sir Thomas' tirade - a less charitable view. Rachel G (10/5/2010 11:56 a.m.)
  - At this point in the story, I definitely agree with you... jeffrey (10/5/2010 1:26 p.m.)
    - Partnership? Yeah, Way to go! ;-D nfm Rachel G (10/5/2010 5:08 p.m.)
      - Don't know how to take this so.... jeffrey (10/6/2010 12:08 a.m.)
        
        I'd like.... Rachel G (10/7/2010 3:22 a.m.)
  - Thank you Rachel G Mia I. (10/5/2010 5:40 p.m.)
    - Thank God, this is not the end of the story! (NFM) jeffrey (10/5/2010 11:52 p.m.)
  - Fanny’s Right to say No & Independent Thought Robbin (10/5/2010 6:54 p.m.)
  - Right to refuse Barb JA (10/6/2010 7:19 a.m.)
  - Sir Thomas needs a SUTH Erica (10/6/2010 10:01 p.m.)
  - Sir Thomas Bridget D (10/7/2010 2:57 p.m.)
Respect & Betrayal Robbin (10/5/2010 7:15 p.m.)
IMHO, It is the methods used not the end desired . . . KatharineW (10/5/2010 9:16 p.m.)
Henry's timing Louise H (10/6/2010 11:20 a.m.)
- Emotional blackmail. Rachel G (10/6/2010 1:18 p.m.)
  - succinctly well put-doing right things with wrong motives(NFM) jeffrey (10/7/2010 1:08 p.m.)
More reversals Tom P2 (10/10/2010 9:46 p.m.)
- Well put! nfm Rachel G (10/11/2010 3:54 a.m.)
- Reversals and turning the other cheek Barb JA (10/12/2010 10:29 a.m.)
  - Misery, gratitude, and night sky Tom P2 (10/12/2010 5:19 p.m.)
    - Sorry, I sure misunderstood... Barb JA (10/13/2010 7:29 a.m.)
      - No problem. It's a familiar hazard of attempted succinctness. nfm Tom P2 (10/13/2010 7:07 p.m.)

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