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Only a draper. Written by Reeba (2/3/2011 4:22 p.m.) in consequence of the missive, Harriet is a Pushover, penned by Robbin

At least you're ready to give a small share of blame to Harriet. I do lay greater share of blame on Emma.

IMO it's 60:40 as of now. :)

I think Harriet was already under the influence of this 'high/low' thing with all that gossip going on at Goddard's.

After refusing the proposal Harriet comments;
"I think Mrs. Goddard would be very much surprized if she knew what had happened. I am sure Miss Nash would -- for Miss Nash thinks her own sister very well married, and it is only a linen-draper."

Stepping stone - what I am picturing is Harriet using the opportunities provided readily by Emma to get into higher society.
So, yes, its not Emma, but the opportunities.

I don't agree with the Darcy/Bingley comparison.
JA isn't repeating herself. She has given us a character from a class which no other novel has, and the same with another character who is illegitimate.
In addition to the origin of the characters the background of the whole situation is also different. Emma and Harriet have just met a couple of months ago compared to a friendship of several years.
Bingley owes nothing and no loyalty to Jane whereas Harriet has been welcomed with open arms by the Martin family *and* has given signs of encouragement to Robert Martin, which Jane didn't.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree regarding Harriets loyalty towards the Martins. She's not with Emma 24 hours, and has enough time to think and not be pushed over.....and feel....if she wanted to.
Even Emma credited her with this when she invited Harriet to stay often at Hartfield after refusing the proposal.
Even Emma was deceived there, as Harriet didn't reflect earlier, nor was she going to do now.

More than Emma's it's Harriet's behaviour towards the Martins that I feel very bad about.

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Is Harriet Blameless? Jane Marie (2/1/2011 9:03 a.m.)

Harriet and Emma (Sorry, long) BarbaraB (2/2/2011 12:00 a.m.)
- Thank you Barbara for... Reeba (2/2/2011 8:34 a.m.)
  - she is sweet, docile and not clever or unduly intelligent Frances G (2/3/2011 12:01 a.m.)
    - IMO Mr Knightley is judging Harriet the.... Reeba (2/3/2011 5:03 a.m.)
      - Harriet is a Pushover   Robbin (2/3/2011 12:15 p.m.)
        
        That's exactly the way I see it (nfm)   Frances G (2/3/2011 10:00 p.m.)
        
        Only a draper.   Reeba (2/3/2011 4:22 p.m.)
        
        Harriet and the Martins   Bridget D (2/5/2011 3:32 a.m.)
        
        Emma and Lady Cat   Nikki N (2/5/2011 6:40 a.m.)
        
        Harriet, Blingley etc   Bridget D (2/5/2011 7:15 a.m.)
        
        Who's Harriet to say no??   Reeba (2/5/2011 3:53 a.m.)
        
        Harriet   Bridget D (2/5/2011 4:29 a.m.)
        
        I wouldn't minimize the importance...   Reeba (2/5/2011 5:11 a.m.)
        
        Harriet's talk   Bridget D (2/5/2011 6:27 a.m.)
        
        I agree to disagree....   Reeba (2/5/2011 7:26 a.m.)
        
        Under Emma’s spell   Robbin (2/4/2011 12:25 a.m.)
        
        Harriet as a plaything...   Patricia AA (2/4/2011 7:43 p.m.)
        
        Harriet   Bridget D (2/5/2011 2:15 a.m.)
        
        I would go further   Nikki N (2/4/2011 12:55 a.m.)
        
        Martins and Harriet   Bridget D (2/4/2011 4:24 p.m.)
        
        I agree -- a world of difference between Bingley &   AnnetteJ (2/4/2011 8:30 a.m.)
        
        I see it differently.   Reeba (2/4/2011 2:44 a.m.)
        
        Gratitude & Influence   Robbin (2/4/2011 8:11 p.m.)
        
        It depends on the way...   Reeba (2/5/2011 3:09 a.m.)
        
        PS:   Reeba (2/5/2011 3:14 a.m.)
        
        Time to stop   Myretta (2/5/2011 7:49 a.m.)
        
        Good points, I agree! (:D) nfm   Robbin (2/4/2011 1:02 a.m.)
  - You're Welcome:)--About age and and influence, etc. BarbaraB (2/2/2011 1:21 p.m.)
  - Harriet Sarah Yorkshire (2/2/2011 9:24 a.m.)
- Love your post! And I agree with you:) (nfm) Nina RG (2/2/2011 6:01 a.m.)
No, she isn't. :) Reeba (2/1/2011 12:04 p.m.)
- Just remembered another very important point. Reeba (2/1/2011 4:59 p.m.)
  - Harriet may not consider [any] body tiresome Stephanie (2/3/2011 5:18 p.m.)
  - Harriet's Character Jane Marie (2/1/2011 7:16 p.m.)
Were it not for Emma's misguided influence... jeffrey (2/1/2011 10:13 a.m.)
- I too think that Harriet would have Patricia AA (2/1/2011 10:32 a.m.)
I think Harriet is weak kathleen (elder) (2/1/2011 9:17 a.m.)
- Harriet is dazzled by the fact that Emma, the uncrowned AnnetteJ (2/1/2011 9:37 a.m.)
  - Emma's persistent wrong-headedness Sarah Yorkshire (2/1/2011 10:51 a.m.)
    - I don't get the feeling that... Reeba (2/1/2011 11:18 a.m.)
      - One and the same events... Patricia AA (2/1/2011 3:06 p.m.)
        
        I didn't say that :) Reeba (2/1/2011 4:33 p.m.)
      - To be good at something...   Rabab (2/1/2011 11:39 a.m.)
        
        I agree   Laraine (2/1/2011 3:01 p.m.)
        
        Emma the novel-ist!   Rabab (2/2/2011 6:59 a.m.)
    - This is what I cannot understand. Why would it have AnnetteJ (2/1/2011 11:02 a.m.)
      - Class Sarah Yorkshire (2/1/2011 11:22 a.m.)
      - The same reason as what...   Reeba (2/1/2011 11:12 a.m.)
        
        Something I've always wondered about this...   Erica M. (2/1/2011 5:30 p.m.)
        
        As an older friend of mine once remarked, "The good   AnnetteJ (2/1/2011 12:52 p.m.)
        
        I'm sure it still exists in some form nfm   Reeba (2/1/2011 1:00 p.m.)
        
        Let's stay on topic. Thanks. :-)   kathleen (elder) (2/1/2011 2:05 p.m.)

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