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Harriet and Mr K Written by Bridget D (3/16/2011 8:20 a.m.) in consequence of the missive, When had his influence, such influence begun?, penned by Stephanie

Mr. Knightley's anger at Harriet refusing Robert Martin is stated in contemptuous terms, it seems to me. That disparagement might be an immediate response to his own mortification at encouraging a scheme that ends in a man's heartbreak, but it is not at first a calm assessment

I agree that Mr K's outburst of "a degradation to illegitimacy and ignorance" is a bit unkind...Even if soem of it is fuelled by anger at Emma.
Harreit cna't help not being clever or being illegitimate.. and I think that you are right in that both Mr K and Emma while largely holding to the class system as it stood, favoured their "own" protegees and each thought that "their" friend was worthy of rising in the world. That IMO is a natural way of thinking.
I dont think that until he danced iwht H at the ball Mr K thought very highly of her. He would be polite to her but saw her as a silly little thing who was bad for Emma.
But his natural chivalry made him go to help her and then he got to know her a bit better and then he realised that while he woudl still problaby dislike the idea of her trying ot marry a gentleman, he coudl see that in her character she was far better and more likable than Mrs Elton...

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My favorite part of the novel Glenn (3/6/2011 1:54 p.m.)

Emma's Control and Charity to a Rival Jane Marie (3/8/2011 12:43 p.m.)
This is a good point. Lynn (3/7/2011 4:49 p.m.)
Alas, Emma found she had created a monster Robbin (3/6/2011 10:28 p.m.)
- Et tu, Knightley? Reeba (3/7/2011 8:41 a.m.)
  - I never meant.. Reeba (3/9/2011 10:21 a.m.)
    - I agree Ramya (3/9/2011 11:35 a.m.)
      - Jane's apples   Bridget D (3/13/2011 9:07 a.m.)
        
        The end of Chapter 27   andrea gayle (3/13/2011 12:20 p.m.)
        
        Janes apples   Bridget D (3/14/2011 12:46 p.m.)
  - Unguarded Robbin (3/8/2011 11:49 a.m.)
    - possible eligibility in matches Nikki N (3/9/2011 1:40 a.m.)
    - Harriet & Robert Martin Frances G (3/8/2011 11:52 p.m.)
      - A very warm friend to Mr. Martin Robbin (3/10/2011 1:07 p.m.)
      - lol! Ra (3/10/2011 11:00 a.m.)
    - Completely Agree BarbaraB (3/8/2011 11:36 p.m.)
    - Excellent points. Is it possible Kathleen Glancy (3/8/2011 5:18 p.m.)
      - Knightly Mr. Knightley Robbin (3/9/2011 5:16 p.m.)
      - Augusta Elton BarbaraB (3/8/2011 11:21 p.m.)
  - Maybe a case of Incongruency with Mr. Knightley? jeffrey (3/7/2011 10:38 a.m.)
- True enough, but . . . Mary Anne (3/7/2011 8:15 a.m.)
  - No Robbin (3/7/2011 9:40 a.m.)
    - No, I agree with you Ra (3/7/2011 4:39 p.m.)
      - Your Censure may be Praise   Robbin (3/8/2011 5:57 p.m.)
        
        Mr Knightlye's words   Nikki N (3/10/2011 10:43 p.m.)
        
        Speaking in Anger   Robbin (3/13/2011 4:05 p.m.)
        
        without solicitation, or plea, or privilege   Stephanie (3/9/2011 2:57 p.m.)
        
        The Truth Hurts   Robbin (3/10/2011 11:55 a.m.)
        
        to be sure it did not do [them] justice   Stephanie (3/10/2011 4:20 p.m.)
        
        Rendering Justice   Robbin (3/13/2011 3:54 p.m.)
        
        When had his influence, such influence begun?   Stephanie (3/15/2011 3:31 p.m.)
        
        Similar Attitudes   Robbin (3/20/2011 3:31 a.m.)
        
        Knightley's Anger & Contempt   Robbin (3/17/2011 11:34 p.m.)
        
        Mr. Knightley, I shall not allow you to be a fair judge   Stephanie (3/19/2011 6:38 p.m.)
        
        Is there another Harriet besides Miss Smith?   Robbin (3/20/2011 2:17 a.m.)
        
        I agree nfm   BarbaraB (3/18/2011 3:58 p.m.)
        
        Harriet and Mr K   Bridget D (3/16/2011 8:20 a.m.)
        
        your view of Mr. [Knightley] in his other dealings? Sorry! nfm   Stephanie (3/15/2011 6:09 p.m.)
        
        Snobbery, Mr. K, Emma, and Harriet   BarbaraB (3/13/2011 10:42 p.m.)
        
        Heeding Advice   Robbin (3/17/2011 11:18 p.m.)
        
        Rising in the world   Bridget D (3/14/2011 1:04 p.m.)
        
        Emma says that before the Ball   Ramya (3/10/2011 4:33 p.m.)
        
        Woman Scorned   Robbin (3/13/2011 4:01 p.m.)
        
        Mr. Knightley the snob?   Frances G (3/10/2011 10:18 p.m.)
        
        Knightley plus Snob does not Compute   Robbin (3/14/2011 2:32 a.m.)
        
        Also, this is only Emma's thought   Christopher (3/14/2011 12:45 p.m.)
        
        Good Point nfm   BarbaraB (3/14/2011 2:01 p.m.)
        
        Snobs   Bridget D (3/13/2011 8:18 a.m.)
        
        Bates & Knightley   Robbin (3/14/2011 12:58 p.m.)
        
        Friends   Bridget D (3/14/2011 2:05 p.m.)
        
        exactly   Ra (3/9/2011 4:43 p.m.)
        
        High & Mighty Attitude   Robbin (3/10/2011 12:26 p.m.)
        
        Harriet   Bridget D (3/10/2011 2:33 p.m.)
        
        Reality Check   Robbin (3/11/2011 1:45 p.m.)
        
        Harriet   Bridget D (3/12/2011 3:29 a.m.)
        
        Mr. Knightley is not so disingenuous   Robbin (3/14/2011 2:15 a.m.)
        
        As did Mr. Bennet ...   gianni (3/12/2011 11:43 a.m.)
        
        Bennet?   Bridget D (3/12/2011 4:41 p.m.)
        
        Pride & Prejudice, ch. 42:   gianni (3/12/2011 6:18 p.m.)
        
        Harriet and Mr K   Bridget D (3/13/2011 5:09 a.m.)
        
        Apparently I misundertood ...   gianni (3/13/2011 10:05 p.m.)
        
        marrying outside the sphere   Nikki N (3/13/2011 1:00 a.m.)
        
        acquaintance with the Martins of Abbey-Mill-Farm   Stephanie (3/15/2011 2:47 p.m.)
        
        the Coxes also a lawyer's family   Nikki N (3/16/2011 12:54 a.m.)
        
        When Emma reads Mr. Martin's letter   Graciela (3/15/2011 5:10 p.m.)
        
        believed [they were] very clever, and understood every thing   Stephanie (3/15/2011 6:20 p.m.)
        
        educated Martins   Nikki N (3/15/2011 10:39 p.m.)
        
        Martins   Bridget D (3/15/2011 3:22 p.m.)
        
        I shall always have a great regard for the Miss Martins   Stephanie (3/15/2011 6:07 p.m.)
        
        Miss martins   Bridget D (3/16/2011 8:14 a.m.)
        
        Rising above her class   Robbin (3/14/2011 2:27 a.m.)
        
        Mr Knightley   Bridget D (3/13/2011 4:58 a.m.)
        
        Same Page   BarbaraB (3/9/2011 12:38 a.m.)
        
        I agree   Robbin (3/14/2011 2:42 a.m.)
  - And learn some lessons too, with longer suffering ;-) nfm Reeba (3/7/2011 8:44 a.m.)
Over the hump; chickens come home to roost, but not for too long Tom P2 (3/6/2011 8:49 p.m.)
- Rambling thoughts on the "best of the best" (Longish) jeffrey (3/7/2011 10:14 a.m.)
  - My favourite part as well Nina RG (3/8/2011 9:53 a.m.)
    - Yes, you've uncovered one of the reasons it's my favorite... jeffrey (3/8/2011 10:44 a.m.)
  - Faultless inspite of all her faults. Reeba (3/8/2011 4:02 a.m.)
    - *sighs* Not for me! nfm Stephanie (3/9/2011 1:38 p.m.)
  - The unkissed hand Tom P2 (3/8/2011 3:51 a.m.)
    - Yes, that certainly makes perfect sense... jeffrey (3/8/2011 9:02 a.m.)
      - And he rode home through the rain! *sigh* nfm Ramya (3/8/2011 11:17 a.m.)
        
        Yes, that is a wonderful touch isn't it? :) nfm BarbaraB (3/8/2011 10:58 p.m.)

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