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gentry Written by Bridget D (2/1/2011 1:13 a.m.) in consequence of the missive, I cannot accept that, penned by Ramya

Most of the people at the Assembly were gentlefolk, and since D had no title, he had nothing to distingusih hm from them other than his greater wealth and connextions.

And there was considered to be a rough equality among all the gentry in status, whether they were richer or poorer ones. The people of Meryton were offended becuase Darcy was not treating them with the respect that they deserved as fellow gentlefolk... nad having come to their assembly he was not partiicipating. Elizabet does not say to Lady Catherine "why shoudlnt' Mr Darcy marry me, Im just as good as he is", she says "there's no reason why we should not marry, I am a gentelman's daughter, just as he is a gentleman". If she had been a farmer's daughter, she would nto have expected to marry a Mr Darcy....

The Martins AREN'T the same class as the Knightleys or Woodhouses, they are not even "just below" in status. While Mrs Goddard gets invites ot Mr Woodhouse's table, sometimes, teh Martins would not...

Emma's views on teh Martins are nothing remarkable. Nobody would expect a farming family to have teh same social graces or education as a gentry family. Where Emma is wrong is in trying to dissuade Harriet from marryign Robert on the grounds that he's not genteel enough for her and she can hope for a gentleman to marry her....

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The Martins (longish) Nina RG (1/27/2011 2:55 p.m.)

This another reason why I love the group reads... jeffrey (1/27/2011 4:02 p.m.)
- The Martins sound like people most of us would like to AnnetteJ (1/27/2011 5:40 p.m.)
  - Disliking Emma - the reader's dilemma Melinda Mary (1/27/2011 5:53 p.m.)
    - Emma's attitude toward the Martins Anne-Marie (1/27/2011 6:36 p.m.)
      - Exactly on her social level?   Kathleen Glancy (1/28/2011 11:14 a.m.)
        
        My mind   Robbin (1/28/2011 4:15 p.m.)
        
        Match-making poor Mr. Woodhouse   Ramya (1/28/2011 8:57 p.m.)
        
        Mr. Knightley and Miss Taylor   BarbaraB (1/28/2011 11:21 p.m.)
        
        And why isn't Mr.Knightley married yet?   Kathryn Ann (1/29/2011 6:19 p.m.)
        
        Why, vexed? nfm   Stephanie (1/31/2011 2:17 p.m.)
        
        Mr. K and Miss Taylor   Kirk (1/29/2011 11:08 p.m.)
        
        Now that you mention it ...   Sarah Yorkshire (1/30/2011 7:32 a.m.)
        
        Now that you mention it...   Kirk (2/3/2011 12:30 a.m.)
    - You are right about quiting Laurie J (1/27/2011 9:13 p.m.)
      - Encouragement to persevere with Emma and not give up!   jeffrey (1/28/2011 10:38 a.m.)
        
        This is not the first time I have read Emma but I always   AnnetteJ (1/28/2011 11:20 a.m.)
        
        Lol, be patient with Emma.   Patricia AA (1/28/2011 11:07 p.m.)
    - I have often wondered... Reeba (1/28/2011 5:36 a.m.)
    - Appreciating Emma Sarah Yorkshire (1/28/2011 6:54 a.m.)
      - Well, I guess that is one way of looking at her. I have   AnnetteJ (1/28/2011 8:29 a.m.)
        
        Want to add that I do not dislike the character but I   AnnetteJ (1/28/2011 9:15 a.m.)
        
        21st Century Emma   Sarah Yorkshire (1/28/2011 6:10 p.m.)
        
        The word snob didn't even exist then.   Reeba (1/28/2011 6:52 p.m.)
        
        Snob   Bridget D (1/29/2011 4:11 a.m.)
        
        Good point!   Sarah Yorkshire (1/29/2011 4:37 a.m.)
        
        Harriet and Emma   Bridget D (1/29/2011 7:39 a.m.)
        
        Mr Knightley also says Emma is bad for Harriet   kathleen (elder) (1/29/2011 7:47 a.m.)
        
        Harriet's station   Bridget D (1/29/2011 8:02 a.m.)
        
        The book is always available :-)   kathleen (elder) (1/29/2011 8:10 a.m.)
        
        Also linked below the header of this board (nfm)   Myretta (1/29/2011 8:18 a.m.)
        
        I see it differently   Ramya (1/29/2011 9:40 a.m.)
        
        My opinion of Mr Knightley's comment...   Reeba (1/29/2011 11:12 a.m.)
        
        rank and falling   Bridget D (1/29/2011 3:37 p.m.)
        
        Agree   BarbaraB (1/29/2011 7:12 p.m.)
        
        Harriet rising in the ranks   Bridget D (1/30/2011 2:17 a.m.)
        
        Haririet and Mrs Goddards   Bridget D (1/30/2011 4:58 a.m.)
        
        Emma, Class and Mr Knightley   BarbaraB (1/29/2011 11:28 a.m.)
        
        Yet Emma is a Snob by definition   Robbin (1/30/2011 9:57 p.m.)
        
        The concept...   Reeba (1/31/2011 11:00 a.m.)
        
        I cannot accept that   Ramya (1/31/2011 3:15 p.m.)
        
        Sure! :)   Reeba (1/31/2011 3:37 p.m.)
        
        Donwell Road   Robbin (2/1/2011 11:57 a.m.)
        
        Road vs assembly   Reeba (2/1/2011 12:33 p.m.)
        
        Emma and farmers   Bridget D (2/2/2011 7:11 a.m.)
        
        The Farmer and the Nobody   Robbin (2/3/2011 7:10 p.m.)
        
        Which makes [] good manners the more valuable   Stephanie (2/3/2011 3:01 p.m.)
        
        An Indifferent Acquaintance   Robbin (2/3/2011 10:00 p.m.)
        
        Gentled, indeed, I thank you nfm   Stephanie (2/11/2011 9:22 p.m.)
        
        Thanks, Robbin...   gianni (2/14/2011 10:48 p.m.)
        
        Thanks & glad to see you! (:D) nfm   Robbin (2/15/2011 9:51 a.m.)
        
        Miss Taylor is Too Indulgent   Jane Marie (2/15/2011 12:39 p.m.)
        
        Loved so ever indulgently   Miss Barbara (2/18/2011 3:26 p.m.)
        
        Well!...   gianni (2/18/2011 11:24 p.m.)
        
        gentry   Bridget D (2/1/2011 1:13 a.m.)
        
        ashamed of [Harriet] for seeming so pleased and so doubtful   Stephanie (2/1/2011 11:00 a.m.)
        
        Class and the Martins   Bridget D (2/1/2011 1:06 a.m.)
        
        Class & Regard   Robbin (2/1/2011 1:06 p.m.)
        
        Class differences   Ramya (1/28/2011 8:53 p.m.)
        
        For me, the class system of that time and place is   AnnetteJ (1/29/2011 9:40 a.m.)
        
        Rank   Bridget D (1/29/2011 3:27 p.m.)
        
        Emma wrongs the Martins   Robbin (1/28/2011 10:28 p.m.)
      - I like her too Nina RG (1/28/2011 8:36 a.m.)
      - Perhaps that's what... Reeba (1/28/2011 9:10 a.m.)
      - Emma's Behavior BarbaraB (1/28/2011 2:39 p.m.)
The Martins and Emma Bridget D (1/28/2011 7:07 a.m.)
- I agree Nina RG (1/28/2011 8:46 a.m.)
  - Clownish here means ... Reeba (1/28/2011 9:18 a.m.)
  - Harriett and the Martins Bridget D (1/29/2011 2:43 a.m.)
    - Worser and Worser BarbaraB (1/29/2011 10:38 a.m.)
      - Emma's treatment...   Reeba (1/29/2011 11:06 a.m.)
        
        I did not mean to imply necessarily physical interaction...   BarbaraB (1/29/2011 12:05 p.m.)
        
        Treatment   Reeba (1/29/2011 3:15 p.m.)
        
        You Have Peaked My Interest In Harriet   BarbaraB (1/29/2011 7:16 p.m.)
        
        Assertions Emma does not really believe?   Robbin (1/30/2011 3:26 p.m.)
        
        To me, they are out and out lies -- even when   AnnetteJ (1/30/2011 4:08 p.m.)
        
        Emma   Bridget D (1/31/2011 1:22 a.m.)
        
        Not sure I buy that -- what evidence do we have of a   AnnetteJ (1/31/2011 7:20 a.m.)
        
        Downplaying Emma's virtues?   Ramya (1/31/2011 9:03 a.m.)
        
        Anne is my favorite Austen heroine as well. Emma just   AnnetteJ (1/31/2011 11:18 a.m.)
        
        Evidence.   Reeba (1/31/2011 9:08 a.m.)
        
        It's the degree.   Reeba (1/30/2011 4:28 p.m.)
        
        Run the man down   Robbin (1/30/2011 11:03 p.m.)
        
        Not really :)   Reeba (1/31/2011 3:39 a.m.)
        
        very manipulative   Nikki N (1/31/2011 5:46 a.m.)
        
        Manipulation.   Reeba (1/31/2011 9:43 a.m.)
        
        The Unfortunate 'but...'   BarbaraB (1/31/2011 3:14 p.m.)
        
        Actually, I did write....   Reeba (1/31/2011 3:52 p.m.)
        
        Mr. Knightley, a sensible man   Stephanie (1/31/2011 9:07 p.m.)
        
        Man of Information   Robbin (2/3/2011 10:24 p.m.)
        
        Wrongheaded indeed.   Patricia AA (1/30/2011 5:19 p.m.)
        
        Emma   Bridget D (1/31/2011 1:20 a.m.)
        
        Emma and Robert   Bridget D (1/29/2011 3:32 p.m.)
        
        I'll Just Say This...   BarbaraB (1/29/2011 5:49 p.m.)
        
        Harriet and talk   Bridget D (1/30/2011 2:10 a.m.)
        
        A good one. :-D   Reeba (1/30/2011 8:41 a.m.)
        
        Emma's opinion of the Martins   Patricia AA (1/30/2011 9:17 a.m.)
        
        The Martins *were*...   Reeba (1/30/2011 3:24 p.m.)
      - I Agree Patricia AA (1/29/2011 11:58 a.m.)
      - I agree as well! (:D) nfm Robbin (1/30/2011 3:34 p.m.)

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